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[Tallgeese_VII]

Ziegrif wrote...

BattleCop88 wrote...

OniTYME wrote...

For the 1,550th time Smash animation can be CANCELLED with the power still activating. How many times are you pyjaks gonna whine about "long animation frames" before getting this through your thick heads? Am I the damn invisible man? You can use Smash and roll or attack litterally as soon as the Phoenix raises his arms. Its quicker than Lash.

So you're telling me that I can cancel smash with a heavy melee for the full smash damage?

I believe so yes.
Also Dodging should work.

Smash -> left roll -> right roll -> left roll = extreme survivability followed by BC.

[Knockingbr4in]

I don't understand people defending the Cabal? Mobility is the only thing the character has. That alone doesn't make a character good.

edit: typo

Modifié par Knockingbr4in, 23 avril 2013 - 05:17 .

[WaffleCrab]

Cdr. John Shepard, he never plays the multiplayer.

[DHKany]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

I don't understand people defending the Cabal? Mobility is the only thing the character has. That alone doesn't make a character good.

edit: typo

she does have the turian passives, but  I do agree that she is a meh character. 

[billy the squid]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

I don't understand people defending the Cabal? Mobility is the only thing the character has. That alone doesn't make a character good.

edit: typo

It's not just the mobility, I only go 3/4 ranks into PS. It's a get out of jail free card, get backed into a corner, jumping 16m through enemies and getting out of a corner is useful, or through a wall. Nightshade blades  for damage and BF is a really good ability, combined with her passives. Good kit, I agree it's not top tier like the Drell, Asari, Kroguard and Slayer. But, it's not hamstrung off host like other vanguards.

And giving a Phantom a face full of poisoned blades on Platinum and watching them faceplant, paralysed, is funny as hell.

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 avril 2013 - 06:10 .

[Knockingbr4in]

NSBs are limiting in application and limited, so in the end you still have to rely mostly on your weapon to bring stuff down. Coupled with her mobility she works, but it's all sorts of meh..

Advanced Shrubbery is the only way I really like how to use her..

[legion9511]

For me it has to be cabal, just can't get it to work on gold and higher difficulties.

I have soloed gold with a lot of kits but can't get this one to work. Just depressing:-(

[RoundedPlanet88]

Cyonan wrote...

Phoenix Vanguard.

I don't really consider him to be terrible, I just think that every other Vanguard is better. There's nothing he's really good at the another Vanguard doesn't do better or the Phoenix Adept can't just do himself.

Yeah, this.
He just feels so Squishy, mostly I think because of his long, long animations, and of course the conventional charge issues off-host.

[David_Lobster]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

I don't understand people defending the Cabal? Mobility is the only thing the character has. That alone doesn't make a character good.

edit: typo

Mobility, best weapon passives in the game, awesome mele, great survivability with biotic focus, decent crowd control with the poison blades...

The character is at her best when combining all these aspects, focusing on only one type of playstyle will give mediocre results.

[sobit]

Worst? lets see...
most boring: Kroguard
most hated: Volus
weakest: Volus
least utility: Volus

Yeah I hate those f*ckers.

And don't tell me I am wrong. The OP asks for my opinion and I stated my opinion correctly.

You can however tell me that you disagree with my views and try to show me that Volus are undeserving of my disclination, to which I will first of all respond by kindly asking you to go f*ck yourself and then remind you of the fact that DPS is royal.

thank you.

[Tallgeese_VII]

RoundedPlanet88 wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Phoenix Vanguard.

I don't really consider him to be terrible, I just think that every other Vanguard is better. There's nothing he's really good at the another Vanguard doesn't do better or the Phoenix Adept can't just do himself.

Yeah, this.
He just feels so Squishy, mostly I think because of his long, long animations, and of course the conventional charge issues off-host.

Poop.
And the cycle goes on.

[Knockingbr4in]

David_Lobster wrote...

Mobility, best weapon passives in the game, awesome mele, great survivability with biotic focus, decent crowd control with the poison blades...

The character is at her best when combining all these aspects, focusing on only one type of playstyle will give mediocre results.

No sh!t, tell me about that.

Btw, how do you make her melee work? I tried it, enemies would melee me through the stagger my melee is supposed to do every single time, even when I was meleeing them through walls with the help of the Geth Scanner.

[billy the squid]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

NSBs are limiting in application and limited, so in the end you still have to rely mostly on your weapon to bring stuff down. Coupled with her mobility she works, but it's all sorts of meh..

Advanced Shrubbery is the only way I really like how to use her..

I agree NSB are limited in application compared to PD, Lift and Cluster grenades, but limited? As in number, the same can be said for the latter two. And with 6 thermal clips and grenade gear 5 you should have 7 at least, more than enough. They also don't have the same damage potential and area of effect as the others. It's one reason why she's not a top tier kit, her powers can't dish out the same lvl of damage compare to the others. 

I don't see that relying on one's weapons is a bad thing, considering every other Vanguard is largely a power build, or we'd have another Vanguard kit, which didn't really do anything different from the others by this stage in the game. 

Key problem with the Phoenixguard really, it relies on powers, potentially does a lot of damage, but the other vanguards do it better, and with less risk and greater speed. I prefer the Cabal, relying on weapons than becoming another Phoenix style, meh, power user.

[Tallgeese_VII]

billy the squid wrote...

Knockingbr4in wrote...

NSBs are limiting in application and limited, so in the end you still have to rely mostly on your weapon to bring stuff down. Coupled with her mobility she works, but it's all sorts of meh..

Advanced Shrubbery is the only way I really like how to use her..

I agree NSB are limited in application compared to PD, Lift and Cluster grenades, but limited? As in number, the same can be said for the latter two. And with 6 thermal clips and grenade gear 5 you should have 7 at least, more than enough. They also don't have the same damage potential and area of effect as the others. It's one reason why she's not a top tier kit, her powers can't dish out the same lvl of damage compare to the others. 

I don't see that relying on one's weapons is a bad thing, considering every other Vanguard is largely a power build, or we'd have another Vanguard kit, which didn't really do anything different from the others by this stage in the game. 

Key problem with the Phoenixguard really, it relies on powers, potentially does a lot of damage, but the other vanguards do it better, and with less risk and greater speed. I prefer the Cabal, relying on weapons than becoming another Phoenix style, meh, power user.

Other Vanguards doing what better than Phoenix Vanguard?
I don`t get it.

[Knockingbr4in]

billy the squid wrote...

I agree NSB are limited in application compared to PD, Lift and Cluster grenades, but limited? As in number, the same can be said for the latter two. And with 6 thermal clips and grenade gear 5 you should have 7 at least, more than enough. They also don't have the same damage potential and area of effect as the others. It's one reason why she's not a top tier kit, her powers can't dish out the same lvl of damage compare to the others. 

I don't see that relying on one's weapons is a bad thing, considering every other Vanguard is largely a power build, or we'd have another Vanguard kit, which didn't really do anything different from the others by this stage in the game. 

Key problem with the Phoenixguard really, it relies on powers, potentially does a lot of damage, but the other vanguards do it better, and with less risk and greater speed. I prefer the Cabal, relying on weapons than becoming another Phoenix style, meh, power user.

Assuming Grenade gear, you can get 7 NSB with damage spec (or 8 with less damage), 9 Cluster/Lift with conventional spec. Asari and Drell gets more mileage out of thermal clips, but that's not really what I want to point out.

NSB doesn't detonate stuff much like Lift 'nade, but at least Lift 'nade is effective at all range. Cluster detonating everything has that going for it. PD, while not being outright as strong as 'nades, can simply be spammed all day long and detonate tech stuff. Smash is also quite limiting, but is strong and can prime and detonate. Nova isn't strong by itself but shines as a CC&detonation tool with minimal risks involved.

Cabal has weapon damage but then again every other vanguard can if they spec BC into weapon synergy. The only interesting thing she has is mobility and that Biotic Focus + Javelin thing IMO, everything else is done better by other kits.

If anything, the Phoenix having to worry about swarmers is a tad bit ridiculous. That's my only problem with the kit, I find.

edit: typo and added something about human vanguard and the Phoenix..

Modifié par Knockingbr4in, 23 avril 2013 - 07:33 .

[doozerdude]

:(Phoenix is getting far too much hate...

Novagaurd? Squishy, no damage.

Cabal? Buggy, awkward.

Krogaurd? Krolord.

Volgaurd? Relies on heavy weapons/crutches. Yes 2L4N, Reegar is a crutch, using it well does not make a kit outstanding:P Not to say Volus sucks, he gets too much hate as well, just not nearly as good as Phoenix.

Drell/Asari? Grenade gear required. Rely on crutches.

Slayer? Alright, but doesn't have nearly the damage output of a Phoenix, even with Incendiary rounds + Acolyte...


Saying the Phoenix sucks, is like saying the Krolord sucks. L2P much? He has huge damage capabilities, and can one-hit many many enemies. If anything he is OP in the right hands. However, just like with the Krolord, you can't waltz up to a Banshee and melee, with Phoenix you also have to pick your targets. Smash=/=Slash, so many misunerstand this.

I cannot stress this enough, Phoenix VG deals HUGE damage, and can be a beast when
played right. He is the only Vanguard capable of creating BEs on boss
untis by himself. Not terribly buggy, no gear/weapon requirements. He is a frigin beast of a Vanguard, the very embodiment of the class.

Phoenix is a very misunderstood, very powerful kit.

/rant=]

[CardboredSquare]

^ -highfive-
Though I've never done any BE's with him. I need to learn how to do that.

[sobit]

doozerdude wrote...

:(Phoenix is getting far too much hate...

Novagaurd? Squishy, no damage. [...]

stopped reading right f*cking there. learn to play.

[zakdillon]

The worst? probably phoenix. Although I dont like the krogan or batarian, either. They seem so slow. Even recharge times. I dont know if thats accurate, but I never play well with them. I am a big fan of the Cabal, Slayer, and Drell.

[Tallgeese_VII]

I think we can all agree that every Vanguard kit is great in different player`s hand.
Volus Vanguard being extremely good with only one player.

[David_Lobster]

Knockingbr4in wrote...
Btw, how do you make her melee work? I tried it, enemies would melee me through the stagger my melee is supposed to do every single time, even when I was meleeing them through walls with the help of the Geth Scanner.

Hm, I've never had that issue. I spec for full melee in fitness and biotic focus, and bring a Raider with omniblade. Unshielded mooks die right away, vs shielded mooks the first heavy melee helps me close distance and strips the shields and I can follow up with another melee to finish them off (or just apply a shotgun blast to the face). Against Phantoms I will switch to the Acolyte to strip their barriers, then back to the Raider before using heavy melee to get that omni blade bonus. I think with martial artist active that should kill gold Phantoms outright, if not then follow up with nightshade blades and move on to next target.

[ToLazy4Name]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

David_Lobster wrote...

Mobility, best weapon passives in the game, awesome mele, great survivability with biotic focus, decent crowd control with the poison blades...

The character is at her best when combining all these aspects, focusing on only one type of playstyle will give mediocre results.

No sh!t, tell me about that.

Btw, how do you make her melee work? I tried it, enemies would melee me through the stagger my melee is supposed to do every single time, even when I was meleeing them through walls with the help of the Geth Scanner.

I use her with a GPS with an OmniBlade and High Caliber Barrel. Typically you can just dive in with a heavy melee, but if you wanna make sure they won't retaliate and you kill them right off the bat, you can hit them with the GPS first to stun them and damage them, then dive in with a heavy melee. Then, you'll have the Melee Synergy damage bonuses which go REALLY well with the Turian Passives. The GPS isn't very good against bosses, however, which is where NSBs come in. 

[GordianKnot42]

Late to the party but...

I do the worst with the Slayer. But the worst Vanguard kit is probably the Ex-Cerb dude. He's got the fastest CQC power (Charge) coupled with the slowest (Smash). No rhythm that I've been able to play.

[billy the squid]

@Tallgeese

I mean that the other Vanguards, ie: Slayer, Drell, Asari can do a lot more damage and aren't limited by range, AOE, etc. to the same extent as Phoneix, not saying that the Phoenix is bad though. he's a decent kit, and one I used, without doing badly. But he can't provide as much damage as the other above kits can.

@Knockingbr4in

I know, I agree that NSB aren't the equivalent of clusters or lift and can't bioticly prime, but I prefer that, considering her build is differentiated from the others, rather than being another Vanguard which plays largely the same way (BC, prime, powers, detonate) Hence the biotic focus comes into it's own combined with her mobility. I like that she plays differently, rather than relying on a charge to restore barriers, the focus gives DR, speed and melee. Not your typical Vanguard.

So maybe she's the worst Vanguard, because she'd not a Vanguard. lol, not really at least.

I've had mixed results with the Phoenix, I posted the Smash build earlier, with 3 fitness, maxed powers. He can do a huge amount of damage with smash to boss targets in particular as they're slow, but I always have more trouble with multiple mooks, even with lash. Marauders, Collector Captains, are a problem for me at the moment on Gold, before I take him to platinum.

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 avril 2013 - 08:41 .