Knowing Bioware and there gradually declining quality of games in recent years, do you honestly believe DA:I will be able to live up to its hype and be just as good if not better than Origins? I personally believe it will definitely be an improvement off DA 2 (with obviously is not saying much IMHO) but still is likely going to feel rushed and possibly dumbed down to appeal to the Skyrim crowd. Personally I think a game of this size and calibar needs at least 3 years in developement minimum in order to feel truely complete and polished. Who else feels somewhat worried about its overall prospects?
Able to live up to the high bar set?
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Gabbenator8787
, avril 22 2013 09:25
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Posté 24 avril 2013 - 03:51
Allan Schumacher
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There are two things that make me want to take a break from the BSN.
The first is the biggest: when people use my words (or the words of any other BioWare poster) out of context and as ammunition for spreading around even more hatred and vitriol.
The second is the constant hyperbolic outrage people have because other people like different things.
Note that someone saying that they found ME3 thoroughly mediocre is not on this list. It depends on where they go after that as to whether or not I get frustrated.
Plaintiff had an interesting comment in this thread:
Lets stop overstating our cases just to grant visibility and in an attempt to try to "weight" things farther along in our favour. It's akin to people bombing a meta critic score with 0s because they feel they need to counter the people giving 10s, while the people giving 10s feel the need to do the same thing to the 0s).
For all the hyperbole that gets used in discussions to try to create more persuasive arguments, it has the completely opposite effect on me, in that it typically makes my eyes glaze over for the content, and I start to end up reading the post like a moderator (making sure people don't take their hyperbole too far) rather than as a developer (seeing if there are interesting discussion points in said post).
That's not to say that people should all post in the middle ground (a fallacy). If you think DAO is great and DA2 is poor is fine. I will give you bonus points, however, if you can take yourself out of your own shoes if you can understand different perspectives and recognize that other people may like/dislike other things.
To use hyperbole and say things like how you can't understand how someone could or could not like/hate a game represents a myopic perspective and undermines discussion points you may have beyond simply attempting to tell me what you like/dislike in a game.
If you find yourself completely baffled by an opinion, take some time and give it some thought. See if you can understand where they are coming from purely with your own thoughts. If you still can't make logical sense over why someone may feel that way... ask them! (politely)
The first is the biggest: when people use my words (or the words of any other BioWare poster) out of context and as ammunition for spreading around even more hatred and vitriol.
The second is the constant hyperbolic outrage people have because other people like different things.
Note that someone saying that they found ME3 thoroughly mediocre is not on this list. It depends on where they go after that as to whether or not I get frustrated.
Plaintiff had an interesting comment in this thread:
I'm overstating my case because on Bioware forums the most hyperbolic argument wins.
Lets stop overstating our cases just to grant visibility and in an attempt to try to "weight" things farther along in our favour. It's akin to people bombing a meta critic score with 0s because they feel they need to counter the people giving 10s, while the people giving 10s feel the need to do the same thing to the 0s).
For all the hyperbole that gets used in discussions to try to create more persuasive arguments, it has the completely opposite effect on me, in that it typically makes my eyes glaze over for the content, and I start to end up reading the post like a moderator (making sure people don't take their hyperbole too far) rather than as a developer (seeing if there are interesting discussion points in said post).
That's not to say that people should all post in the middle ground (a fallacy). If you think DAO is great and DA2 is poor is fine. I will give you bonus points, however, if you can take yourself out of your own shoes if you can understand different perspectives and recognize that other people may like/dislike other things.
To use hyperbole and say things like how you can't understand how someone could or could not like/hate a game represents a myopic perspective and undermines discussion points you may have beyond simply attempting to tell me what you like/dislike in a game.
If you find yourself completely baffled by an opinion, take some time and give it some thought. See if you can understand where they are coming from purely with your own thoughts. If you still can't make logical sense over why someone may feel that way... ask them! (politely)
Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 24 avril 2013 - 03:53 .
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Posté 24 avril 2013 - 06:28
Allan Schumacher
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As a note to not derail this thread, if anyone has concerns or suggestions about how I should moderate the forums, please send me a PM and we'll take the discussion there.
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Posté 24 avril 2013 - 06:47
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Cleaned up some posts because they were literally right after my "please take concerns/suggestions to PM" while doing just that, or they were replies to said posts.
Carry on.
Carry on.
#5
Posté 25 avril 2013 - 03:54
Allan Schumacher
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J. Reezy wrote...
Didn't sound all that homophobic tbh.
Nope. Mostly just irrelevant. And inappropriate regardless since FitScotGaymer's post made no qualitative indication of why he/she preferred DA2. It's a conclusion that Volus somehow came to on his own. Which actually makes it even worse.
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Posté 25 avril 2013 - 03:56
Allan Schumacher
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Enigmatick wrote...
secretsandlies wrote...
"golden standart of bioware
"Standart"? Stand alone art?? Is this an artistic integrity joke?
I'm pretty sure it was a spelling mistake.
