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[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

. The Catalyst killed no one, just like Nature itself killed no one.

. I'm invoking Godwin. 

So Hitler dint kill anyone?  

[Cainhurst Crow]

People hate things they feel don't make sense to them inside their series because they have an arrogant sense of superiority of their product over other products. One major thing these kinds of people tend to do is demoralize and debase other franchises for their lack of being like the franchise they like. An easy way of doing this, is to claim that another series is less intelligent than your own favored series, and by extension those who like it are less intelligent. It's a horrid practice, but a common one, and so a despise of the more whimsical or fictitious of narrative devices is formed, and people call it marks of a bad game.

Now imagine the horror that must unfold within these individuals, when such a horrid blaspheme appears inside their games! Their marks of superiority! Surely it must be a mistake, that the authors who control the story were simply bungling idiots and incompetent charlatans whose true place was in one of those lesser, inferior series full of enjoyable plots and not hard science. Or perhaps the creators simply errored and experienced an oversight, or external forces outside anyone's control forced them to disgrace themselves into such a debased act of shame as to include a not so easily explained idea into the story of purity and virtue such as mass effect 1.

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Seival wrote...

Catalyst understands that, but you don't.

The Catalyst is a malfunctioning A.I. whose solution to problem with rebelling synthetics, was to liquify the members of every organic space faring species for all time.

Brilliant.

Where is the off switch again?

The Catalyst was not a mistake and works as intended. It sped up the evolution process to find an ideal solution to the problem. The Catalyst killed no one, just like Nature itself killed no one. Everything goes naturally, but much faster than usual.

Clearly you weren't playing the same game as everyone else because the Reapers are killing people by the millions constantly. People are dying to Reaper weaponry within five minutes of the game starting.

To say that it's all natrual is frankly bullsh*t. The Catalyst is a synthetic, by definition, it's not natural, it's purpose is and attempt to subvert the supposed natrual order of things. If it were all natural, organic life would apparently have died out by now. 

I know you're ignoring me, but I still like constantly undermining your arguments. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 22 avril 2013 - 10:48 .

[Taboo]

The implication is that anyone who fails to recognize the truth of the author’s assertion is not an intellectual, and thus the reader had best recognize that necessity.

Argumentum ad Populum. A fallacy.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

. The Catalyst killed no one, just like Nature itself killed no one.

. I'm invoking Godwin. 

So Hitler dint kill anyone?  

Was his goal to preserve the nature's balance, and convert all consumed lives into something greater?

Was his goal to create new lives to replace the consumed ones?

Modifié par Seival, 22 avril 2013 - 10:48 .

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

. The Catalyst killed no one, just like Nature itself killed no one.

. I'm invoking Godwin. 

So Hitler dint kill anyone?  

Was his goal to preserve the nature's balance, and convert all consumed lives into something greater?

. According to him, yeah.

[Han Shot First]

Seival wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Seival wrote...

Catalyst understands that, but you don't.

The Catalyst is a malfunctioning A.I. whose solution to problem with rebelling synthetics, was to liquify the members of every organic space faring species for all time.

Brilliant.

Where is the off switch again?

The Catalyst was not a mistake and works as intended. It sped up the evolution process to find an ideal solution to the problem. The Catalyst killed no one, just like Nature itself killed no one. Everything goes naturally, but much faster than usual.

So the Leviathans intended for their A.I. to rebel, liquify its masters, and turn them into the first Reapers?

[Taboo]

Seival wrote...

Was his goal to preserve the nature's balance, and convert all consumed lives into something greater?

If you were killed tonight and your DNA preserved in a lab would you be pleased? Or would you react like everyone else in the world? Like the terrified animal we all are?

[Wulfram]

It's the wrong sort of made up sci-fi nonsense. It's the inverse of sticking Midichlorians in Star Wars. Note that Biotics ran on Midichlorians from the start, effectively.

Also, it's gibberish. Being unrealistic shouldn't stop stuff from being logical and coherent.

[Han Shot First]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...


Nothing has to be annihilated.
Changes are inevitable, because they form evolution.

Catalyst understands that, but you don't.

Catalyst acts like the nature itself creating more lives than it has consumed. Better lives.
The Catalyst just sped up the process, nothing more.
Galactic civilization is much more threat to itself than the Catalyst and the Reapers.

***

Im sorry what was tha?  I can't hear you over the Reapers creating life.

I can link you much more ugly and realistic images of natural life-death circle, but I think you'll become too depressed after watching them.

You'll have to speak up, the sound is deafening.

Dat life.

[Argolas]

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

[rapscallioness]

You know the suits are gonna jump right on in w/this synth/organic stuff.

They're gonna pipe a signal right thru your skull. Ads flashing over your eyes....oh..lol. This is what they want.

Suits support Synthesis.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

. The Catalyst killed no one, just like Nature itself killed no one.

. I'm invoking Godwin. 

So Hitler dint kill anyone?  

Was his goal to preserve the nature's balance, and convert all consumed lives into something greater?

. According to him, yeah.

According to himself and according his actions his goal had nothing to do with preserving nature's balance or creating new lives. Learn history, please.

[iOnlySignIn]

I love it when people use big words in ways that are slightly off from their intended meaning.

Also please keep telling me more about how science and scientists work. It is fascinating.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 22 avril 2013 - 10:52 .

[Astartes Marine]

Seival wrote...
The Catalyst killed no one

I'd heard Seival was frakking crazy, but I didn't know it was completely true.  I'd figured it was just a joke.  I wish it was just a joke. 

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...


According to himself and according his actions his goal had nothing to do with preserving nature's balance or creating new lives. Learn history, please.

. He makes this clear in Mein Kampf,  he wants to restore the world by ridding it of undesirables.  He wants to usher in a new age of Aryan dominance.  

[MegaSovereign]

Seival, if you approve of the Reapers so much, why even go on an adventure that is dead set on stopping them?

Don't you see how the narrative doesn't want you to think that the Reapers are all that great? Do you really need help to see that?

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 22 avril 2013 - 10:54 .

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

According to himself and according his actions his goal had nothing to do with preserving nature's balance or creating new lives. Learn history, please.

He considered the rule of the Aryan nature's balance. He created new life by encouraging Germans to have as many children as possible.

[AresKeith]

While the concept of Synthesis is Sci-fi, what Bioware did in the ending and how it's executed is not sci-fi and is straight up fantasy nonsense

And Seival has once again showed that he's either a terrible troll or has no idea what he's talking about again

Modifié par AresKeith, 22 avril 2013 - 10:56 .

[frostajulie]

Auld Wulf wrote...

This is worth a read.

One of the things that always confused me with the Mass Effect fanbase is its fetishism of fact, even in a fictional story, to go so far as to say that canon isn't canon. The hatred for the Lazarus Project and Synthesis, in the face of stupendously smart men like Arthur C. Clarke pointing out the fatal flaw with that kind of thinking. This is why I still think that Synthesis goes over the head of the average fan, and incites pitchforks and torches raised in anger with screams of abomination, embracing hatred and fear over erudite understanding.

See, here's a thing: Science-Fiction is fiction. Fiction deals with dreams, ideals, and symbolism. It would be very, very bad fiction if it didn't, and there's already enough bad fiction out there. It's attractive to think of Today being Forever, it's comforting and familiar. It's like the little cardboard box you'll never creep out of, making the average person intellectually a hermit crab. When I look at fiction, I see tales of what could be, what might be, and what potentialities exist. Synthesis is attractive to me because it is a potentiality.

As a fun what if, a little thought exercise as you know I like those, what if all alien life in the galactic community is already wired into an AI in order to achieve complete understanding of their own race? What if the ultimate test of nature is to achieve that complete understanding? What if this is our test? The test of each sapient race. Every planet is fragile, every planet can only last so long with its inhabitants draining resources and slowly killing it. What if the greatest test for any sapient race is to pull together as a whole, with complete understanding of every other person, sharing themselves in a state of understanding, sans suffering?

Whta if that's what alien races had seen time and again? If you can escape your planet by gaining global understanding, and working towards the mutual goal of being spaceborne, then you pass. If you fail, then you won't be around to care about it. Stephen Hawking warns us of confining ourselves to earth. So what if? What if the galactic community is waiting and watching? That is but one idea, and an idea is a powerful thing. Fiction is about ideas. Romance, potentiality, what could we be, one day?

Fiction is a beautiful thing.

Does it matter if fiction isn't mired too much in modern day fact? I'd say no. Star Trek was a hilarious fabrication of pseudoscience and it was well loved. And at times, Star Trek was art. You see, when you ground fiction in fact too much, you're binding it in chains, tying it down with the weight and burden of expectation to be real, you're limiting it, you're telling it what it can't be, and where it can't go. But for fiction to be art, in any way, it has to be free. I believe that... in its own way? Synthesis was art. It's a powerful idea, as part of fiction.

I feel if you don't get that, then you don't understand why we have fiction in the first place. Why we bother to create, explore, or reach for the stars. And if you don't understand that, then what point is there to getting out of bed each morning? Human imagination is powered by ideals, not facts. When a Scientist works on a theory, they're fashioning various could be's and pontentialities, working imaginary numbers, and sometimes even just throwing things at the wall until something sticks. It's the idea that propels us forward, it's the idea that makes us special.

Synthesis was a culmination of everything that had come before it, of everything we'd seen and done, and in the end it presented us with a new potentiality; A symbolic dream of a far-flung future. What drives us is the want to understand and even realise ideas. The worst thing you could ever do is to want to dismiss or destroy an idea. Ideas are what we are.

I agree.

Now where is my conventional victory with refuse.  If Synthesis can happen so can my conventional victory with refuse.

[Seival]

Argolas wrote...

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

One day people deified and feared fire. We both know what happened next.

[spirosz]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

One day people deified and feared fire. We both know what happened next.

Chaos. 

[dreamgazer]

Ah yes, rejecting synthesis is part and parcel with it going over people's heads, and clearly it reflects poorly on their intellectual and/or existential awareness.

You're adorable, Auld Wulf. Keep on thumping that strawman.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

One day people deified and feared fire. We both know what happened next.

. Fire didnt




Fire gave warmth and light and protection.  The Catalyst just destroys so he can destroy again.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

One day people deified and feared fire. We both know what happened next.

BSN powerbombed Seival ?