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Bizinha wrote...

 The  ME3's ending has made me kind of depressed, for third time. I know... it's just a video-game but it's so awful, so sad... so baaad.I played other games with sad ending, but I not feel so bad like feel with ME3.Anyone else feel this way?


It does, even if you let the Quarians take care of the geth problem. I somehow managed 12 play throughs of ME1 and ME2 and only 3 of ME3. The third one of ME3 was to go through the EC.

So stop your game after you shoot The Illusive Man.... and here's your ending. Version 0.4 will be out in July with new music, and some updated scenes. Someone is working on a way to make it available for the consoles.

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Eain wrote...

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Isn't that what happens? Galaxy builds Crucible, galaxy deploys Crucible, Shepard uses Crucible.... victory follows.


No, what happens is that Galaxy build Crucible, deploy it, then the Reapers tell Shepard to use it and trust that it does what they tell him. And Shepard plays along.


And then the galaxy wins.

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AlanC9 wrote...

Eain wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...
Isn't that what happens? Galaxy builds Crucible, galaxy deploys Crucible, Shepard uses Crucible.... victory follows.


No, what happens is that Galaxy build Crucible, deploy it, then the Reapers tell Shepard to use it and trust that it does what they tell him. And Shepard plays along.


And then the galaxy wins.


See, the thing is though, it just doesn't feel like a victory. I don't feel like I overcame the Reapers. I don't feel like uniting the galaxy against them was anything other than a time waster to the Catalysts choice and his problem with robots.

From a literal standpoint, you're right, I just despise how it was accomplished and why it was accomplished.

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This was my reaction on March 22, 2012 at 3:20 am when I blew up the galaxy.....

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This was my reaction on March 22, 2012 at 3:20 am when I blew up the galaxy.....


That was my reaction on March 9, 2012 at 0438. I had no effing clue what was going on - I just stepped into the Synthesis beam with literally no clue. I was in stunned shock for 4 whole days. I couldn't eat, and I barely remembered to drink. I was completely numb. 

That's when the anger and pain started to set in.

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Depression because of a video game is always something that makes me feel horrible for how abused the term depression is.

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Hey. I would suggest you turn off your PS3 right after Shep says hello to Mr. Shields, go to youtube an watch the MEHEM. Pretend that's your ending. You'll feel better. It's a shame you can't use mods. That's why I ditched console gaming years ago.

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This was my reaction on March 22, 2012 at 3:20 am when I blew up the galaxy.....


Haha, I remember that.

Mein Fuhrer, your choices actually do matter!
What, so I can pick the f*cking COLOR of the end screen!?

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Depression because of a video game is always something that makes me feel horrible for how abused the term depression is.


Feeling blue lasts for three or four days. Depression lasts for months. I know the difference, trust me. Depression saps your energy and creativity. I didn't produce anything noteworthy until November 2012.

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Maybe after the original ending.

After the EC, not at all. Reapers are dead as well as the Geth, all races united, Shepard and the crew lives, Edi is repaired (in my headcanon) and Shepard can live with Tali'Zorah happily ever after.

Couldn't ask for much more...:wizard:

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After EC less but verry dissapointed after installing MEHEM not at all.

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S.A.K wrote...

Maybe after the original ending.

After the EC, not at all. Reapers are dead as well as the Geth, all races united, Shepard and the crew lives, Edi is repaired (in my headcanon) and Shepard can live with Tali'Zorah happily ever after.

Couldn't ask for much more...:wizard:


Wait what? After EC? Isn't that MEHEM?

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Depression because of a video game is always something that makes me feel horrible for how abused the term depression is.


I dont know , maybe sad and empty... no cry, I felt that I should never have bought the series, for a moment.

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Bizinha wrote...

 The  ME3's ending has made me kind of depressed, for third time. I know... it's just a video-game but it's so awful, so sad... so baaad.I played other games with sad ending, but I not feel so bad like feel with ME3.Anyone else feel this way?


That's quite truthfully what this has all been about.  ME3's ending is not uplifting.  It was not when the original endings were released so they created more content to make it supposedly apparent that the relays didn't explode and destroy the galaxy.  The slides are supposed to make you feel happy that you did a good thing.  They don't do that at all-they're super silly and out of line with what just happened.  Shepard didn't win a war.  S/he temporarily stopped some bleeding, but unequivocal good was not achieved.

The kid and reapers see Shepard as a threat, so it's wonderful that Shepard can make choices that allow him/her to commit suicide.  It's also great to solve Leviathan's problem.  That's really what the story was all about after all.

There's nothing to cheer about after playing the game and nothing intellectual or inspiring.  I've seen, read, played plenty of sad things before and you can create something that inspires even in sadness.  But this was a story that called for a variety of endings and not just 3 or 4 versions of depressing that's glossed over to try and make it seem happy.

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Depression because of a video game is always something that makes me feel horrible for how abused the term depression is.


Feeling blue lasts for three or four days. Depression lasts for months. I know the difference, trust me. Depression saps your energy and creativity. I didn't produce anything noteworthy until November 2012.

Yep.

People have used the term depressing for a very long time, even before the real disease Depression was understood.  The term for long-term chronic depression used to be Malaise or even thought of as malingering.  Saying that something is sad and thus depressing is understood as not the same thing as the debilitating and dangerous term, Depression.  That big D Depression runs in my family and it's crippling and can lead to suicide (something that also happened in my family), and yet I will use the term depressing to describe these endings.  They are.  They may not lead to illness and so on, but they certainly are demented and bitter and demoralizing.  They almost define depressing.

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That's quite truthfully what this has all been about. ME3's ending is not uplifting. It was not when the original endings were released so they created more content to make it supposedly apparent that the relays didn't explode and destroy the galaxy. The slides are supposed to make you feel happy that you did a good thing. They don't do that at all-they're super silly and out of line with what just happened. Shepard didn't win a war. S/he temporarily stopped some bleeding, but unequivocal good was not achieved.

"Unequivocal good" would be resurrecting all of the dead, which was never an option. All we can ever do in war is damage control. Stopping the war, stopping any more killing, seems quite uplifting enough for my tastes.

There's nothing to cheer about after playing the game and nothing intellectual or inspiring. I've seen, read, played plenty of sad things before and you can create something that inspires even in sadness. But this was a story that called for a variety of endings and not just 3 or 4 versions of depressing that's glossed over to try and make it seem happy.

How? It seems far more like you're determined to see depression in this and refusing to see the actual good that came of it.

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After EC less but verry dissapointed after installing MEHEM not at all.


Yes.  Too bad that's only for PC (I have it).  And sad that BW couldn't release their own simple version of it based upon how much better a whole lot of people like it, for consoles.  They wouldn't have to really re-do anything they have but could smooth over the rough edges of MEHEM, add dialogue they surely have from things they cut out of the games and it could be done fairly easily for them.  More easily than for those who created MEHEM and MEHEM provides the roadmap.

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I've gotten over it now, but I must confess after my first PT--pre EC--I had no desire to play any video games for almost a month.

No desire, in fact almost repulsed by the very idea. It was a very weird experience for me.

The game was bleak. Which I expected. I also expected Shep would die. I just thought that the moments after the Crucible fired would be more...fleshed out, if you will. And give me the feeling that Shep's sacrifice was worth it.

I just never got that particular feeling. I think that part was a bit too abrupt of a conclusion. The EC helped. I wish it had been in the original game. Something akin to it anyway.

Ah, well. What's done is done at this point.

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

Depression because of a video game is always something that makes me feel horrible for how abused the term depression is.


Did you read the post above yours? Assuming that's a truthful post and not just melodrama, depression seems like a pretty good word for it. Maybe people shouldn't use "depression " that way, but I don't think there's any chance of confining the word to only its clinical meaning. (Edit: My understanding of the etymology is that the clinical use came after the colloquial use)

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Xilizhra wrote...

That's quite truthfully what this has all been about. ME3's ending is not uplifting. It was not when the original endings were released so they created more content to make it supposedly apparent that the relays didn't explode and destroy the galaxy. The slides are supposed to make you feel happy that you did a good thing. They don't do that at all-they're super silly and out of line with what just happened. Shepard didn't win a war. S/he temporarily stopped some bleeding, but unequivocal good was not achieved.

"Unequivocal good" would be resurrecting all of the dead, which was never an option. All we can ever do in war is damage control. Stopping the war, stopping any more killing, seems quite uplifting enough for my tastes.

There's nothing to cheer about after playing the game and nothing intellectual or inspiring. I've seen, read, played plenty of sad things before and you can create something that inspires even in sadness. But this was a story that called for a variety of endings and not just 3 or 4 versions of depressing that's glossed over to try and make it seem happy.

How? It seems far more like you're determined to see depression in this and refusing to see the actual good that came of it.


No, unequivocal good doesn't mean that.  It means that going forward what has been done is a known good and not some version of the lesser of 3 (4) bad decisions that do harm each in their own way.

As to your second point, I'm sorry but I can't see good that came of it nor can I see that the slides and cutscenes are reflective or true to what has just been done.

Each of the choices ultimately leads to real discernable problems and require a suspension of disbelief that can't exist if explored.  Sure, people ignore the problems and then see only the supposedly defined good things that have been done, but that doesn't make it all work that way.

Synthesis-seems good, right.  Everyone gets along and are super happy.  Forget that it's just magically applied.  Organics have tech fully integrated within their DNA (the cutscene sort of shows that)-well, ever see a commercial for how tech inside people tends to go bad and lawyers are now suing for the internal damage done?  And what does the tech do?  No idea.  So, what's it for?  No idea.  EDI says some things that make no sense.  She's alive.  Well, what?  She already was or so she said to me, but Synthetics are not changed so why is she now alive?  Synthetics get full understanding of a now dead race-organics no longer exist so synthetics now understand them-why?  And that makes EDI alive?  Uh, she was alive because of her relationship to people she came to actually care about and want to protect and exist with.  So, the idea that synthesis makes her alive is ludicrous and makes all that she did before somewhat meaningless. 

And "we may even transcend mortality"-uh "we", we who?  Synthetics are immortal.  The game says so.  So does she mean the hybrid organics?  Immortal breeding Krogan and Rachni-that's a problem.  Also, just because organic life no longer exists does not mean it will never exist again.  And just because synthetics understand the organics that no longer exist, does not mean there won't be conflict.  Never mind that it is an assault upon everyone's body without prior consent and against the wishes of some who never wanted any kind of tech inside of them.

Control-Ok, Shepard takes control and is turned into bits and bytes of data that is uploaded into the reaper consciousness and is not alone within the voice that narrates the cutscene.  The Shepard I knew no longer exists and says things Shepard would not say.  She says she needed to become something greater.  Not in my game-she wanted everyone else to become something greater and worked to make it so.  She wanted people to be responsible for their own lives and even to be alive.  She didn't think anyone should be their caretaker.  Shepard takes control and what, everyone just automatically knows that the reapers are now their friends, and they would like that?  That is so ludicrous.  In the real world people, a lot of people that Shepard knows, would not be satisfied nor happy with reapers with people goo in them, and reaper variants running around fixing things and policing the galaxy.  Talk about conflict.  And which Many will Shreaper help or kill when conflict breaks out?  This is also just as culturally and intellectually stagnating as synthesis is, because if the reapers fix things and exist as nightmares to many, then a real depression may take hold, a real crippling one.  The reapers exist and trillions of people do not because of them.  I can't help but see this as horrifying.

Destroy-Well, the only thing known for sure about this is that EDI and the reapers die.  The whole explanation for this is so ambiguous that the only thing I'd think Shepard could say to it is "WHAT?"  All Synthetics will be targeted.  Even you are part synthetic.  Ok, what does that mean?  All of the tech upon which you rely will be damaged.  Ok, what does that mean?  Synthetic people and parts inside organics are tech, so what happens to people with tech in them and what happens to all synthetic creations-AI, VI, or any other non-I?  Don't know.  The Migrant Fleet is tech and the suits that the quarians rely on are tech-the help of the geth (if the problem works out that way in your game) with the quarian suits is tech.  Seems to be an issue if all tech is damaged.  There will be losses but no more than have already occurred.  Ok really seriously WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?  If EDI dies that's another loss.  If people die because the tech inside them acts like a pacemaker that can't keep a beat, then those are losses.  So, the kid is a total prophet because he knows that the tech that's damaged won't cause losses.  Yeah, right.  Call me silly but this is depressing.

Refuse-Great speech.  Finally, a chance to try and fight the monsters.  But nooooooooo.  Game over, idiot.  Yeah, that's depressing.

I said unequivocal good for a reason.  That means that it is a known good that outweighs the bad, like some chemotherapy.  The idea of it is you know it can do harm and recognize that, but it is meant to do good, meant to help.  Going into it, the risks are obvious and discussed and debated and understood.  The scale tips in its favor based upon a true understanding of it, so the good it can do is unequivocal at that point.  The known good outweighs the known bad and yet even with beneficial chemotherapy, the results can be depressing.  But the risks are understood.  I'd run from any doctor that tries to promote slides of only happy after effects such as those we are shown for the choices made in ME3's ending.  The only bad effects that are really outlined in the discussion the kid and Shepard have is based upon the kid's view of whether the "conflict" will or will not return.  That makes the choices subservient to the kid's and leviathan's problem more than anything else.  And that is depressing because that was never Shepard's problem.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

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After EC less but verry dissapointed after installing MEHEM not at all.


Yes.  Too bad that's only for PC (I have it).  And sad that BW couldn't release their own simple version of it based upon how much better a whole lot of people like it, for consoles.  They wouldn't have to really re-do anything they have but could smooth over the rough edges of MEHEM, add dialogue they surely have from things they cut out of the games and it could be done fairly easily for them.  More easily than for those who created MEHEM and MEHEM provides the roadmap.


I hear you! For a company like BW daopt the MEHEM would be easy and cheap. So every one could enyoj the artistic MEHEM Image IPB

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Control-Ok, Shepard takes control and is turned into bits and bytes of data that is uploaded into the reaper consciousness and is not alone within the voice that narrates the cutscene. The Shepard I knew no longer exists and says things Shepard would not say. She says she needed to become something greater. Not in my game-she wanted everyone else to become something greater and worked to make it so. She wanted people to be responsible for their own lives and even to be alive. She didn't think anyone should be their caretaker. Shepard takes control and what, everyone just automatically knows that the reapers are now their friends, and they would like that? That is so ludicrous. In the real world people, a lot of people that Shepard knows, would not be satisfied nor happy with reapers with people goo in them, and reaper variants running around fixing things and policing the galaxy. Talk about conflict. And which Many will Shreaper help or kill when conflict breaks out? This is also just as culturally and intellectually stagnating as synthesis is, because if the reapers fix things and exist as nightmares to many, then a real depression may take hold, a real crippling one. The reapers exist and trillions of people do not because of them. I can't help but see this as horrifying.

Will there be people upset because the Reapers aren't all gone? To be sure. But it's a far lesser problem than the one we just had, in addition to being one far lesser than Destroy's mass murder. Additionally, if you have the means to help and heal as one does when controlling the Reapers, it's irresponsible and negligent to not use it for that.

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MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This was my reaction on March 22, 2012 at 3:20 am when I blew up the galaxy.....


That was my reaction on March 9, 2012 at 0438. I had no effing clue what was going on - I just stepped into the Synthesis beam with literally no clue. I was in stunned shock for 4 whole days. I couldn't eat, and I barely remembered to drink. I was completely numb. 

That's when the anger and pain started to set in.


Yeah, I've no doubt that was the reaction (the video) a lot of people had to the endings and the EC just puts makeup on it all.  When I first finished it, I picked destroy and thought I'd made some mistake in the game because the ending was so bad.  And I got the torso breath scene.  It was then that I consulted the internet to try and find out what I did wrong and I found out I had the "best" ending because Shepard lives.  Well nothing I saw said that made any sense.  I disliked all the choices and nothing has changed my mind on that.  They added things that didn't really so much address the sense of it all as they did appeal to the feelings of some.  But there's no win type feeling and the happy feelings that slides are supposed to create just aren't there because the slides are not fitting to what just happened.

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 Image IPB
Something to make you smile

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Why don't we let this matter die already?

Modifié par steph285, 22 avril 2013 - 07:10 .