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[The-Fantasm]

ToYz_R_RusH wrote...

I used my avenger X / TGI in a platinum game yesterday and topped the leader board. Sure, there are other weapons that are more powerful, but powerful != fun. Who cares what weapon someone brings into a game... judge them by their performance instead of their looks.

There is a difference between a gun at level X and one at level I.. Though with the Avenger I doubt it's too much.

[sandboxgod]

I think Upinya told me a gun gains 2.5x dmg bonus at each level. An Avenger X is much more powerful than an Avenger I. [edit] Some number cruncher has a detailed chart that shows the progression. I'm just a humble console peasant w/o access to the stats

I want to see some people take a Day 1 character and beat Platnium. I'd be impressed there

Modifié par sandboxgod, 23 avril 2013 - 02:24 .

[BurningLiquor]

sandboxgod wrote...

I think Upinya told me a gun gains 2.5x dmg bonus at each level. An Avenger X is much more powerful than an Avenger I. [edit] Some number cruncher has a detailed chart that shows the progression. I'm just a humble console peasant w/o access to the stats

I want to see some people take a Day 1 character and beat Platnium. I'd be impressed there

Not even close to the correct value.

Most guns get a 2.5-3% damage increase per level. That means about 25-30% bonus damage at level X.

Avenger I is terrible. The Avenger X does about 25% more damage, and it's still terrible.

[Tallgeese_VII]

OniGanon wrote...

The game doesn't really do a good job of indicating that new players are supposed to start on Bronze.

So you get new players coming in all the time, having finished Insanity SP and thinking they can waltz into the MP on the highest difficulty...

Also, I think Platinum might be the default difficulty and you have to specifically change it in the search menu?

I think default difficulty setting for search is 'Any'
...which should be used by a player with maxed manifest only...

[BurningLiquor]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

The game doesn't really do a good job of indicating that new players are supposed to start on Bronze.

So you get new players coming in all the time, having finished Insanity SP and thinking they can waltz into the MP on the highest difficulty...

Also, I think Platinum might be the default difficulty and you have to specifically change it in the search menu?

I think default difficulty setting for search is 'Any'
...which should be used by a player with maxed manifest only...

I thought the default search settings are Unknown/Collectors/Platinum?

[NuclearTech76]

Long as they put on equipment, I don't usually give a damn even on Platinum. I want to at least see them commit some equipment where I know they will not bail in mid game though.

[Pugz82]

Even if they use equipment they suck...they are brand new to the game, what kind of equipment do you expect them to have? Yea that AR Amp 1 will totally help your Avenger II on Platinum lol.

I have had at least 4 or 5 N7 25 or lower join my platinum games today. They are awful and usually rage quit wave 1.

[sandboxgod]

BurningLiquor wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

I think Upinya told me a gun gains 2.5x dmg bonus at each level. An Avenger X is much more powerful than an Avenger I. [edit] Some number cruncher has a detailed chart that shows the progression. I'm just a humble console peasant w/o access to the stats

I want to see some people take a Day 1 character and beat Platnium. I'd be impressed there

Not even close to the correct value.

Most guns get a 2.5-3% damage increase per level. That means about 25-30% bonus damage at level X.

Avenger I is terrible. The Avenger X does about 25% more damage, and it's still terrible.

One of us must really suck at math because 2.5% x 10 (Level X) = 25% 

[edit] fixed spelling. So to be clear, all you just did was repeat what I just said which is very strange

Modifié par sandboxgod, 23 avril 2013 - 03:10 .

[BurningLiquor]

sandboxgod wrote...

BurningLiquor wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

I think Upinya told me a gun gains 2.5x dmg bonus at each level. An Avenger X is much more powerful than an Avenger I. [edit] Some number cruncher has a detailed chart that shows the progression. I'm just a humble console peasant w/o access to the stats

I want to see some people take a Day 1 character and beat Platnium. I'd be impressed there

Not even close to the correct value.

Most guns get a 2.5-3% damage increase per level. That means about 25-30% bonus damage at level X.

Avenger I is terrible. The Avenger X does about 25% more damage, and it's still terrible.

One of us most really suck at math because 2.5% x 10 (Level X) = 25% 

Isn't that what I said? The Avenger X does 25% more damage than Avenger I.

I wasn't clear enough or something?

[sandboxgod]

You just said "Not even close to the correct value" which makes absolutely no sense too me but whatever I gotta run

[BurningLiquor]

sandboxgod wrote...

BurningLiquor wrote...

sandboxgod wrote...

I think Upinya told me a gun gains 2.5x dmg bonus at each level. An Avenger X is much more powerful than an Avenger I. [edit] Some number cruncher has a detailed chart that shows the progression. I'm just a humble console peasant w/o access to the stats

I want to see some people take a Day 1 character and beat Platnium. I'd be impressed there

Not even close to the correct value.

Most guns get a 2.5-3% damage increase per level. That means about 25-30% bonus damage at level X.

Avenger I is terrible. The Avenger X does about 25% more damage, and it's still terrible.

One of us must really suck at math because 2.5% x 10 (Level X) = 25% 

[edit] fixed spelling. So to be clear, all you just did was repeat what I just said which is very strange

No, I did not repeat what you said. You said that a gun gains 2.5x damage bonus per level.

There is a huge difference between 2.5x and 2.5%.

[FateNeverEnds]

BurningLiquor wrote...

Avenger I is terrible. The Avenger X does about 25% more damage, and it's still terrible.

I beg your pardon, sir, but I disagree.



Not even those spawns nuked on wave 11 helped those unfortunate peeps that crossed in the way of the mighty Avenger. They all quit as soon as the match was over 

[lktalon22]

Faust29A wrote...

Funny you should post this; just this morning, I strapped my Avenger (VI, seriously) onto my grenade-less vanilla human level 14 soldier and went to London on a Platinum date with Reapers. Granted, I did this alone just to see how horrible it would be.

I'm a scrub and I died the expected scrubby death, but I cost no one (not even myself because, get real, I don't want to spaff limited supplies on such a horrible outing) any consumables.

You sooo had me going! I was expecting some heroic tale of how you overcame overwhelming odds and carried a team of BoB's and Lone Wolves!!!

But you didnt...

Bump.

[Meeeps]

RedJohn wrote...

I would never kick a new player, never, it doesn't matter if they come with an Avenger 1 on my platinum lobby, I will carry them

You really think, it is fun for those to be carried through a Platinum? If you are new, you are also very happy about a Bronce game, just damn tell them. (instead carry them send them a friend request if they don't answer on voice chat)

[sandboxgod]

BurningLiquor wrote...


No, I did not repeat what you said. You said that a gun gains 2.5x damage bonus per level.

There is a huge difference between 2.5x and 2.5%.

What is wrong with you? I meant 2.5% obviously

[BurningLiquor]

sandboxgod wrote...

BurningLiquor wrote...


No, I did not repeat what you said. You said that a gun gains 2.5x damage bonus per level.

There is a huge difference between 2.5x and 2.5%.

What is wrong with you? I meant 2.5% obviously

Of course. 

[SafetyShattered]

Oh dude, I know what you mean. I've seen people doing this and it drives me crazy. I mean honestly. what the crap do they hope to accomplish? Besides dying 100 hundred times? Because that's all the avenger 1 is going to accomplish on plat.

[sandboxgod]

Here's the actual damage scaling chart btw

FateNeverEnds wrote...

BurningLiquor wrote...

Avenger I is terrible. The Avenger X does about 25% more damage, and it's still terrible.

I beg your pardon, sir, but I disagree.



Not even those spawns nuked on wave 11 helped those unfortunate peeps that crossed in the way of the mighty Avenger. They all quit as soon as the match was over 

Agreed, I've had good success bringing commons to Gold+ for the weapon challenges. Was surprised to see myself scoring so much with Mantis X and Raptor X

[MaxCrushmore]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

Long as they put on equipment, I don't usually give a damn even on Platinum. I want to at least see them commit some equipment where I know they will not bail in mid game though.

Agreed

Although if someone is using a low level Avenger, it means they don't have consumables to use (or even a properly leveled piece of permanent gear)

Even in the video link posted on the first page, those are two quality, experienced players using max weapon and ammo consumables ... and it still takes them a god awful amount of time to take down anything ...

A new player w/o consumables would have an epic battle with a plat husk to take it down

[Kuato Livezz]

To be fair, new players soon realize the amount of unlocks that exist, then get a whiff of amount of credits that are available in Platinum so they join platinum in hopes a team will carry them. If there is one "Avenger I" type player in the lobby, I am ok with that. Anymore and its just going to be too difficult for me.

[codsquallic]

parico wrote...

Centaur Lou wrote...

It'd be nice if in upcoming ME MP there were certain criteria you had to reach to start playing silver, gold then platinum.

I said that too but many here dont seem to agree should made a set number of extractions on each difficulty or something.  

I agree, pugging in Platinum is too much, too many fools out there that couldn't even make it through a wave without someone good to carry them. Ideally it would be nice if they had to have played X number of waves at each difficulty to be allowed into higher difficulties. Even if it was only 100 at each level.

[AR700SAW]

sandboxgod wrote...

Additionally, N7 is not a great measure of experience. Instead they should use the "Number of Games Played" stat which is essentially what Halo 4 uses

This. So much this. I'd much prefer to be able to see the games played (at least in addition to N7 and challenge points), it seems like it'd make judging people in the lobbies so much more accurate. Heck, maybe even when you click on them in the lobby it comes up with the total games played in each difficulty (bronze, silver, gold and platinum) so you can get a rough idea of how used to that level they are.

Modifié par AR700SAW, 23 avril 2013 - 07:52 .