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[spirosz]

Another thread covered up in trying to say people who picked Destroy are radical or whatever chosen word you liked to use in the past, love it.   And I'll just quote this, since you're of a higher intellect than me, Wulf.  

Oh, what's the lydian scale of A major? 

Archonsg wrote...
If you are happy with it, hey its your game, your Shepard and your perception of what you think is a "good" for your game. 

Just don't presume to think that others who do not like Synthesis are of lesser intellect.

Modifié par spirosz, 22 avril 2013 - 11:03 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

One day people deified and feared fire. We both know what happened next.

What a stupid analogy. Fire doesn't have a motive, and it doesn't hunt people down and kill them. 

[Straw Nihilist]

Things to take from this poll: Seival is bat sh*t crazy.

[Astartes Marine]

Det. Bones wrote...
Things to take from this poll: Seival is bat sh*t crazy.

Seconded.  And I'd thought I'd seen all the loony that BSN can throw...

[Ravensword]

I chose Synthesis. After reading Seival's posts, I regret it now.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Det. Bones wrote...
Things to take from this poll: Seival is bat sh*t crazy.

Seconded.  And I'd thought I'd seen all the loony that BSN can throw...

lol, seival is at least predictable, anything crazy involving reapers = seival probably belives it.

[Straw Nihilist]

Ravensword wrote...

I chose Synthesis. After reading Seival's posts, I regret it now.

yeah... This tbh.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...


According to himself and according his actions his goal had nothing to do with preserving nature's balance or creating new lives. Learn history, please.

. He makes this clear in Mein Kampf,  he wants to restore the world by ridding it of undesirables.  He wants to usher in a new age of Aryan dominance.  

That is called "crusade". Crusades are just a "clash of clans", a barbaric war for the territory, resources, and dominance. This is no more evolution than fight between two males because of female. Intelligent beings are above that, their evolution already left those primitive ways behind, and moved further.

So please, don't compare tribal leader with large stone club with advanced AI.

Modifié par Seival, 22 avril 2013 - 11:11 .

[Argolas]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival, if your Shepard really thinks like that, I'd be very afraid of your post-Control galaxy. I might consider suicide.

One day people deified and feared fire. We both know what happened next.

What a stupid analogy. Fire doesn't have a motive, and it doesn't hunt people down and kill them. 

Actually, that ancient super-intelligent as-much-an-AI-as-humans-are-just-animals is probably about the same as a basic chemical reaction. Seems legit.

Edit: Ooh, even more glorious together with this:

Seival wrote...

So please, don't compare tribal leader with large stone club with advanced AI.

Yummy

Modifié par Argolas, 22 avril 2013 - 11:11 .

[spirosz]

Seival wrote...

a barbaric war for the territory, resources, and dominance.

Reapers take territory by barbaric means, resources and dominance. 

[AresKeith]

*facepalm at Sevial

can you just stop posting now

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...


So please, don't compare tribal leader with large stone club with advanced AI.

. Why not?

 They seem to be pretty similar.  Both think they are cleansing the world and ushering in a new age.  Both advocate the extermination of those they deem unfit for survival.  And both are dead:devil:.


Besides if the Catalyst was so advanced he'd see the futility of his cycle and would abandon it once Shepard reached him.  He wouldn't need to give him choices.

[Mangalores]

[quote]David7204 wrote...


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Goddamn, passive-aggressive enough? "I don't have a problem with it all, except it's total crap. It's just my opinion."

This logic is just stupid. Cerberus is not dumb because they're terrorists. And a technological feat being pulled off by very specific people with a very specific motivation and very specific resources for a very specific circumstance is nowhere close to a guarentee that a technology will be in circulation.
[/quote]

Calm down. I thought we were speaking about the tech. My complaint is purely concerning the narrative.

Except that technology would be really useful and you not being dumb doesn't mean you can design a jet plane. Simple as that. If a covertly funded organization can do something so beneficial to living standards and a company's cashflow a publicly funded organization can do it ten times over. By your reckoning everyone but Cerberus must be dumb as bread. It's the narrative troubles of introducing awesome tech as a plot device (never to be heard of again) instead of a vehicle to propel it. If Shepard had gotten a Frankensteinkomplex from it like Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell it would have a place in the story. If it just were in there to show how advanced medical technology is in the galaxy, it would have a place in the story. As it is, it's a cheap plot device to shove you from A to B without thinking too hard.

It's not evil to point that out.

[Straw Nihilist]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...


According to himself and according his actions his goal had nothing to do with preserving nature's balance or creating new lives. Learn history, please.

. He makes this clear in Mein Kampf, he wants to restore the world by ridding it of undesirables. He wants to usher in a new age of Aryan dominance.

That is called "crusade". Crusades are just a "clash of clans", a barbaric war for the territory, resources, and dominance. This is no more evolution than fight between two males because of female. Intelligent beings are above that, their evolution already left those primitive ways behind, and moved further.

So please, don't compare tribal leader with large stone club with advanced AI.

B*tch please. I'm an intelligent being and I headbutted a guy over a girl two days ago. Refute that, I dare you, I double dare you.

[Seival]

Det. Bones wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I chose Synthesis. After reading Seival's posts, I regret it now.

yeah... This tbh.

0/10

You both never chosen Synthesis.

[themikefest]

You can have your synthesis ending.

me I choose destroy every time all the time.

[DeinonSlayer]

Allow me to provide another article:

Magic A is Magic A

It's a basic precept of fiction writing. The audience is willing to suspend disbelief to a very generous degree, but once the writer establishes the rules of the story universe, in the interest of their audience's continued interest (and sanity), it's in their best interest to follow the rules they made up.

"We don't ask that you stay within the bounds of physics, but at least follow the rules you freaking made up."

Putting aside the ethical considerations surrounding all three endings, Synthesis has no narrative foreshadowing, no logical mechanism for its implementation, and no basis in either real-life science or that which was established for the Mass Effect universe. It got pulled out of a hat at the last minute, and a good number of us aren't willing to simply accept it without question. To an extent, Destroy and Control do this as well, though they don't do as thorough a job of mangling the story universe as the oft-professed "utopia button" ending.

[adayaday]

God i love this kind of threads,someone pass the popcorn.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Seival wrote...

Det. Bones wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

I chose Synthesis. After reading Seival's posts, I regret it now.

yeah... This tbh.

0/10

You both never chosen Synthesis.

[Seival]

Det. Bones wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...


According to himself and according his actions his goal had nothing to do with preserving nature's balance or creating new lives. Learn history, please.

. He makes this clear in Mein Kampf, he wants to restore the world by ridding it of undesirables. He wants to usher in a new age of Aryan dominance.

That is called "crusade". Crusades are just a "clash of clans", a barbaric war for the territory, resources, and dominance. This is no more evolution than fight between two males because of female. Intelligent beings are above that, their evolution already left those primitive ways behind, and moved further.

So please, don't compare tribal leader with large stone club with advanced AI.

B*tch please. I'm an intelligent being and I headbutted a guy over a girl two days ago. Refute that, I dare you, I double dare you.

If so, then your intelligence is closer to a monkey than to a human, I'm afraid. Did you learn to talk and persuade just for show, or those skills were given to you for a purpose? Couldn't you solve the situation peacefully? Or your opponent was another monkey?

Modifié par Seival, 22 avril 2013 - 11:20 .

[Argolas]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Allow me to provide another article:

Magic A is Magic A

It's a basic precept of fiction writing. The audience is willing to suspend disbelief to a very generous degree, but once the writer establishes the rules of the story universe, in the interest of their audience's continued interest (and sanity), it's in their best interest to follow the rules they made up.

"We don't ask that you stay within the bounds of physics, but at least follow the rules you freaking made up."

Putting aside the ethical considerations surrounding all three endings, Synthesis has no narrative foreshadowing, no logical mechanism for its implementation, and no basis in either real-life science or that which was established for the Mass Effect universe. It got pulled out of a hat at the last minute, and a good number of us aren't willing to simply accept it without question. To an extent, Destroy and Control do this as well, though they don't do as thorough a job of mangling the story universe as the oft-professed "utopia button" ending.

Tried to make that point back on page 1. Good luck to you.

[spirosz]

I really don't understand it, I personally am not trying to take away your satisfaction or ability to pick what ending you want, you want Synthesis and you truly believe it's the best solution and or chose for Shepard, by all means, go for it. Any ending, by that matter - pick what makes you happy for your game, you shouldn't call others or look down on others because they pick a certain ending or even have the audacity to believe you understand why THEY pick the ending, based off YOUR beliefs and what shaped you...

You did not live their live, experience what they experienced, gone through what some people have, each individual takes different values from said ending and game, but neither is more right or "better, smarter" than the other, Wulf.

[Steelcan]

@Deinon, I'm sure someone will bring up how peace between the quarians and geth is construed as foreshadowing synthesis, especially when talking about the suits.

[Straw Nihilist]

Spoilers: I don't think he knows how to troll.. Or be semi-sane.

[Eain]

A setting being fictional doesn't give the author license to go around doing whatever the hell he wants. Synthesis existing in Mass Effect is no more logical than it existing in Terminator.

Modifié par Eain, 22 avril 2013 - 11:21 .