Costin_Razvan wrote...
Oghren, Sten, Leliana, Zevran, Wynne and even Loghain show emotion.
Oghren is sad about his wife and even still loves her till the anvil, but then he will kill her, because he knows it might be the best thing to do.
Sten kills a family in cold blood with his bare hands, but realizes perfectly well what he has done, he allow himself to be captured as a result, and does regret what he did.
Leliana cares about every life, yet she still will stand by your side even if you do horrible crimes( hardened especially ) because she knows how important the blight is, ( well save destroying the urn, but that is just being a dick and nothing else )
Zevran is an assasin, a cold blooded one, yet he still won't approve if you leave Vaughn alive or try and slaughter the Dalish.
Wynne will only go against you if you destroy the urn, or well flat out try and destroy the Circle without even trying to find the whole story. She will stand by you even when you do terrible things, because she knows what will happen if the darkspawn are not stopped at all costs.
Loghain regrets what he did/allowed Howe to do after Ostagar, he will state it flatly that he should be the one to die and not you against the Archdemon, and he will follow your commands, even if he doesn't like them at all.
What does Alistair do? The only thing he shows is his own SELFISH needs. He lies to you because he is afraid, even though the reason Loghain even sends assassins after you is because of HIM. He says he doesn't want the throne at all, and when you say you support Anora he is very relieved in fact.
However when the moment comes to make decision that IS NOT being a dick, a decision every single of your other companions doesn't disagree with, he throws a hissy fit because you WANT TO SPARE THE LIFE OF A MAN, even though he is ALWAYS pissed if you suggest killing people in cold blood. He doesn't even realize what he is doing by killing Loghain, he doesn't realize he is taking the life of a man.
That is why I hate Alistair, every other companion shows they can care more then their own selfish needs, yet Alistair does not,
That being said I never killed him, because I feel a sense of loyalty to even the most backstabing selfish dicks, simply because they followed me for some time.
Except Leliana is happy to abandon the mission the Maker set before you and try to kill you because your beliefs don't match hers. What if your character believed the Risen Andrasteans? Oh, now your beliefs don't match Leli's so she abandons the mission, her quest and tries to kill the wardens (because she'll attack Alistair as well) trying to save the land in order to enforce her own brand of zealotry.
Wynne will turn on you if you prove to be a blood mage, even though Grey Wardens do not prohibit blood magic. Ditto for the templars. You are no longer a Circle mage, but despite doing what is necessary to save the land, they're more than happy to leave it without a Warden so they can fulfill their own moral goals. Same for the Ashes, though Wynne's never seemed profoundly devout, all of a sudden there, she is.
Sten let himself be captured because he lost his sword and couldn't return, it had nothing to do with the family he killed. It was more suicide because he couldn't return home. If he found that sword outside the house after killing the family, I doubt he would have stuck around to be caged. He'll attack the warden in Haven because he believes he should lead.
Morrigan's motives and every good thing she says/does are highly suspicious because she has been specifically sent there to have the demon baby. She's proven more than adept at saying or doing whatever she needs to in order to get what she wants, and no reason you should believe her clumsy claims of love/sisterhood. Her coulors show true when you deny her the demon baby. She leaves without a backward glance, spitting invectives at you the whole way.
Zev tries to kill you if you don't sufficiently flatter and coo at him, Shale tries to kill you if you go for a pragmatic use of the Anvil. As Ohgren says, there would be many dwarves volunteering to go under the Anvil in defense of their home. You possibly doom the dwarven nation because of Shale's moral compass (and Ohgren's... and Caradin's).
I don't understand why all these people constantly get a pass and Alistair deciding not to go with your party at the Landsmeet is somehow Worse Than Anything Ever. If you follow the dialogue with Anora afterward, she states that he is insisting on fighting. He does go to the battle, just not with you (incidentally, just like Riordan did). And that makes a tactical sense of its own. Why put all three wardens in the same group where one ambush could doom everything? He even regrets what he says and does afterward, whether you chose to believe it.
I think that some of the writing in the Landmeet is a little heavy handed, but compairing Alistair and Loghain there, I can't see where people think Loghain is the better choice than Alistair. Loghain did more than kill the king, he killed hundreds, perhaps thousands of men. He left the south open to the Darkspawn, and pulled his troops from a tactical point that could be held to turn the tide. He turned away armies that could assist in stopping the Blight. He conscripted the leaders and protectors of the people for his personal army so he could use it to attack more of his own people and foster a civil war, leaving whole villages and bannorns undefended. Possibly tens of thousands of people died helplessly while he used their protectors to gain political power so he could rule a destroyed nation. He and his henchment imprisoned and tortured anyone who disagreed with them. And he didn't send the assassin to kill Alistair, he sent the assassin to kill the warden. It's your picture they are passing around everywhere and your description, not Alistair's.
Every decision he has made has been to entrench his own power at the expense of a nation he claims to represent because the war that brought him fame was being forgotten. He did all of this just to secure himself the fame and power he thought he deserved, including imprisoning his daughter and murdering the King for selfish, vain reasons. He's given you no reason to trust him and it is a huge leap to take him into the wardens "y'know, just because". If you need more wardens, there are a thousand better options, many of whom wouldn't literally stab you in the back for asking for help.
Anyway, one essay later, all characters in the game are flawed and Alistair is one of them. Allowing everyone else a pass and making Alistair out to be some sort of monster is a bit odd. I find Leliana and Morrigan insufferable and make every effort never to have them in the party. To each his own, and so forth.
Seeing as I'm a heterosexual male, I most certainly can ignore that.
However, I won't hold that against people that can't. It's not that I have a problem with people loving Alistair, or hating Loghain, which I do, btw, I really don't like Loghain much at all, I just don't like Alistair, and between the two, I find I like Loghain more. Don't get all excited, both are still in negative approval, it's just that Alistair's is lower than Loghain's.
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