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[MichaelStuart]

I believe Dragon Age Inquisition will be average but enjoyable.

[LPPrince]

MichaelStuart wrote...

I believe Dragon Age Inquisition will be average but enjoyable.

I'll take that. I felt Amalur was pretty fun once I got into the swing of things, even though it wasn't as good as other RPGs I've played.

If I got the same feeling out of DA3, I'd accept that as an improvement over how DA2 left me feeling.

[Lluthren]

I'm sure the DA team will do fine, just trust them. The bar isn't that low, DA2 wasn't as bad to me as some people make it out to be and it's just one game. Sure i was a bit miffed, because there was not much travel, but in the end i kind of enjoyed DA2.

All i hope is that DAI will be a good game, that doesn't mean it will have to be like DA:O or DA2 or that it'll have to make people sing in praise over it. They just need to dive in and make it happen... over a period of at least 3 years.

I'm cool right now. Only when i see a trailer with coming soon and crazily excited previews, will i get psyched up.

[ScotGaymer]

secretsandlies wrote...

you did. and funny thing that possitive ones are about Isabela and Hawke.
the rest... well.
combat system - boring, art style is crap, maps etc. etc.
i can also add to this plot and events but it would rather be my input not yours.

so - aside from Isabela, Hawke and storytelling... what? nothing?

just look at this from that side - >
game mechanics is bad || Isabela is awesome.
game design is bad || Hawke is good
this is how your post looks, even if you put good things in the end of your post, bad things have more weight.

DA2 is a decent game sure... is it a good game? i don't know i guess it is more like personal opinion.

I think perhaps you have misunderstood me.

As I said the things I listed are only examples. And you haven't even read all of them, or even the whole post. And it is rather unreasonable to expect me to list every single thing.

The jist of my post is that I think Dragon Age 2 is a good game. Not a great game, but a good game. And I recognise that that is one of those "your mileage may vary" things.
You think its "decent" and not "good". It's down to opinion and point of view.

The important thing is however that we both agree that Dragon Age 2 isn't terrible. Lol. And thats good.:happy:

[Althix]

no i understood you quiet well, i can also add some comments about what good DA2 have.

however examples you show in your post is rather interesting ones. Just look at them again a try to evaluate each and one of them and think what examples you are using for a bad side and for a good side. Or count them one by one. Bad things have simply more than good ones. And praising Isabela in three sentences won't make it better.

I just wonder are those random examples or you pick each and one of them specifically to enforce your position. You must understand that this is very important, because it shows how you perceive the game.

Modifié par secretsandlies, 25 avril 2013 - 03:54 .

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

I believe Dragon Age Inquisition will be average but enjoyable.

I'll take that. I felt Amalur was pretty fun once I got into the swing of things, even though it wasn't as good as other RPGs I've played.

If I got the same feeling out of DA3, I'd accept that as an improvement over how DA2 left me feeling.

That makes me a little sad. 

[LPPrince]

What does?

I'm just saying, I didn't really enjoy DA2 all that much. So if DA3's average but enjoyable, my opinion of it will be an improvement over how I felt about the last game.

S'all I'm saying.

Though I want DA3 to be more than just average. I want and hope DA3 blows me away like DAO and Skyrim did.

Modifié par LPPrince, 25 avril 2013 - 03:59 .

[ScotGaymer]

@secretsandlies

It really doesn't because I am telling you how I feel about the game. You don't need me to list every single "good" thing I like and every single bad thing I don't to know how I feel about the game because I am telling you.

I like the game. I think its good. My personal score for it is 7.5 out of 10.

The examples I gave are just examples to show some of the good things I see in the game which helped me arrive at the feeling that the game is "good".

[Lobos1988]

Well... getting all worked up about speculations in here... I think they deserve a chance to show us something before people come running with hayforks and torches...

[Althix]

I just find those examples interesting. and how you show those examples. that is all.

[Fast Jimmy]

LPPrince wrote...

What does?

I'm just saying, I didn't really enjoy DA2 all that much. So if DA3's average but enjoyable, my opinion of it will be an improvement over how I felt about the last game.

S'all I'm saying.

Though I want DA3 to be more than just average. I want and hope DA3 blows me away like DAO and Skyrim did.

I tried to find it, but I couldn't... I was looking for an image of the two Fry memes (Not Sure If and Take My Money!) that talked about Bioware.

On the left hand side, it said "Old Bioware" and had Fry thinking "Info looks decent... not sure if will buy..." and then a note underneath that said "Made by Bioware" and showed Fry saying "TAKE MY MONEY!"

Then, on the right hand side, it said "Today's Bioware" and had Fry thinking "This game looks awesome! TAKE MY MONEY!" and then a note underneath that said "Made by Bioware" and showed Fry thinking "Not sure if will buy..."


The pictures convey it better than my typing would. But the point is there.

People used to have an almost mythical opinion of what Bioware games would be like. Now it is an expectation that they will likely be mediocre and that anything above and beyond that would just be icing on the cake.

Just a little sad, I suppose. 

[ScotGaymer]

Oh right.

Okay.

Well like I said I feel like the storyline itself is fairly solid. Hawke is a pretty typical tragic hero and its a miracle he actually didn't die himself at the end. And it was a nice change from Bioware's usual fare in that sense.
Further the game play was pretty solid also, the streamlined talents and classes and such was really well done. Even the combat itself works fine mechanically (as opposed to the situational implementation of the combat which was admittedly horrible).
And the characterisation was really well done, not as good as DAO, but definately well done. I liked all of the characters in the game, except for Merill. I hated Merill. lol.

The game admittedly has issues, but for myself like I said I don't feel like it really falls down until the ending. Cos the ending sucks.

[Sanunes]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

What does?

I'm just saying, I didn't really enjoy DA2 all that much. So if DA3's average but enjoyable, my opinion of it will be an improvement over how I felt about the last game.

S'all I'm saying.

Though I want DA3 to be more than just average. I want and hope DA3 blows me away like DAO and Skyrim did.

I tried to find it, but I couldn't... I was looking for an image of the two Fry memes (Not Sure If and Take My Money!) that talked about Bioware.

On the left hand side, it said "Old Bioware" and had Fry thinking "Info looks decent... not sure if will buy..." and then a note underneath that said "Made by Bioware" and showed Fry saying "TAKE MY MONEY!"

Then, on the right hand side, it said "Today's Bioware" and had Fry thinking "This game looks awesome! TAKE MY MONEY!" and then a note underneath that said "Made by Bioware" and showed Fry thinking "Not sure if will buy..."


The pictures convey it better than my typing would. But the point is there.

People used to have an almost mythical opinion of what Bioware games would be like. Now it is an expectation that they will likely be mediocre and that anything above and beyond that would just be icing on the cake.

Just a little sad, I suppose. 

I think part of the problem with Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 and 3 with the difference between "old BioWare" and "new BioWare" is the older games didn't have sequels.  The only game where BioWare in the past made a sequel to their existing IP is Baulder's Gate.  So you don't have the complaints about how the game has changed from the previous ones and that would have been harder with Baulder's Gate since it was using the D&D systems so they had tigher rules to follow and it was before social media as well and I am fairly certain that has something to do with it.

[LPPrince]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

People used to have an almost mythical opinion of what Bioware games would be like. Now it is an expectation that they will likely be mediocre and that anything above and beyond that would just be icing on the cake.

Just a little sad, I suppose. 

Aye, that is sad.

[Fast Jimmy]

Sanunes wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

What does?

I'm just saying, I didn't really enjoy DA2 all that much. So if DA3's average but enjoyable, my opinion of it will be an improvement over how I felt about the last game.

S'all I'm saying.

Though I want DA3 to be more than just average. I want and hope DA3 blows me away like DAO and Skyrim did.

I tried to find it, but I couldn't... I was looking for an image of the two Fry memes (Not Sure If and Take My Money!) that talked about Bioware.

On the left hand side, it said "Old Bioware" and had Fry thinking "Info looks decent... not sure if will buy..." and then a note underneath that said "Made by Bioware" and showed Fry saying "TAKE MY MONEY!"

Then, on the right hand side, it said "Today's Bioware" and had Fry thinking "This game looks awesome! TAKE MY MONEY!" and then a note underneath that said "Made by Bioware" and showed Fry thinking "Not sure if will buy..."


The pictures convey it better than my typing would. But the point is there.

People used to have an almost mythical opinion of what Bioware games would be like. Now it is an expectation that they will likely be mediocre and that anything above and beyond that would just be icing on the cake.

Just a little sad, I suppose. 

I think part of the problem with Dragon Age 2 and Mass Effect 2 and 3 with the difference between "old BioWare" and "new BioWare" is the older games didn't have sequels.  The only game where BioWare in the past made a sequel to their existing IP is Baulder's Gate.  So you don't have the complaints about how the game has changed from the previous ones and that would have been harder with Baulder's Gate since it was using the D&D systems so they had tigher rules to follow and it was before social media as well and I am fairly certain that has something to do with it.

NWN had a sequel. But I do see what you are saying.

I think it might also have something to do with the Save Imports. 

[D1ck1e]

I hope they will, but I'm not expecting them to.

[LPPrince]

I remember I used to say that Bioware was the Pixar of video games and Pixar was the Bioware of movies.

[Althix]

it is a fan base Fast Jimmy. and also hope. perhaps it is a moveton and old joke but i am one of those who actually canceled preorder for da2. Because on example of bf3 game it is clear that EA interested in customers rather than fan base. Bf3 lost it's community, many esl players, awesome players are quit and removed that game from a hard drive and none of them made a preorder for bf4. Because as a customer i can choose to buy or not or "not sure if will buy".
This community stands on blind hope i think, that next game will be better, and what if it will not?

I saw that Ray Myzuka interview and how he voiced relationships between Bioware and EA. Very careful and very polite, with out any hint of vilification or throwing blames. But there is nothing free in this world, and if EA allows Bioware use resources it is obvious they want something in return. Something like profit. Less resources more money - good, otherwise bad. It is nothing new or bad it is just how this world works.

@ FitScotGaymer everybody hates Merrill.

[archangel1996]

Really, after DA2, ME2 and, most of all, ME3 the bar set is not that high
Personally, i enjoyed DA2 and ME2, they were at the same level of DA:O and ME1? Nope, and that is obvious, but they were, you know, good keeping a close eye
And then ME3 and the new attitude of many people at BW arrived and, well, i couldn't keep a close eye
Let's be honest, objectively ME and DA lived because of ME1 and DA:O...then everything went downhill, ME2 i was and i am ok because i "knew" that ME3 would have been been great as they sayed, it wasn't
They can go on and make average games (at best), they can, but if they do when the DA serie will be done many fans of will be done with BW for good

Modifié par archangel1996, 25 avril 2013 - 05:25 .

[Fast Jimmy]

I just have the impression that a mediocre DA3 (or a mediocre reception of DA3) will be devastating for Bioware right now. I don't think they will start shutting doors or handing out white slips if it doesn't sell 10 million copies or anything... but I do think there is a lot riding on DA3. For their reputation as well as their presentation as a viable business unit.

[Althix]

i don't think that da3 is a flagship of EA right now. BF4 is

[cJohnOne]

Nay, if the next ME sells well than Bioware will be fine.

[Nefla]

If you take out the interesting and memorable characters, what is DA2? Nothing. The characters are the only redeeming thing about that game. There are a few little tidbits that are nice but nothing you'd play a game for (better armor designs, I prefer the voiced protagonist but not to a large degree). If you took out the characters, there is nothing fun about DA2. There's no detailed, interesting, environmental eye candy to oogle, no fun and interesting mechanics (such as in AC) no memorable music, no exploration, no puzzles, no engaging (and branching) plot, etc...all you have left is a tiny un-detailed breadbox of a world where everything looks the same and you can't interact with anything. Collect money from a bunch of crazy people in that same dungeon you've been to a million times before. (go through 5 minute cave, fight crazed blood mages/templars/slavers/tal vashoth, rinse and repeat over and over and OVER) Then do more random tasks that are exactly the same as in act one(5 min cave then kill some guys) but you do it this time to appease the qunari then the mages/templars. Nothing interesting, engaging, or even anything that makes sense for you to be doing. Culture and lore is no longer shown through what happens in the game, you have to read about it in codex entries and it doesn't mesh with what you're actually being shown. I think after that and ME3 (which I think is actually worse in a lot of ways) the bar has pretty much fallen to the ground.

[Althix]

cJohnOne wrote...

Nay, if the next ME sells well than Bioware will be fine.

10kk people bought Diablo 3, Bioware and EA will be fine.

[Dutchess]

Nefla wrote...

If you take out the interesting and memorable characters, what is DA2? Nothing. The characters are the only redeeming thing about that game. There are a few little tidbits that are nice but nothing you'd play a game for (better armor designs, I prefer the voiced protagonist but not to a large degree). If you took out the characters, there is nothing fun about DA2. There's no detailed, interesting, environmental eye candy to oogle, no fun and interesting mechanics (such as in AC) no memorable music, no exploration, no puzzles, no engaging (and branching) plot, etc...all you have left is a tiny un-detailed breadbox of a world where everything looks the same and you can't interact with anything. Collect money from a bunch of crazy people in that same dungeon you've been to a million times before. (go through 5 minute cave, fight crazed blood mages/templars/slavers/tal vashoth, rinse and repeat over and over and OVER) Then do more random tasks that are exactly the same as in act one(5 min cave then kill some guys) but you do it this time to appease the qunari then the mages/templars. Nothing interesting, engaging, or even anything that makes sense for you to be doing. Culture and lore is no longer shown through what happens in the game, you have to read about it in codex entries and it doesn't mesh with what you're actually being shown. I think after that and ME3 (which I think is actually worse in a lot of ways) the bar has pretty much fallen to the ground.

Thank you. I agree 100%. It took me a long time to actually admit to myself I was not having fun while I stubbornly made my way through the game. With my first character the only concrete thing I knew I was playing for was the next part of my romance with Fenris (which involved many times of clicking on the guy, hoping that he would FINALLY have something to say after running off). Other than that I had no idea of the point and actual goal of the story. Just felt like I was drowning in random side quests.