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[Exeider]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I Love Destroy. I have nothing but anger for the Reapers. They have been harvesting, indoctrinating, and murdering for quite possibly millions of years, maybe longer. More than I can count. I stand there on the Citadel at the final moment. I got the Reapers by the balls, so there's no doubt that the Catalyst became desperate at this moment in time. I like to think that the Catalyst took the form of the Child I saw die on Earth as a way of compassion and persuasion. I didn't fall for it. I'm not going to listen to the head honcho of the Reapers at the very last minute, wounded or not.

I just don't want to feel guilty about the loss of EDI and the Geth. I'm trying to explain this without sounded like an a-hole, without people believing that I thought of them as a "necessary" sacrifice/loss. Because I don't. EDI and the Geth were friends. They fought to free the Galaxy from the Reapers and to get rid of the Reapers forever. I hate it when people use them against my opinion for choosing Destroy. I don't hate EDI and the Geth. I like them. I just don't like the Reapers. I hate the Reapers. How does one deal with this?

don't you dare feel guilty about the false descision that you have been put in, place the blame and the guilt squarely where it belongs, Bioware, and damn them for putting you in this situation.

But fear not, there is a concerted effort to replace their reality with our own, and the timeline will be rewritten anyway.

-AE

[Wayning_Star]

Fandango9641 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...


What's baffling about it?

I can see how an incoherent set of principles could result in someone not being able to honor all of them simultaneously, but that's a problem with the principles themselves.

It's baffling because I can't make sense of it.

No circumstance can force anyone to sacrifice their principles. All anyone can ever do is the best they can with what they have available.

No, no that's just nonsense. As for incoherent (or inconsistent) principles, I would say that its the ending to ME3, in abandoning the axioms of compassion, heroism, respect and solidarity, that fails that particular test, not those who are calling for an ending in keeping with our overall experience across three games.

altering reality to more fictionalize fiction? ok...

[Wayning_Star]

Exeider wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

I Love Destroy. I have nothing but anger for the Reapers. They have been harvesting, indoctrinating, and murdering for quite possibly millions of years, maybe longer. More than I can count. I stand there on the Citadel at the final moment. I got the Reapers by the balls, so there's no doubt that the Catalyst became desperate at this moment in time. I like to think that the Catalyst took the form of the Child I saw die on Earth as a way of compassion and persuasion. I didn't fall for it. I'm not going to listen to the head honcho of the Reapers at the very last minute, wounded or not.

I just don't want to feel guilty about the loss of EDI and the Geth. I'm trying to explain this without sounded like an a-hole, without people believing that I thought of them as a "necessary" sacrifice/loss. Because I don't. EDI and the Geth were friends. They fought to free the Galaxy from the Reapers and to get rid of the Reapers forever. I hate it when people use them against my opinion for choosing Destroy. I don't hate EDI and the Geth. I like them. I just don't like the Reapers. I hate the Reapers. How does one deal with this?

don't you dare feel guilty about the false descision that you have been put in, place the blame and the guilt squarely where it belongs, Bioware, and damn them for putting you in this situation.

But fear not, there is a concerted effort to replace their reality with our own, and the timeline will be rewritten anyway.

-AE

don't you just hate it when the indoctrination doesn't quite hold true to expectation/demands,etc..lol

[AlanC9]

Fandango9641 wrote...
It's baffling because I can't make sense of it. 

No circumstance can force anyone to sacrifice their principles. All anyone can ever do is the best they can with what they have available.

No, no that's just nonsense.

Can you maybe give me an example of a situation forcing someone to sacrifice his principles? Right now I have no idea what you are talking about 

As for incoherent (or inconsistent) principles, I would say that its the ending to ME3, in abandoning the axioms of compassion, heroism, respect and solidarity, that fails that particular test, not those who are calling for an ending in keeping with our overall experience across three games.

Wait... you want to talk artistic consistency instead of morality? Or were you talking about that the whole time?

[BattleCop88]

I agree op. It's the only reason why I picked green. There's nothing we can do about it. Casey and Mac wanted the ending to be dark, edgy, and hipstery, so voila!

[MASSEFFECTfanforlife101]

BattleCop88 wrote...

I agree op. It's the only reason why I picked green. There's nothing we can do about it. Casey and Mac wanted the ending to be dark, edgy, and hipstery, so voila!

Wait....what? No! I don't what to choose Synthesis!

[AlanC9]

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Wait....what? No! I don't what to choose Synthesis!

Then don't.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

AlanC9 wrote...

MASSEFFECTfanforlife101 wrote...

Wait....what? No! I don't what to choose Synthesis!

Then don't.

This.

For the love of the dark gods man grow a spine!

[SpamBot2000]

It's strange though... you "got the Reapers by the balls" how exactly? They are merrily killing stuff outside the Citadel, and you're passed out. The Reaper King wakes you up and takes you to the Decision Fork to pick one of his choices. And if you don't pick, he just goes "SO BE IT" and kills everyone anyway. So... apparently giving you those choices was entirely voluntary on the part of the Reapers. Doesn't really suggest a Death Grip on the balls.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 24 avril 2013 - 08:42 .

[omegamantis113]

The Reapers are actually the victims too. They used to be my most hated enemy in all of gaming. You can't fault them for following logic without any emotion. The lack of morals and ethics were not taken into account when the catalyst was tasked to solve the problem.

The Reapers are the classic case of be careful what you wish for. How that wish comes true may back to bite you.

The catalysts give you a chance to make this right for both sides. Picking destroy is like smashing your calculator because you don't like the answer it gave you even though you were at fault.

[Steppenwolf]

omegamantis113 wrote...

The Reapers are actually the victims too. They used to be my most hated enemy in all of gaming. You can't fault them for following logic without any emotion.

What's logical about what the Reapers do? They eradicate life to preserve it? That makes ZERO sense and is the definition of illogical.

[omegamantis113]

BasilKarlo wrote...

omegamantis113 wrote...

The Reapers are actually the victims too. They used to be my most hated enemy in all of gaming. You can't fault them for following logic without any emotion.

What's logical about what the Reapers do? They eradicate life to preserve it? That makes ZERO sense and is the definition of illogical.

Death is a part of life. 

Reapers don't eradicate all life. Reapers harvest advanced civilizations to make room for the younger ones. We can see this in our own agricultural practices. 

The further and more advanced a civilization gets the closer they come to creating a synthetic threat too great for the galaxy to handle. The Catalyst's task is to prevent this from occurring.   

The other alternative is to completely keep organics from ever developing technology. A perpetual stone age if you will.

[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

It's strange though... you "got the Reapers by the balls" how exactly? They are merrily killing stuff outside the Citadel, and you're passed out. The Reaper King wakes you up and takes you to the Decision Fork to pick one of his choices. And if you don't pick, he just goes "SO BE IT" and kills everyone anyway. So... apparently giving you those choices was entirely voluntary on the part of the Reapers. Doesn't really suggest a Death Grip on the balls.

No, this doesn't work. The Reapers, at least, are violently opposed to using the Crucible. If you don't have enough military war assets they'll disable Synthesis, at least. (You may be able to get enough EMS on just science and engineering points to get a second option; I haven't run those numbers..) Wait long enough and they'll blow the thing up.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

It's strange though... you "got the Reapers by the balls" how exactly? They are merrily killing stuff outside the Citadel, and you're passed out. The Reaper King wakes you up and takes you to the Decision Fork to pick one of his choices. And if you don't pick, he just goes "SO BE IT" and kills everyone anyway. So... apparently giving you those choices was entirely voluntary on the part of the Reapers. Doesn't really suggest a Death Grip on the balls.

No, this doesn't work. The Reapers, at least, are violently opposed to using the Crucible. If you don't have enough military war assets they'll disable Synthesis, at least. (You may be able to get enough EMS on just science and engineering points to get a second option; I haven't run those numbers..) Wait long enough and they'll blow the thing up.

"I control the Reapers.  They are my solution"

Guess the Catalyst is violently opposed to the Crucible, even after explaining everything to Shepard including how Synthesis is so totally awesome and the old solution won't work anymore

Before blowing up the Crucible if you take too long 

Dissonance, anyone? 

[AlanC9]

Yep. Crazy AI is crazy.

[Mangalores]

iakus wrote...

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Dissonance, anyone? 

He's mad as a hatter swinging between assisted suicide, unrestrained aggression and delusion.

One would assume that if this immortal AI finds this cycle sabotaging his solution and the Crucible opening new ones, that he'd stop his solution, kick Shepard off the boat, calculate his options and then take his best one instead of giving some half dead organic the options. Yes, that is the typical salvation story but it makes no sense for turing machines to behave that way. In doubt they know random number generators just like throwing dice to make stuff up. They don't need some human to do that for them, most likely screwing up and smearing blood all over the consoles.

Modifié par Mangalores, 24 avril 2013 - 09:34 .

[Xamufam]

http://social.biowar...1390/3#16624681

Modifié par Troxa, 23 juin 2013 - 08:06 .

[KaiserShep]

omegamantis113 wrote...

The Reapers are actually the victims too. They used to be my most hated enemy in all of gaming. You can't fault them for following logic without any emotion. The lack of morals and ethics were not taken into account when the catalyst was tasked to solve the problem.

The Reapers are the classic case of be careful what you wish for. How that wish comes true may back to bite you.

The catalysts give you a chance to make this right for both sides. Picking destroy is like smashing your calculator because you don't like the answer it gave you even though you were at fault.

There's no indication that the reapers are actually victims, but I can say with absolute certainty that it wouldn't matter. Even if I was given full account of the reapers' simply responding to some wrong committed on them eons ago, I would simply act to ensure that they are victimized one last time, for all time. Their lack of emotion (thus lack of empathy), compounded with the considerable threat they represent gives an even stronger case to exterminate them in one fell swoop, and leave the rest to chance. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 02 mai 2013 - 09:58 .

[kobayashi-maru]

The way I look at it destroy is only option for a number of reasons. Yes EDI and Geth dying is horrible but the other endings leave the husks/Brutes/Banshee's alive. The huskified woman on Sanctuary solidify it for me. Imagine - especially with Synthesis - those people suddenly regaining sentience or there families having to go through that horror. I don't like idea of huge number of huskified lifeforms committing suicide all over the place, with the unimaginable horror visited on there families who are psychologically damaged enough from the war.

This assumes Destroy actually offers the humane option of them dying when beam destroys Reaper tech.