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[Knockingbr4in]

What about the Cabal?

[billy the squid]

Phoenix guard specced right can rack up over 5000 damage to armor and barriers with smash. Biotic charge ---> Smash (animation cancel) biotic charge for the BE primed by smash. The main problem I've found he's squishy and has no invincibility frames for Smash's long wind up, mixed results so far.

Samsh build

Modifié par billy the squid, 22 avril 2013 - 09:19 .

[BattleCop88]

Phoenix. That smash nerf took away anything he had going for him. When they nerfed smash they should have raised or removed the cap on the amount of enemies affected. Then you would have a power that is high risk/reward.

It's essentially: charge, smash, shoot while waiting for cool down, shield/health-gated, rinse and repeat.

[DullahansXMark]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

Worst damage output? Volus

inb4 TL4N

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Anyone who says Volus is wrong.

Also, Phoenix is the worst.

Modifié par DullahansXMark, 22 avril 2013 - 09:24 .

[DullahansXMark]

Anyway, Imma have to jump to the Phoenix's defense here. He ain't the worst. He's far from it.

[Cyonan]

billy the squid wrote...

Phoenix guard specced right can rack up over 5000 damage to armor and barriers with smash. Biotic charge ---> Smash (animation cancel) biotic charge for the BE primed by smash. The main problem I've found he's squishy and has no invincibility frames for Smash's long wind up, mixed results so far.

Samsh build

Smash hits really hard, but if I want a hard hitting nuker then I play Drell or Asari Vanguards.

Cluster Grenade can break 5k without a primed target, and hits more than 2 targets.

[shards7]

That vanguard thing. Fvcker cant even warp.

[jakenou]

Nothing beats my Phenicks Sammich build!

[billy the squid]

Cyonan wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Phoenix guard specced right can rack up over 5000 damage to armor and barriers with smash. Biotic charge ---> Smash (animation cancel) biotic charge for the BE primed by smash. The main problem I've found he's squishy and has no invincibility frames for Smash's long wind up, mixed results so far.

Samsh build

Smash hits really hard, but if I want a hard hitting nuker then I play Drell or Asari Vanguards.

Cluster Grenade can break 5k without a primed target, and hits more than 2 targets.

Yeah the Drell Adept and Vanguard are the premier spawn nukers on both classes. I did a Platinum Run pug game vs Cerberus, and the Adept simply rolls over them, same with the Vanguard. I recently specced into megabeast's Slayer build, which again is one of the best. 

Phoenix adept works okay, but again it falls behind the others. The Phoenixguard, is the same they're not terrible, but just kind of meh. There are better choices, like all of the vanguards

[FlowCytometry]

Off-host? Slayer or HV when the host is on the other side of the world.

On host? Eh.. I dunno. HV is lots of upkeep for moderate reward, imo. Power creep hasn't been so kind to him. For all that effort keeping up invuln frames and not getting gibbed to stuns/staggers/SKs, you get rapid but un-boosted detonations as ur best reward. PV's better w/ the scanner out; I wouldn't say he's the worst but I also wouldn't be opposed to smash having its faster recharge either.

[ToLazy4Name]

Air Quotes wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Anyone who says Volus is wrong.

Also, Phoenix is the worst.

 

Volus. Because Biotic Orbs suck ass. It's funny and fun though going hatesurfing with Batarian Gauntlet, punching people in the nuts so hard that their heads explode. 

Biotic Orbs suck if you're using them offensively, which you shouldn't. I only put three points into them for the cooldown bonus, which is what you should be using them for. 

 

Well then you have nothing else but your gun and Charge for damage. Which is why it's the worst. Kroguard too, but he has powerful melee and Carnage. 

The VanGOD is almost as durable as the Kroguard though, and is actually MORE durable in certain situations (Volus doesn't have to charge to get his barriers back, which is a HUGE benefit in certain situations). 

How anyone can say that the Volus is worse than the Phoenix is beyond my understanding. In my opinion, ALL of the Vanguards are great and serve a unique role, with the exception of the Phoenix. 

[Adamziomal]

Turian because she doesn't have charge.

[Grammaton Dryad]

N33d F0r Sk1llZ wrote...

Cabal because she's chargeless and it's replacement(Poison Strike) sucks

^n00b^


Phoenix is mediocre.

[OniGanon]

Knockingbr4in wrote...

What about the Cabal?

IMO the Cabal is less a Vanguard and more of an absurdly mobile teleporting shield boosting Soldier.

And for those saying Poison Strike sucks... Please watch the Cabal Teleporting Guide in my signature. If you don't like PS as a damage ability and detonator, the utility of it might still interest you.

Modifié par OniGanon, 22 avril 2013 - 09:57 .

[ArcaptSSX]

I'd say it depends on what you deem "worse". In my opinion the Kroguard is the worse, while being very powerful. I say that because he he's a one-tick pony: you have Fortification (passive), Carnage (unusable due to bad basic CD+Fortification penalty&useless below lv.6 which is too high for Kroguard) and a beefed-up BC with a slow base recharge time.

Basically all a Kroguard can do is Charge, shoot, shoot, shoot, Charge, rinse and repeat. Boring. If we're talking about efficiency in general, probably the Novaguard. Now i know that a Novaguard is a beast when on host with proper nova canceling but this is too hard to achieve in other conditions and requires a good skill level anyway. Which means it's a useless kit for most people, most of the time.

SmashGuard isn't easy to play on plat (no particular problem for me on gold), but it has a rather varied gameplay thanks to 3 useful abilities, making him fun to play.

Modifié par ArcaptSSX, 22 avril 2013 - 10:00 .

[Broganisity]

Cyonan wrote...

Phoenix Vanguard.

I don't really consider him to be terrible, I just think that every other Vanguard is better. There's nothing he's really good at the another Vanguard doesn't do better or the Phoenix Adept can't just do himself.

Ideally he's my second favorite vanguard (FYI Kroguard is at the bottom), but really all vangaurds do his job better: they tank better, combo better...

Honestly though, if the Phoenix Adept didn't exist (and they didn't give those batarians lash) I'd be alright with saying that maybe, possibly, he was better than the Batguard, in terms of biotic damage at least.

...I rat on Rebellion DLC too much don't I? :U

[HolyAvenger]

Phoenix. Even though I hate the volus.

[TMB903]

I really like all Vanguards...except Volus and that's just because I don't like Volus so...

[Cyonan]

Broganisity wrote...

Ideally he's my second favorite vanguard (FYI Kroguard is at the bottom), but really all vangaurds do his job better: they tank better, combo better...

Honestly though, if the Phoenix Adept didn't exist (and they didn't give those batarians lash) I'd be alright with saying that maybe, possibly, he was better than the Batguard, in terms of biotic damage at least.

...I rat on Rebellion DLC too much don't I? :U

I'd still call the Batarian better overall because the main reason to bring the Broguard is for his durability and possibly melee damage. Or hilarious hatesurfing with Lash.

Phoenix Vanguard seems like he should be in with the biotic nuclear strikes, but the Asari/Drell are just so much better at filling that role.

The target limit is probably hurting Smash the most on that right now, with the long animation being pretty harsh as well.

[emptybraincase]

Air Quotes wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Anyone who says Volus is wrong.

Also, Phoenix is the worst.

 

Volus. Because Biotic Orbs suck ass. It's funny and fun though going hatesurfing with Batarian Gauntlet, punching people in the nuts so hard that their heads explode. 

Thanks for reminding me. I'm gonna try that right now.

And Biotic Orbs + Biotic Charge = ROLY POLY BOOM BOOM FUN! 

A little incendiary wit dat refresh bonus, and we're talking about a seriously fast sequence of fire explosions.  I probably couldn't outscore a well-played Phoenix what that setup, but I enjoy my Volguard more.

 

Biotic Orbs don't prime. 

not trying to be picky but wanna make sure you understood what they were saying.  Incendiary ammo was mentioned, so that was the primer.  The orbs mean that when used, it would take about the same time to prime and cooldown.  So it would be a neverending stream of fire explosions and recharged barriers.

If mentioned already I apologize.  It's just that it is the way I play mine, so I know how fast you can keep blowing things up.

Phoenix is worst.

[Chealec]

The Phoenix is actually pretty lulzy with a Mattock (warp ammo, weaken targets at range before charging) and Charge specced for Bonus Power... Mattock > Charge > Smash.

The downside is that it only works 50% of the time and the Smash animation is too long to get away with doing that in an open area - you'll just get shot from somewhere else.

Still, with a 6/6/6/4/4 build you can still Lash > Smash which never gets old



However, I'm gonna say NovaGuard although technically he's probably not worse than the Phoenix, he's more of a one trick pony, like the Lash-less BatGuard but much, much less fun.

Hmmm... I may spec out my second NovaGuard to 6/6/6/4/4 with bonus power, never actually done it - might be more of a chuckle than the normal SW-less build.