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[frostajulie]

PeterBazooka wrote...

After their recent efforts I don't believe Bioware has it in them to create something great anymore. I do hope that they absolutely knock it out of the park with DA3 though so I can look back at this post in a couple months and see how wrong I was.

true:(

[kbhai]

probably going to be better than DA2... thats all I can say and hope for

[Nefla]

Hey bud, watch what you say about the "Skyrim crowd"

Anyway, my expectations are at an all time low. A few years ago I was a rosy cheeked loyalist fan who would buy and defend any BW game, DLC, expansion, etc...without question. This is no longer true at all.

Also, maybe I'm not part of the majority, but I thought most of ME3 was pretty bad, not just the ending. Aside from the combat and graphics(slight improvement) it was a huge step down from ME2 IMO.

[10K]

Nefla wrote...

Also, maybe I'm not part of the majority, but I thought most of ME3 was pretty bad, not just the ending. Aside from the combat and graphics(slight improvement) it was a huge step down from ME2 IMO.

Soooo true. I thought I was the only one who felt this way. I spent 70 bucks for that disaster, I still feel sick because of it 

Modifié par mosesarose, 23 avril 2013 - 03:15 .

[Twisted Path]

Nefla wrote...

Also, maybe I'm not part of the majority, but I thought most of ME3 was pretty bad, not just the ending. Aside from the combat and graphics(slight improvement) it was a huge step down from ME2 IMO.

Completely agree with this. I could ignore the bad ending but I thought Mass Effect 3 was a really mediocre game overall, especially compared to ME2. I think it was mostly because the roleplaying options got trimmed to the bone and the game has lots of really bad dialogue and a poorly thought out story from beginning to end.

And of course the Fed Ex fetch quests, which we also saw in DA2. People always complain about fetch quests in RPGs even when they're well done but trimming out everything but the basic mechanics of the quests (get thing, click on guy who wants the thing, get reward,) made it even worse.

[cJohnOne]

In order to remain an AAA title I think they would have to sell a few million copies but as long as they keep the franchise going, I'll be happy.

I think Origins is a great game. It might be too high a bar to get to in just two years of development but we'll see. Actually if they started development DA3 when DA2 shipped it would be closer to 3 years wouldn't it? Back to March 2011 around there somewhere. That would be 2 and a half years.

[EdwinLi]

cJohnOne wrote...

In order to remain an AAA title I think they would have to sell a few million copies but as long as they keep the franchise going, I'll be happy.

I think Origins is a great game. It might be too high a bar to get to in just two years of development but we'll see. Actually if they started development DA3 when DA2 shipped it would be closer to 3 years wouldn't it? Back to March 2011 around there somewhere. That would be 2 and a half years.

Well they spent atleast 1 year working on the DLCs to set the stages for the plot of DA3 and maybe a future DA if they don't cover what happened to Corypheus and his plot to create his own blight and take revenge on the remain Archdemons in DA3.

[LPPrince]

Bioware's bar has been set EXTREMELY low at this point. It depresses me.

ME1 and DAO set the bar very high- I think its safe to say that ME2 was the closest to that bar(whether it was under or above it is up to opinion, then again ALL of this is opinion).

If we choose to ignore the ME franchise since its made by a different team and focus purely on DA-

DAO- Whether you like it, love it, don't care for it, or hate it, you have to admit that the game had a LOT that went into it. Lots of little things, little details that were appreciated. The game was chock full of content from start to finish, there were many ways to go through it, tons of permutations, tons of lore, interesting and varied locations, and lovable characters.

Personally, as a 360 gamer, one of my favorite things about DAO was that it felt like I was playing a PC game on my console- not graphic or aesthetic wise, but that the game felt like it was built purely for PC, and I STILL got to play it. In a way, it was. Work on a console version didn't start till very late.

DA2- I'll admit I'm a bit biased- I do not like the game, and its the only Bioware title I've been unable to finish more than once. Its also the only Bioware title I avoided purchasing any DLCs for. I should be able to compliment it as it did do some things well(such as the qunari and Flemeth redesigns), but a fan of the game would be better off touching on its positives. All I'd end up doing is tearing it to pieces(for example, I bloody HATED the art style/design. My biggest gripe with the game).

Can Bioware make a game the likes of ME1 and DAO again?

I'm gonna be honest- I don't think they have it in them anymore. The teams that worked on those games have changed over time(understandably), as has the environment that Bioware has had to work under.

Can they stop fumbling, as they've been doing ever since Awakening? Maybe.

Can they reach the level of awesome that their older games had? I don't know, lads. I don't know.

But I hope so.

[LPPrince]

Oh, and about that Skyrim crowd-

Thats a freaking AWESOME crowd to have.

[David7204]

God damn, are there some really stupid comments in this thread.

For instance, the comment about 'fetch quests' in ME 3. There's a completely moronic implication that they somehow replaced great sidequests in ME 1 and ME 2. But of course, the recycled levels, cookie-cutter planets, and often uninspiring storywise sidequests (A monkey stole the data drive! Go find it) in ME 1 get swept under the rug, don't they?

ME 3 has sidequests like Jack's mission, which are strong enough in comparison to the main story that they are hardly even considered sidequests anymore. Hence this kind of thing. And of course, we conveniently forget about the utterly lame mining and collection quests in ME 1 (which take far, far longer to complete than the 'fetch quests' in ME 3 and have absolutely zero story whatsoever) and the mineral scanning in ME 2.

Modifié par David7204, 23 avril 2013 - 04:31 .

[Maverick827]

Considering DA2, TOR, and ME3 we're all great products for varying reasons, I have no reason to doubt that DA:I won't be as well.

[Ihatebadgames]

I think the bar is low enough for a dwarf to say "Ouch".
Been playing 2 for fun and kicks,you know,doing things your "real"Hawke would never do.Noticed that doing the Templer side makes the ending seem a little smother.But Verrics comments at the end seem choppy and out of place.Still don't like the art direction and jump like a flea combat(first game where most PCs were mages),among other things.
They are a Awesome crowd,a little buggy perhaps but nice.

[XX-Pyro]

Phrases that will eternally ****** me off:

-Casual (look at me I'm so hardcore I play RPG's not shooters!)

-Dumbed down (RPG players are more intelligent than CoD and Skyrim players!)

-"Fixing what isn't broken" (Yeah let's never innovate anything at all because I want the same good game every year!)


Quite frankly DA2 did none of those, they made mistakes and rushed the game and that was visible after playing it. I also agree with Plaintiff, although I liked DAO more there was nothing there making it a spectacular RPG, it was just a good game. I also view DA2 as a good game. 

Modifié par XX-Pyro, 23 avril 2013 - 05:58 .

[Gabbenator8787]

LPPrince wrote...

Oh, and about that Skyrim crowd-

Thats a freaking AWESOME crowd to have.

Agreed 100 percent. Just for the record I still play Skyrim to this day

I dont intend to put down Besthesda and Elder Scrolls fans in any way. My main fear however is that they will dumb down and unecessarily doing away with alot of good features from DA:O merely for the sake "appealing to the masses" like they did with DA 2 and ME 3. Bioware needs to stick with what they do best (ie. epic story, well-written characters, meaningful choices and relationships) as oppossed to making it more like an open world TES-style game. 

Modifié par Gabbenator8787, 23 avril 2013 - 06:04 .

[Direwolf0294]

Probably not. It will be a miracle if they do. It's not that the game won't be awesome, but with their recent offerings and how it's generally considered cool to bash BioWare nowadays and lament their downfall, every single inch of the game is going to be ripped apart and scrutinised. Every single questionable design decision that players would otherwise ignore will be inflated and held up as proof that BioWare has lost their way.

[David7204]

Gabbenator8787 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Oh, and about that Skyrim crowd-

Thats a freaking AWESOME crowd to have.

Agreed 100 percent. Just for the record I still play Skyrim to this day

I dont intend to put down Besthesda and Elder Scrolls fans in any way. My main fear however is that they will dumb down and unecessarily doing away with alot of good features from DA:O merely for the sake "appealing to the masses" like they did with DA 2 and ME 3. Bioware needs to stick with what they do best (ie. epic story, well-written characters, meaningful choices and relationships) as oppossed to making it more like an open world TES-style game. 

I'm curious what you think was added or taken away from ME 3 solely to 'appeal to the masses.' I really hope your answer is not what I think it is. Because what I think you might be thinking is painfully stupid.

Modifié par David7204, 23 avril 2013 - 06:52 .

[Plaintiff]

-TC1989- wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

9TailsFox wrote...
Origins is polished diamond.

It's a polished something alright.

Wow that sounds pretty... hateful. I assume saying "something" doesn't mean anything pretty. Just my guess...

I'm overstating my case because on Bioware forums the most hyperbolic argument wins.

Origins is fine. It's not anything special. It's standard fantasy fare, it ticks all the boxes of every previous Bioware game. People like it because it's safe and familiar, but with just enough twists to make it interesting to people who have an extremely narrow view of the Fantasy genre and how it should be, which is probably most people.

DA2 is also fine. It's not the same kind of story as Origins, however, and that is largely why people complain. They wanted the same kind of story as Origins.

[kumquats]

David7204 wrote...

God damn, are there some really stupid comments in this thread.

For instance, the comment about 'fetch quests' in ME 3. There's a completely moronic implication that they somehow replaced great sidequests in ME 1 and ME 2. But of course, the recycled levels, cookie-cutter planets, and often uninspiring storywise sidequests (A monkey stole the data drive! Go find it) in ME 1 get swept under the rug, don't they?

ME 3 has sidequests like Jack's mission, which are strong enough in comparison to the main story that they are hardly even considered sidequests anymore. Hence this kind of thing. And of course, we conveniently forget about the utterly lame mining and collection quests in ME 1 (which take far, far longer to complete than the 'fetch quests' in ME 3 and have absolutely zero story whatsoever) and the mineral scanning in ME 2.

I agree, finally someone who isn't blinded my nostalgia like the rest of you.
There are huge problems with ME1 and DA:O, but you are so in love with those games, you don't even care why a lot of people didn't play them in the first place.

Instead you behave like elitist snobs, who think they are better, because you never played COD or Skyrim.
Wtf.
BW has to try out something new, something innovative, that interesterst people, who never played an RPG. That's the bar I'm setting for them, they have to stop being stuck in their old ways and listen to their fans all the time.

[Kidd]

Direwolf0294 wrote...

Probably not. It will be a miracle if they do. It's not that the game won't be awesome, but with their recent offerings and how it's generally considered cool to bash BioWare nowadays and lament their downfall, every single inch of the game is going to be ripped apart and scrutinised. Every single questionable design decision that players would otherwise ignore will be inflated and held up as proof that BioWare has lost their way.

This is somethng I fear as well.

[Dutchess]

A while back I believed Bioware had learned its lesson and that DA3 would be great. I believed them when they said "we are listening". Then came the announcement that we would only have a human protagonist (and no playable origins either) and the excitement I had was gone.
So, yeah, my expectations are pretty low. I'm not convinced Bioware is listening anymore. They still refuse to admit many flaws of DA2, only get so far to say that the waves in combat and the recycled environments were bad. But DA2's biggest fault was the story, and I dont think I'll ever see mr. Gaider admitting that his writing was sub par when it came to plot ("perhaps we had too many themes" haha, no, that was not the problem).

But who knows, there's still a small chance Bioware will surprise me and make me eat my words. I hope they will, but for now: *starts Skyrim*

[Althix]

Baldurs Gate anyone?

this is where bar is high. Not me1 or dao.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Gabbenator8787 wrote...

 Knowing Bioware and there gradually declining quality of games in recent years, do you honestly believe DA:I will be able to live up to its hype and be just as good if not better than Origins? I personally believe it will definitely be an improvement off DA 2 (with obviously is not saying much IMHO) but still is likely going to feel rushed and possibly dumbed down to appeal to the Skyrim crowd. Personally I think a game of this size and calibar needs at least 3 years in developement minimum in order to feel truely complete and polished. Who else feels somewhat worried about its overall prospects?

What hype? There's been barely any news of any sort. No trailers, no screenshots. The only hype really possible at this point is the self-generated sort coming from fans building up an idea of what this game will be like in their own minds. Based on that, disappointment is inevitable...

[Volus Warlord]

What is this high bar you speak of?

My expectations are at an all time low. For better or for worse.

[Volus Warlord]

LPPrince wrote...

Oh, and about that Skyrim crowd-

Thats a freaking AWESOME crowd to have.

Perve mods ahoy! 



Come to think of it, that'd be exactly what this community wants..

LPPrince, the Skyrim folk would be excellent.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

renjility wrote...

A while back I believed Bioware had learned its lesson and that DA3 would be great. I believed them when they said "we are listening". Then came the announcement that we would only have a human protagonist (and no playable origins either) and the excitement I had was gone.
So, yeah, my expectations are pretty low. I'm not convinced Bioware is listening anymore. They still refuse to admit many flaws of DA2, only get so far to say that the waves in combat and the recycled environments were bad. But DA2's biggest fault was the story, and I dont think I'll ever see mr. Gaider admitting that his writing was sub par when it came to plot ("perhaps we had too many themes" haha, no, that was not the problem).

But who knows, there's still a small chance Bioware will surprise me and make me eat my words. I hope they will, but for now: *starts Skyrim*

I think they're getting rid of wave combat and have stated that recycled environments won't be happening again. As for the story, I wouldn't call it subpar. Skyrim and just anything else made by Bethesda features subpar, lazy writing of the sort that comes from people who proudly don't give a s*** about story. Remarks like "haha, no, that was not the problem" makes you sound like a spoiled, arrogant, entitled fanbrat. Maybe that is what David Gaider genuinely sees as the problem with his writing in DA2. It can be difficult for an artist to admit that something they've created is flawed and the fact that he's given us such a statement at all is already something. The Watchowski siblings, to this day, will not answer questions which they feel are in any way insulting to the last two Matrix movies because they are happy with the final product even if a great many fans and critics aren't.