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[Gabbenator8787]

 Knowing Bioware and there gradually declining quality of games in recent years, do you honestly believe DA:I will be able to live up to its hype and be just as good if not better than Origins? I personally believe it will definitely be an improvement off DA 2 (with obviously is not saying much IMHO) but still is likely going to feel rushed and possibly dumbed down to appeal to the Skyrim crowd. Personally I think a game of this size and calibar needs at least 3 years in developement minimum in order to feel truely complete and polished. Who else feels somewhat worried about its overall prospects?

[EdwinLi]

Honestly I don't know since as time progress originality tend to disappear because the things not done yet in video games tend to decrease each passing year which leads to less originality and more similarity of another game.

[M Hedonist]

There ain't nothing bad about the "Skyrim crowd".
I'd say the bar for Bioware is pretty low after DA2 and ME3. Does anyone expect DAI to live up to DAO?

[Scarlet Rabbi]

As long as Mike Laidlaw is soloing as creative director, I'll always be uneasy about a new Dragon Age game. I love how reapeatedly on his Twitter he's been assuring people it won't be rushed out, and Blair Brown has since said that DA3 won't need to exploit similarities between it and other games in order to achieve success. Well...how noble. Heart warming, really. Such a shame neither of those attitudes seemed to be present during DA2's development.

With DA2, Bioware didn't just corners, it absolutely mutilated them. The final product testifies to that fact. And lets not forget this lovely Fernando Melo quote:

" We have data that shows there are a lot of people that enjoy playing RPGs although they won’t necessarily call them RPGs. They’ll play Fallout, Assassin’s Creed and even Call Of Duty, which have these progression elements – you’re putting points into things – but they don’t necessarily associate that as an RPG. So we think that if we expand that out we’ll attract a much bigger audience.”

I hope they really are confident that DA3 can stand on it's own two feet, because judging by that quote they seemed quite certain that they'd have to lure people into buying DA2 by basically saying: "Hey, look how much we're like this and that", in order to achieve the level of success they had set their eyes on.

So yes, I'm very nervous. Talk is cheap, and the quality of previous products is unable to lie.

[Sith Grey Warden]

Bioware doesn't have a high bar set for them at the moment. I expect they'll be able to surpass DA2 and avoid a controversy like ME3's ending. Other than that, the game doesn't have a "bar" to beat. They said they're going to let the game speak for itself for the marketing campaign. I think they're trying to avoid unrealistic expectations. I can only hope that they're doing this because they know the game will be impressive enough on its own to sell well, and not just because they're low on credibility.

Modifié par Sith Grey Warden, 22 avril 2013 - 10:12 .

[In Exile]

Scarlet Rabbi wrote...
With DA2, Bioware didn't just corners, it absolutely mutilated them. The final product testifies to that fact. And lets not forget this lovely Fernando Melo quote:

" We have data that shows there are a lot of people that enjoy playing RPGs although they won’t necessarily call them RPGs. They’ll play Fallout, Assassin’s Creed and even Call Of Duty, which have these progression elements – you’re putting points into things – but they don’t necessarily associate that as an RPG. So we think that if we expand that out we’ll attract a much bigger audience.”

Bioware flubbed a lot of things with developing DA2, but I can't see what's wrong with this quote other than the fact that the examples he chose undermine his point.

[Brahox]

The bar really isn't that high right now, its pretty low if you ask me. They have pretty much drop the ball on everything in the pass 3-4 years. Really can't get any lower then they are now, so I guess that could be a good thing because they can only go up.

[Fast Jimmy]

Brahox wrote...

The bar really isn't that high right now, its pretty low if you ask me. They have pretty much drop the ball on everything in the pass 3-4 years. Really can't get any lower then they are now, so I guess that could be a good thing because they can only go up.

Not to sound like Debbie Downer, but some people said the exact same thing about DA2 and TOR being the worst Bioware could do right before ME3 came out. 

Things can always be worse. But I hope that they will be better, for everyone's sake.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 22 avril 2013 - 11:22 .

[Plaintiff]

Since I don't find Origins to be that good in the first place, I think Bioware is more than capable of meeting its standard.

[lil yonce]

I'm in agreement with Plaintiff. Why is Origins put on such a pedestal? I don't see it as the pinnacle of RPGs.

Modifié par Youth4Ever, 22 avril 2013 - 11:26 .

[9TailsFox]

Youth4Ever wrote...

I'm in agreement with Plaintiff. Why is Origins put on such a pedestal? I don't see it as the pinnacle of RPGs.

Origins is polished diamond. You have different races, different playable beginnings, game acknowledge what your character is. There is weird people who like role playing, and they can do it. You can express how you love chantry, you can express how you hate chantry, you can express your opinion on magic you can......
DA2 is rock it took away what was good about origins and fixed what isn't broken. you can be only human, Hawke have 3 personalities than warden have illusion of infinity. DA2 have more personal story. ahmm Human Noble.
Tell me better Role playing game and  I don't mean put points into stats = RPG.

[Sejborg]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Brahox wrote...

The bar really isn't that high right now, its pretty low if you ask me. They have pretty much drop the ball on everything in the pass 3-4 years. Really can't get any lower then they are now, so I guess that could be a good thing because they can only go up.

Not to sound like Debbie Downer, but some people said the exact same thing about DA2 and TOR being the worst Bioware could do right before ME3 came out. 

Things can always be worse. But I hope that they will be better, for everyone's sake.

Huh? I think most people would agree that the majority of ME3 was pretty damn good. It was only the ending of ME3 that was very badly received. While DA2 on the other hand was badly received in its entirity - not just the ending. 

[10K]

Personally I have no high hopes for DA:I, I'm a bit excited but not overly hyped like I was with ME3. I will not pre-order this game or buy it at full price. I will either wait until the price drop or wait until my girlfriend buys it. Plus, we know we can't play as an elf and that for me is already a major let down for any fantasy game.

Modifié par mosesarose, 23 avril 2013 - 12:04 .

[Plaintiff]

9TailsFox wrote...
Origins is polished diamond.

It's a polished something alright.

You have different races,

Elves and dwarves. Can't remember the last time I saw those in a fantasy game. Except every single western RPG that ever existed.

different playable beginnings, game acknowledge what your character is. There is weird people who like role playing, and they can do it. You can express how you love chantry, you can express how you hate chantry, you can express your opinion on magic you can......

All of this has been done before, I'm not impressed by it.

DA2 is rock it took away what was good about origins and fixed what isn't broken. you can be only human, Hawke have 3 personalities than warden have illusion of infinity. DA2 have more personal story. ahmm Human Noble.

This is gibberish.

Tell me better Role playing game and  I don't mean put points into stats = RPG.

Since I don't judge Origins in terms of its quality as a "role-playing" game, this measure is irrelevant to me.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 23 avril 2013 - 12:10 .

[Chiramu]

I don't think it's a decline in quality, I think it's just because we expect so much more from games now. Game companies are putting so much into games that we expect so much more than what we did 5 years ago. Game making companies just have to move with the times and reassess the gamer audience as well as the games being released.

[10K]

9TailsFox wrote...

Tell me better Role playing game and  I don't mean put points into stats = RPG.

Dragon's Dogma nuff said.

Modifié par mosesarose, 23 avril 2013 - 12:18 .

[PeterBazooka]

After their recent efforts I don't believe Bioware has it in them to create something great anymore. I do hope that they absolutely knock it out of the park with DA3 though so I can look back at this post in a couple months and see how wrong I was.

[Todd23]

High bar? I think you need to play DA2 (never thought I'd say that).

[Scarlet Rabbi]

9TailsFox wrote...

Tell me better Role playing game [than Dragon Age Origins] and  I don't mean put points into stats = RPG.

Can't. Origins is a masterpiece, maybe *the* masterpiece.

And even those who don't share my perspective can't deny the enormous amount of love and care that went into crafting the game. Even if you're not into Origins, if you play an hour of it the depth, density, atmosphere and richness of it will literally jump out at you. The same can't be truthfully said about DA2....imo.

And I'm not looking down at anyone for liking DA2 more than Origins, hell, I think DA2 is leagues better than 90% of RPGs out there, and both of DA2's DLCs are superb, but it can't go up against daddy. It just can't. DA2, to me, is just 'hollywoodized' Dragon Age. Lots of flashiness, exploding bodies, rogues backflipping, mages twirlings, warrior literally gliding toward an enemy ten feet away from them. Michael Bay would be proud. Not to mention DA2 has almost zero to offer in terms of lore. At the end of act 1 I was like "Oh awesome....undiscovered dwarven culuture, red lyrium, lyrium idols..." and nothing ever came of it.

DA2 on some level appeals to a much different crowd than the one who loved Origins; Bioware ate their cake, and then were shocked when they were only left with a cake-less platter. Can't have it both ways. They obviously disagree, and say DA3 will marry both games and appeal to both crowds. We shall see.

Modifié par Scarlet Rabbi, 23 avril 2013 - 12:25 .

[DarthCaine]

After DA2 I'd say the bar is set pretty damn low. They'd have to REALLY screw up to disappoint me

[-TC1989-]

Plaintiff wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...
Origins is polished diamond.

It's a polished something alright.

Wow that sounds pretty... hateful. I assume saying "something" doesn't mean anything pretty. Just my guess...

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Gabbenator8787 wrote...
 Able to live up to the high bar set?

The high bar set by who? DA 2 fans? Sure, why not? Probably, at least 2 million BioWare's loyal fans would be happy with anything thrown to them, anyway, and still claim it's a success. 

Doesn' t mean it would live up the bar set by other parties who are greatly disappointed, tho.

Personally, at this point my expectation for DA 3 is very very low. It would be a miracle to expect a general positive reception, a three platinum sales figure and over 5 million registered owners like DAO did. Not with BioWare current direction and flaws views. 

I would be eager to be proven wrong,tho. That's why I'm still here.   

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Gabbenator8787 wrote...

 Knowing Bioware and there gradually declining quality of games in recent years, do you honestly believe DA:I will be able to live up to its hype and be just as good if not better than Origins? I personally believe it will definitely be an improvement off DA 2 (with obviously is not saying much IMHO) but still is likely going to feel rushed and possibly dumbed down to appeal to the Skyrim crowd. Personally I think a game of this size and calibar needs at least 3 years in developement minimum in order to feel truely complete and polished. Who else feels somewhat worried about its overall prospects?

There's been no hype yet..

We'll see how it looks, but I'm not getting my hopes up after their recent games

[Twisted Path]

Ha, I'd never read that quote about Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty having RPG elements, therefore we can totally attract that audience. He's not technically wrong in that you level up stuff in those games or whatever, but what a terrible way of thinking. Really explains how Dragon Age 2 ended up going in the strange and horrible direction that it went.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

All the decisions in DA2, good and bad, can be boiled down to three objectives:

- appeal to masses (flashy combat moves, new art style, awesome button)

- improve on criticism of DAO (faster combat, better console controls, less 'brown' artwork)

- meet tight deadline/budget(less dialog, repetitive level design, poor quest design)

I wonder what's going to drive DAI's development