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[AshenShug4r]

Arthur C. Clarke would even agree that the space magic employed in the ending is insulting in it's ridiculousness.

The lazarus project is just a poor plot tool.

[o Ventus]

Enhanced wrote...

Leviathan thrall races? Why do people keep forgetting that?

The Leviathan thrall races that we never see?

The theory behind these thrall races that is disproven numerous times throughout known history? Considering that history is apparently cyclical, it's logical to conclude that if there are N amounts of ones where the organics WIN in the inflict (read: almost every single time in this cycle and the previous), it numerically defeats the counter of 1 non-example, that being the Leviathans.

It basically comes down to "trust me on this, guys", compared to real world examples.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

The Leviathan thrall races that we never see?

The theory behind these thrall races that is disproven numerous times throughout known history? Considering that history is apparently cyclical, it's logical to conclude that if there are N amounts of ones where the organics WIN in the inflict (read: almost every single time in this cycle and the previous), it numerically defeats the counter of 1 non-example, that being the Leviathans.

It basically comes down to "trust me on this, guys", compared to real world examples.

It doesn't matter how many times the organics win. One total victory by synthetics would be all it would take to render all of our previous victories moot.

Not to mention that the thrall races likely only won because the Leviathans themselves stepped in with their psychic EMP wave thing.

[o Ventus]

Optimystic_X wrote...

It doesn't matter how many times the organics win. One total victory by synthetics would be all it would take to render all of our previous victories moot.

If we're stacking victories, then the synthetics wouldn't eventually win anyway. When EDI and Legion (2 of the most advanced synthetics met in the entire trilogy) point out how great an advantage organics have when it comes to ingenuity, it doesn't logicall follow that synthetics would just randomly win a total victory. Not that a "total" victory over the entire domain of organic life is at all scientifically possible (or would follow as a logical conclusion made by said synthetics) anyway.

Not to mention that the thrall races likely only won because the Leviathans themselves stepped in with their psychic EMP wave thing.

Whih is conjecture and isn't based in anything. Assuming Vendetta isn't a moron, time is cyclical. If time is cyclical (and quite literally every known example contradicts the Catalyst's insistence), then organics have nothing to fear. The only reason the thrall races would "lose" against synthetics is due to the Leviathans using their crude form of indoctrination.

[PsyrenY]

o Ventus wrote...

If we're stacking victories, then the synthetics wouldn't eventually win anyway. When EDI and Legion (2 of the most advanced synthetics met in the entire trilogy) point out how great an advantage organics have when it comes to ingenuity, it doesn't logicall follow that synthetics would just randomly win a total victory. Not that a "total" victory over the entire domain of organic life is at all scientifically possible (or would follow as a logical conclusion made by said synthetics) anyway.

Not ingenuity - unpredictability. But simple randomness isn't enough, as we clearly saw with the Reapers - even when the organics could react in ways they couldn't anticipate, they could still simply crush them with raw power. Same with the upgraded Geth - if you don't get the Quarians to stand down, they die.

Total annihilation of organic life is indeed scientifically impossible - it will keep coming back. However, keeping that organic life in the dark ages is pretty easy. The minute a civilization advances far enough to send a probe up, or blast a radio signal into deep space, a hostile synthetic race could find them and wipe them out. More organic races would arise somewhere else, but to borrow a line from Legion about the Heretics: "You cannot negotiate with them. They do not share your pity, remorse, or fear." They won't get bored, they won't get lazy, and they won't feel sorry for us. Should they decide to make sure organics are never again a threat, they could easily devote resources to patrolling the galaxy for just that purpose.

o Ventus wrote...
Which is conjecture and isn't based in anything.

Actually, it's based on a simple fact - even creating synthetics powerful enough to destroy themselves, the thrall races were incapable of using those synthetics to overthrow the Leviathans' rule. The entire galaxy was under their thumbs (so to speak) right up until the very first Reaper was born. So clearly the Leviathans were capable of dealing with the synthetic dangers that the subservient races were routinely unleashing, and dealing with them easily at that.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 24 avril 2013 - 04:17 .

[Indy_S]

Auld Wulf wrote...

You have a very close-minded view for someone who's advocating progression of an art form. If you're going to insult large groups of people, it's probably best not to ask them to do things for you at the same time.

[Xamufam]

Indy_S wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

You have a very close-minded view for someone who's advocating progression of an art form. If you're going to insult large groups of people, it's probably best not to ask them to do things for you at the same time.

true

[TheRealJayDee]

Uncle Jo wrote...

And another thread from Wulf which deserves the

1) Good to see this is still around, there wouldn't be a way to identify the really good threads without it.
2) Is there an updated version with the scary Seival avatar for the truly extraordinary threads?

Greylycantrope wrote...

Love ya JayDee

Love ya too  

[Benchpress610]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Well, I had hoped for better, I have to say. That's a fairly low-brow confirmation if you look back at it. Still, there are a few diamonds in the dirt. You know who you are.

It's like I keep saying, really. BSN is no NationStates.

Disappointing.

I think what I'm finding is that the BSN is a bit too blue collar, and that's why Synthesis is so hated. I think the 'fans' here just weren't ready for something like that. Yeah, it was a bit 2001. But why the hell not? Isn't it time that games started pulling those kinds of shenanigans?

If this topic screams anything, it's that the majority love their comfort zones.

Intellectual cowardice is disappointing.

Seival wrote...

+1

It's a human nature though. Only few people propel society forwards through the path of evolution. The rest of people are just a "stubborn plankton" - a mass that don't wanna any changes, but feel comfortable just floating were the stream flows. They see any change as a betrayal, and when they eventually forced to be changed, they think it was their own achievement and get used to that change as to many changes before that.

Plankton will never understand or like Synthesis idea until the idea will come true

JFC!!!! What a pair of self-congratulating, pompous, pseudo-intellectual elitist pr*cks. You both should be quiet for a moment and meditate on the virtues of modesty.

[Benchpress610]

Argolas wrote...
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That retrospectively kills the whole franchise because all those rules and consistencies that defined the universe suddenly have no meaning anymore. Anything can happen at any time for no reason. The universe we came to love is broken by that.

Nailed it!!! you sir/madam have summarized in three sentences thousands of pages of discussion, and exposed the crux of all what’s wrong with the ending.  

[Sheepie Crusher]

Every si- fi story the size of ME has things that make no sense, the reason they are tolerated is because they don't take the whole series with them. The ending on the other hand... well, you know

Modifié par Sheepie Crusher, 24 avril 2013 - 06:00 .

[Argolas]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Argolas wrote...
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That retrospectively kills the whole franchise because all those rules and consistencies that defined the universe suddenly have no meaning anymore. Anything can happen at any time for no reason. The universe we came to love is broken by that.

Nailed it!!! you sir/madam have summarized in three sentences thousands of pages of discussion, and exposed the crux of all what’s wrong with the ending.  

Thanks. It makes me sigh every time when people claim that it is stupid to hate Mass Effect for its ending because everything until then was great and the last 10 minutes can't change that. I say they can and they did.