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[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

I Love Destroy. I have nothing but anger for the Reapers. They have been harvesting, indoctrinating, and murdering for quite possibly millions of years, maybe longer. More than I can count. I stand there on the Citadel at the final moment. I got the Reapers by the balls, so there's no doubt that the Catalyst became desperate at this moment in time. I like to think that the Catalyst took the form of the Child I saw die on Earth as a way of compassion and persuasion. I didn't fall for it. I'm not going to listen to the head honcho of the Reapers at the very last minute, wounded or not.

I just don't want to feel guilty about the loss of EDI and the Geth. I'm trying to explain this without sounded like an a-hole, without people believing that I thought of them as a "necessary" sacrifice/loss. Because I don't. EDI and the Geth were friends. They fought to free the Galaxy from the Reapers and to get rid of the Reapers forever. I hate it when people use them against my opinion for choosing Destroy. I don't hate EDI and the Geth. I like them. I just don't like the Reapers. I hate the Reapers. How does one deal with this?

[Taboo]

You live with it. You can't erase what you've done. No holy man or court of law can remove it. It simply is.

The Geth can be destroyed above Rannoch however.

[Red Panda]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You live with it. You can't erase what you've done. No holy man or court of law can remove it. It simply is.

The Geth can be destroyed above Rannoch however.

It's wrong though. It's unforgiveable, a compromise of who you are.

"I won't let fear compromise who I am." That held up real well, didn't it?

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Again I don't hate the Geth and I don't hate EDI. I still don't want to pick Synthesis and Control because I hate the Reapers. I don't like Refusal either, because that causes everyone to die. And I am not just speaking for My Shepard, but also for myself. I --the player-- personally hate the Reapers.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 avril 2013 - 11:28 .

[NeroonWilliams]

Remember all those speeches about HARD choices throughout the Trilogy? This is finally one where you can't have your cake and eat it too. Precious few of those in the game if you went full Paragon like it sounds like you did.

As an added question, what did your Shepard tell Vega about his promotion after getting his squad killed?  The same principles apply to the ending.

Modifié par NeroonWilliams, 21 avril 2013 - 11:32 .

[MyChemicalBromance]

The Reapers are the only reason that this entire cycle exists the way it does. They're the only reason we weren't enslaved by some group like the Protheans or Leviathans or some other race that evolved before us. Maybe you should be a little more thankful, and acknowledge that there is some grey to them.

[Taboo]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You live with it. You can't erase what you've done. No holy man or court of law can remove it. It simply is.

The Geth can be destroyed above Rannoch however.

It's wrong though. It's unforgiveable, a compromise of who you are.

"I won't let fear compromise who I am." That held up real well, didn't it?

Killing all those Batarians in Arrival was wrong too. But you did it. And fear had nothing to do with my decision. That quote is too abstract to possibly cover all the possibilities. War is not fun, nor is it for idealists. It is a nasty, horrible, fetid cry of despair.

There are no winners in war, there are only victims, victims of men who believe they are right.

Very few things are more insulting than a stoy that pretends life is easy because you try to do the right thing. It isn't realistic, nor is it very clever.

It is horrible. That's the point.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Again I don't hate the Geth and I don't hate EDI. I still don't want to pick Synthesis and Control because I hate the Reapers. I don't like Refusal either, because that causes everyone to die. And I am not just speaking for My Shepard, but also for myself. I --the player-- personally hate the Reapers.

Geth are enemies.Why?Because they shoot you in the face for 3 games.Makes sense?

[NeroonWilliams]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The Reapers are the only reason that this entire cycle exists the way it does. They're the only reason we weren't enslaved by some group like the Protheans or Leviathans or some other race that evolved before us. Maybe you should be a little more thankful, and acknowledge that there is some grey to them.

Excellent point!  Thank you.

[Taboo]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The Reapers are the only reason that this entire cycle exists the way it does. They're the only reason we weren't enslaved by some group like the Protheans or Leviathans or some other race that evolved before us. Maybe you should be a little more thankful, and acknowledge that there is some grey to them.

This has nothing to do with the OP's point. You could have also been killed by a supernova or even better, been destroyed by your own race.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

NeroonWilliams wrote...


As an added question, what did your Shepard tell Vega about his promotion after getting his squad killed?  The same principles apply to the ending.

I don't remember. What did Shepard say for both choices?

[Argolas]

You won't be able to win this war with your honor intact.

The collateral damage is devastating. However, you said how many lives the reapers have destroyed? By ending them, you save even more. Countless unborn generations will not have to go through what this one is going through right now- if you have the guts to end it.

[Reptilian Rob]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The Reapers are the only reason that this entire cycle exists the way it does. They're the only reason we weren't enslaved by some group like the Protheans or Leviathans or some other race that evolved before us. Maybe you should be a little more thankful, and acknowledge that there is some grey to them.

This has no context to the OP...

[Uncle Jo]

Taboo-XX wrote...

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The Reapers are the only reason that this entire cycle exists the way it does. They're the only reason we weren't enslaved by some group like the Protheans or Leviathans or some other race that evolved before us. Maybe you should be a little more thankful, and acknowledge that there is some grey to them.

This has nothing to do with the OP's point. You could have also been killed by a supernova or even better, been destroyed by your own race.

Or by slipping in the stairs. Or by getting biten in the quads by a venomous snake.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Argolas wrote...

You won't be able to win this war with your honor intact.

The collateral damage is devastating. However, you said how many lives the reapers have destroyed? By ending them, you save even more. Countless unborn generations will not have to go through what this one is going through right now- if you have the guts to end it.

You're basically saying that you don't come out without scars and loss? I hate the Reapes. I had to save as many lives as I could. I didn't want to fall (Mentally) at the last moment when everything was hanging at the balance between life and death. Enough, was enough.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 21 avril 2013 - 11:54 .

[themikefest]

Don't feel guilty about the loss of the robots. Look how many people are saved with the reapers dead.
Be strong and live with it. Adapt and overcome.

[Uncle Jo]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You're basically saying that you don't come out without scars and loss? I hate the Reapes. I had to save as many lives as I could. I didn't want to fall at the last moment when everything was hanging at the balance between life and death. Enough, was enough.

If you can't deal with the fact that EDI and the Geth are goners in the red ending, just headcanon that they can be rebuilt. A lot of people do it. Or pick another color. Or install MEHEM.

[OdanUrr]

Taboo-XX wrote...

You live with it.

Pretty much this.

[Argolas]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

You won't be able to win this war with your honor intact.

The collateral damage is devastating. However, you said how many lives the reapers have destroyed? By ending them, you save even more. Countless unborn generations will not have to go through what this one is going through right now- if you have the guts to end it.

You're basically saying that you don't come out without scars and loss. I had to save as many lives as I could. Enough, was enough.

Yes, it's good to save as many as you can. But some things just need to be done.

You didn't decide to sacrifice the Geth and Edi. It was the dictated condition, just like the Batarian colony one sacrifices in Arrival. Did Shepard decide to sacrifice 300,000 Batarians to delay the reapers? No. Shepard saw that he/she had to delay the reapers and that's it, the 300,000 Batarians can't be considered in that case. The same is true for the ending.

Cold logic doesn't help much against guilt, but the reapers had to go.

[MyChemicalBromance]

MyChemicalBromance wrote...

The Reapers are the only reason that this entire cycle exists the way it does. They're the only reason we weren't enslaved by some group like the Protheans or Leviathans or some other race that evolved before us. Maybe you should be a little more thankful, and acknowledge that there is some grey to them.

Taboo-XX wrote...
This has nothing to do with the OP's point. You could have also been killed by a supernova or even better, been destroyed by your own race.

Reptilian Rob wrote...

This has no context to the OP...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I have nothing but anger for the Reapers. They have been harvesting, indoctrinating, and murdering for quite possibly millions of years, maybe longer.

kk

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

Uncle Jo wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

You're basically saying that you don't come out without scars and loss? I hate the Reapes. I had to save as many lives as I could. I didn't want to fall at the last moment when everything was hanging at the balance between life and death. Enough, was enough.

If you can't deal with the fact that EDI and the Geth are goners in the red ending, just headcanon that they can be rebuilt. A lot of people do it. Or pick another color. Or install MEHEM.

I mean, they could have found a way. If there was that much at stake, EDI and the Geth would have found a way in case of deactivation. What if they made a Back-Up System, to bring them back? AI in a time period like Mass Effect would have had some capabilities like this.

Modifié par MASSEFFECTfanforlife101, 22 avril 2013 - 12:10 .

[adayaday]

You can head canon synthetics surviving the red beam,the brat was wrong about shepard getting himself killed in destroy after all.
or just get MEHEM.

[Phatose]

Then you're left wondering whether the Reapers did that too.

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

adayaday wrote...

You can head canon synthetics surviving the red beam,the brat was wrong about shepard getting himself killed in destroy after all.
or just get MEHEM.

1) EDI's name is on the Wall, so you can't ignore that.

2) I have the Trilogy on the PS3 now. I do not want to go back to the PC.

[Aaleel]

"Saving everyone only happens in vids. There will be sacrifices, and being in command means making sure they lead to the greater objective. That's a reality for all soldiers, in command and on the ground"

Shepard's own words, and pretty much my Shepard's mindset at the end. Does Shepard regret the loss of the Geth and EDI, of course. Was it in Shepard's mind the only way to guarantee with certainty that not one more life would be lost due to the reapers illogical and idiotic solution, YES.

Modifié par Aaleel, 22 avril 2013 - 12:19 .