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[FlowCytometry]

CHRrOME wrote...

You will try to burn me for this, but I'll say it anyways: Asari.
Not because she is terrible, all the opposite. Its because she's buggy as hell for me. 4 of 5 times I use biotic charge I die. My barrier doesn't refill and I get one-shot kill from the first lucky bastard in front of me. I hate that, and that is on-host. I will not even talk about off-host.

But now, serious, Cerberus vanguard is sort of meh. The only good thing he has is the heavy melee

what are you charging that's causing that? Have you noticed any trends?

[tjbearpig]

CHRrOME wrote...

You will try to burn me for this, but I'll say it anyways: Asari.
Not because she is terrible, all the opposite. Its because she's buggy as hell for me. 4 of 5 times I use biotic charge I die. My barrier doesn't refill and I get one-shot kill from the first lucky bastard in front of me. I hate that, and that is on-host. I will not even talk about off-host.

But now, serious, Cerberus vanguard is sort of meh. The only good thing he has is the heavy melee

BURN, HERETIC >:U

I mean... although I do not agree with your statement, I will acknowledge and respect your opinion.

Also, getting your barriers dropped as soon as you charge is not a rare occurence. If an enemy shoots you before all your barriers are filled... you're boned. Unless you have tons of oops packs.

[parico]

Cyonan wrote...

Edit: Even if you were to win the Volus vs Phoenix, that still makes him the second worst Vanguard in the game =P

And with that the last nail just went in the coffin. 

[ToLazy4Name]

DHKany wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

DHKany wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

DHKany wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

But a Volus with a Reegar will outperform a Phoenix with a Reegar (Unless it's Knockingbr4in playing, and even still he might be better with a Volus. Never seen him play one). 

Another good comparison would be putting a Kroguard with nothing but a Predator up against Collectors. He'd have to rely on Melee, and then, he'd probably be the worst of the Vanguards under those conditions. 

The Phoenix can actually just spec full weapon damage and have a weapon damage advantage over the Volus because of his passive.

Yes, but can a Phoenix tank multiple boss units while spraying a Reegar in their face? 

Heard of soft cover? 

With a Reegar, soft cover isn't an option alot of the time. 

Charging out in the open 1v1 ing bosses isn't a smart option most of the time either. 
Just wait for them around corners, and unload. Reegar's mobility penalty when firing also adds to the reasons you should NOT 'tank' bosses. 

The Volus ignores movement penalties associated with a gun firing. You didn't know that, I take it. 

Also, if charging into the open and fighting a boss is a bad idea, then why do Kroguards do it with such great success? Because they can take the punishment. So can a Volus. 

Kroguards can do it because they have a bajillion barriers and health followed by a DR boosting power and DR giving melee tree.Not to mention that they are durable enough to empty 2-3 uninterrupted reegar clips into the enemies before having to take a break by charging. 

Volus need to constantly shield boost cutting down on DPS by a lot, not to mention their inferior passives to the kroguard. 

They don't need to Shield Boost constantly. I (And anyone doing it right) only need to Shield Boost once in between Biotic Charges, and that's only if i'm in a REALLY bad situation. 

[CHRrOME]

tjbearpig wrote...

CHRrOME wrote...

You will try to burn me for this, but I'll say it anyways: Asari.
Not because she is terrible, all the opposite. Its because she's buggy as hell for me. 4 of 5 times I use biotic charge I die. My barrier doesn't refill and I get one-shot kill from the first lucky bastard in front of me. I hate that, and that is on-host. I will not even talk about off-host.

But now, serious, Cerberus vanguard is sort of meh. The only good thing he has is the heavy melee

BURN, HERETIC >:U

I mean... although I do not agree with your statement, I will acknowledge and respect your opinion.

Also, getting your barriers dropped as soon as you charge is not a rare occurence. If an enemy shoots you before all your barriers are filled... you're boned. Unless you have tons of oops packs.

Its not one-shot goodbye barriers. Its one-shot you're dead. That is what happens to me with her. And I don't understand why. Also, the stagger after BC fails me a lot, basically it works when it wants. 
I'm telling you guys, its the curse of the asguard.

[Cyonan]

ToLazy4Name wrote...
And this is why I like you, you're actually pointing out stuff that I didn't think of. 

I'll concede your point that, yes, he can out damage the Volus, but I still say that the Volus can dish out more damage simply because he doesn't have to worry about hiding or dodging around. The Volus can constantly keep his Biotic Charge weapon damage bonus up as well, because, again, survivability. 

Edit: And in regards to your edit, I don't think so. Outside of the Phoenix, all the Vanguards serve a different purpose. The Kroguard is the Kroguard, I don't even need to speak about that. The Cabal is the fastest character in the game. The Novaguard has AMAZING synergy with power combos. The Drell and Asari are amazing spawn nukers, the Drell having more damage output while the Asari's Grenades go through walls and are easier to land. The Slayer is a mix of Spawn Nuking, Tanking, and synergy with Power Combos, and the Volus is a Kroguard with slightly less damage output and much more utility (Can get Barriers back without charging, and immensely helpful during objectives). 

They each have an edge on something, though I did call the Volus better because of Shield Boost and I still stand by that. Mainly because of Shield Boost's DR and the fact that it's a regeneration that does not place you in melee with the enemy.

The reason I place the Volus so low is because all he really has going for him is utility. He's out classed on survivability by the Krogan/Batarian, and since his damage is purely about the Reegar he's going to be outclassed on that by basically everybody else.

Unfortunately his utility also happens to bug out the other players in the game.

[ToLazy4Name]

Cyonan wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...
And this is why I like you, you're actually pointing out stuff that I didn't think of. 

I'll concede your point that, yes, he can out damage the Volus, but I still say that the Volus can dish out more damage simply because he doesn't have to worry about hiding or dodging around. The Volus can constantly keep his Biotic Charge weapon damage bonus up as well, because, again, survivability. 

Edit: And in regards to your edit, I don't think so. Outside of the Phoenix, all the Vanguards serve a different purpose. The Kroguard is the Kroguard, I don't even need to speak about that. The Cabal is the fastest character in the game. The Novaguard has AMAZING synergy with power combos. The Drell and Asari are amazing spawn nukers, the Drell having more damage output while the Asari's Grenades go through walls and are easier to land. The Slayer is a mix of Spawn Nuking, Tanking, and synergy with Power Combos, and the Volus is a Kroguard with slightly less damage output and much more utility (Can get Barriers back without charging, and immensely helpful during objectives). 

They each have an edge on something, though I did call the Volus better because of Shield Boost and I still stand by that. Mainly because of Shield Boost's DR and the fact that it's a regeneration that does not place you in melee with the enemy.

The reason I place the Volus so low is because all he really has going for him is utility. He's out classed on survivability by the Krogan/Batarian, and since his damage is purely about the Reegar he's going to be outclassed on that by basically everybody else.

Unfortunately his utility also happens to bug out the other players in the game.

I can't argue my point further without simply looking like the others think I am (I.E. A ranting lunatic) so i'll concede your point. At the very least you acknowledge that he's better than the Phoenix and has something different from the others. 

[cowwy]

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

[ToLazy4Name]

cowwy wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

Shield Boost isn't a Support Power. It gives the Volus 1.5 seconds of COMPLETE invulneraility, and 50% DR. Unless it's a Hack/Escort, Shield Boost is mainly meant for the Volus. 

[cowwy]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

Shield Boost isn't a Support Power. It gives the Volus 1.5 seconds of COMPLETE invulneraility, and 50% DR. Unless it's a Hack/Escort, Shield Boost is mainly meant for the Volus. 

Does it do damage? If not then it's a support power.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Cabal.
Imagine she has no grenade or really good weapon. Things become sad very quickly.

[Cyonan]

cowwy wrote...

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

It's got tactical advantages in that you don't need to place yourself in melee range to get your shields back, which helps for sync kill units and objectives. It's also useful for hacks and escorts where your entire team is bunched up, especially those troublesome hacks like the middle of London.

The holy trinity isn't required here, but a well played tank does tend to make the game go a lot smoother. There is a reason that the Kroguard comes so highly recommended for people looking to do an easy Lone Wolf, and it's not his DPS.

The Volus also can stack his DR from both Shield Boost and Biotic Charge. With the same weapon the Phoenix gets a damage advantage while the Volus gets a survivability advantage(which does let him play a little bit more recklessly). It's going to be fairly close overall, but the Volus has some added utility.

Stealth was never buffed and enemies never ignored it.

[Zyzimorph]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

Shield Boost isn't a Support Power. It gives the Volus 1.5 seconds of COMPLETE invulneraility, and 50% DR. Unless it's a Hack/Escort, Shield Boost is mainly meant for the Volus. 

Shield boost is clearly a boss killer

[Tallgeese_VII]

Phoenix Vanguard is good for few things

1. Not grenade dependant. He will always be better than Asari/Drell without Grenade.
2. Large area heavy melee stagger. Helps a lot when you constantly performs biotic charge as it double stagger enemies or stagger those not hit by BC.
3. Smash. Risky but deals high damage. Can always be useful behind the structure or if your enemies die with it (which is quite often after BC)

He might not be as good as other vanguards considering Full equipments + gear, poweful weapons are available.
If you go with non-equipment/ poor gear / weak weapon.. he might be one of the best with Kroguard and Slayer.

[ToLazy4Name]

Zyzimorph wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

Shield Boost isn't a Support Power. It gives the Volus 1.5 seconds of COMPLETE invulneraility, and 50% DR. Unless it's a Hack/Escort, Shield Boost is mainly meant for the Volus. 

Shield boost is clearly a boss killer

You're being an idiot. 

@Cowwy: If any power that doesn't do damage is a support power, then is Hunter Mode a support power? Is Biotic Focus? Is Barrier? Repair Matrix? 

[palmof40sorrows]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Zyzimorph wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

Shield Boost isn't a Support Power. It gives the Volus 1.5 seconds of COMPLETE invulneraility, and 50% DR. Unless it's a Hack/Escort, Shield Boost is mainly meant for the Volus. 

Shield boost is clearly a boss killer

You're being an idiot. 

@Cowwy: If any power that doesn't do damage is a support power, then is Hunter Mode a support power? Is Biotic Focus? Is Barrier? Repair Matrix? 

This was addressed to Cowwy, but c'mon. It should be obvious from his criteria that he defines a support power as not providing ANY damage, through boost or active use. Do you really think Hunter Mode and Repair Matrix are similar? Or Barrier and Shield boost? Or Biotic Focus and Hunter Mode? 

The answer, even though your question seemed to be rhetorical (if so that's a terrible one because the answer isn't obvious at all), in order:

Hunter Mode: No, provides damage boost
Biotic Focus: Depends, can be spec'd for damage boost or not (melee damage)
Barrier: Depends, can be spec'd for for increased damage or not
Repair Matrix:  Yes, no damage boost.

[ToLazy4Name]

palmof40sorrows wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

Zyzimorph wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Ok I can see what you're saying but I wouldn't agree that the Phoenix is crippled on maps like Condor, they don't help him at all but they don't gimp him completely. But honestly Smash is still rather underrated and does a very large amount of damage when specced properly. And to be clear the PV is tied with the Volus for my least favorite Vanguard but at least the PV has some kind of power synergy.

I wouldn't say it takes him out of the fight, but Condor is certainly much riskier than Glacier is. If you die then it doesn't really matter how much damage Smash could have done, and Condor makes it much easier for you to die.

The main reason I put the Volus ahead of the Phoenix is because of Shield Boost bringing some utility that none of the other Vanguards have. If you don't go for it(as you said you think it's more trouble than it's worth) then I would agree on Volus being worse than the Phoenix.

The problem though is that Shield Boost is a redundant power when you have Biotic Charge, especially with the now awesome Bonus Power. Sure it gives DR and Invincibility Frames but honestly I'll take a weak offensive power over a support power in this game because the game has no purpose for support powers.

It's not like an MMO where healers and tanks are integral parts of gameplay, ME3 multiplayer only needs DPS, and to be fair the Phoenix's heavy melee is actually pretty decent, and while a full melee build isn't the best option the Power Synergy evo helps the Phoenix to get even more mileage out of his Smash while giving him a slight amount of AoE damage.

Also did cloak get a stealth buff while I wasn't watching? Last time I checked enemies completely ignored "invisibility".

Shield Boost isn't a Support Power. It gives the Volus 1.5 seconds of COMPLETE invulneraility, and 50% DR. Unless it's a Hack/Escort, Shield Boost is mainly meant for the Volus. 

Shield boost is clearly a boss killer

You're being an idiot. 

@Cowwy: If any power that doesn't do damage is a support power, then is Hunter Mode a support power? Is Biotic Focus? Is Barrier? Repair Matrix? 

This was addressed to Cowwy, but c'mon. It should be obvious from his criteria that he defines a support power as not providing ANY damage, through boost or active use. Do you really think Hunter Mode and Repair Matrix are similar? Or Barrier and Shield boost? Or Biotic Focus and Hunter Mode? 

The answer, even though your question seemed to be rhetorical (if so that's a terrible one because the answer isn't obvious at all), in order:

Hunter Mode: No, provides damage boost
Biotic Focus: Depends, can be spec'd for damage boost or not (melee damage)
Barrier: Depends, can be spec'd for for increased damage or not
Repair Matrix:  Yes, no damage boost.

Repair Matrix, a power that lets you ignore dying, is a support power? 

I give up. I can't argue with you people, with the exception of Cyonan because he's not an impossible fool. 

[cowwy]

ToLazy4Name wrote...

You're being an idiot. 

@Cowwy: If any power that doesn't do damage is a support power, then is Hunter Mode a support power? Is Biotic Focus? Is Barrier? Repair Matrix? 

They are indeed. However those you just listed have more utility, like Repair Matrix also being horribly broken and giving essentially passive movement speed buffs and free medigel, Hunter Mode giving extraordinary damage buffs, Barrier is the only one you listed there that I would say is weaker than Shield Boost as it gives mediocre DR and the detonation is about equivalent to trying to fart an enemy to death.

However all the characters that have those powers have other powers that synergize well with them or at least give them some kind of significant damage boost in their power. Geth obviously get absurd damage bonuses with geth weaponry, Repair Matrix allows the AIU to close distance very rapidly and utilize her shotgun evo in tac cloak fully, and Biotic Focus gives a movement speed buff and a melee damage buff. The Bowlus has no real synergy, he's got Charge, which can slightly boost weapon damage, Shield Boost which heals and provides DR, and Biotic Orbs which can detonate and gives a recharge buff. If Biotic Orbs primed I would classify the Volus as a top tier vanguard but he can only detonate targets primed by other teammates.

So where is the synergy or what does he bring to the table that isn't done better by another vanguard? Tanking is hands down taken by the Kroguard, who's also a better lolreegar user, damage is covered by basically anyone other than the PV and Volus, so where does that leave the Volus?

Edit: I'm genuinely interested if you have something to set the Volus apart, because as it stands he's tied for my least used Vanguard with the PV and Cabal.

Modifié par cowwy, 23 avril 2013 - 03:41 .

[ThelLastTruePatriot]

dava6711 wrote...

I'd say the volus protector or the krogan, I know the krogan is powerful but I just find him extremely boring to use! The smashguard is a lot of fun, especially if you take the 50% chance of no cool down evolution, charge instantly followed by smash is pretty devastating!

 Boring doesn't mean he is the worst, he is probably top tier as far as vanguards go. Then again, what is everyone using as criteria for something to be the worst? A kit that is just mechanically bad, or just something based on personal tastes? I generally like all the vanguards except the volus (nothing against him, just hate the volus' diminutive perspective) the phoenix vanguard and the slayer.

[DHKany]

Rants about volus 24/7 and how good they are when in reality only one of them is actually good.
Calls everybody impossible fools.


Seems legit.

[Tallgeese_VII]

Phoenix Vanguard can cause biotic explosion and ignore wall.. Damage is not issue.

[VaultingFrog]

I hate any Vanguard.

[ToLazy4Name]

cowwy wrote...

ToLazy4Name wrote...

You're being an idiot. 

@Cowwy: If any power that doesn't do damage is a support power, then is Hunter Mode a support power? Is Biotic Focus? Is Barrier? Repair Matrix? 

They are indeed. However those you just listed have more utility, like Repair Matrix also being horribly broken and giving essentially passive movement speed buffs and free medigel, Hunter Mode giving extraordinary damage buffs, Barrier is the only one you listed there that I would say is weaker than Shield Boost as it gives mediocre DR and the detonation is about equivalent to trying to fart an enemy to death.

However all the characters that have those powers have other powers that synergize well with them or at least give them some kind of significant damage boost in their power. Geth obviously get absurd damage bonuses with geth weaponry, Repair Matrix allows the AIU to close distance very rapidly and utilize her shotgun evo in tac cloak fully, and Biotic Focus gives a movement speed buff and a melee damage buff. The Bowlus has no real synergy, he's got Charge, which can slightly boost weapon damage, Shield Boost which heals and provides DR, and Biotic Orbs which can detonate and gives a recharge buff. If Biotic Orbs primed I would classify the Volus as a top tier vanguard but he can only detonate targets primed by other teammates.

So where is the synergy or what does he bring to the table that isn't done better by another vanguard? Tanking is hands down taken by the Kroguard, who's also a better lolreegar user, damage is covered by basically anyone other than the PV and Volus, so where does that leave the Volus?

Edit: I'm genuinely interested if you have something to set the Volus apart, because as it stands he's tied for my least used Vanguard with the PV and Cabal.

He's a Kroguard with better utility. He's only got 22.5% weapon damage, but he can turn invisible, and get his Barriers back without having to charge, as well as being able to heal others during Hacks/Escorts (which, admirttedly, can lock people up if you're not careful). Also, his Biotic Charge has a better cooldown than the Krogans, and he only lags behind a bit in terms of weapon damage. 

[LegionofRannoch]

DHKany wrote...

Rants about volus 24/7 and how good they are when in reality only one of them is actually good.
Calls everybody impossible fools.


Seems legit.

you fool, we should eat you!