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[vicendor]

 I have a few questions about the final battle and I hope some of you can englighten me to the answers I seek...

My question is of all the companions...who lives and who dies?

I all ready know for a fact that Khelgar lives (hes in SOZ if I recall correctly) and that Ammon Jerro lives (Hes in MOTB if I recall correctly) but beyond those two I do not know the "canon" fates if you will.  I recently completed the orignial campaign for the 3rd time (Had not played it for 2-3 years so I didn't remember much) and the only person who betrayed me was Sand (Even Bishop refused to fight me and ran away)

So beyond Khelgar and Ammon Jerro who clearly survived the ordeal...did anyone else?  Thank you in advance if you know the answers!  If it matters, I was playing an Aasimar Paladin who romanced Elanee.

Modifié par vicendor, 23 avril 2013 - 06:10 .

[Tchos]

Okay, here are the major spoilers.

In MotB, you can ask Ammon Jerro what he knew of what happened to the companions. How canon it is depends on whether you trust that he was telling the truth, but there doesn't seem to have been any reason for him to lie.    I opened his conversation in the toolset, and copied out his answers.

Sand:
"The mage's gift for transmutation may have saved him. As the roof caved in, I heard him reciting words of magic... one of his favored spells. I am fairly certain he finished before the worst of the rubble fell. If he chose his form carefully - an iron golem, say - there is a good chance he lives."  (This is assuming you didn't kill him.)

Qara:
"I did not witness it with my own eyes, but she was not among those I saw among the rubble. She was most likely buried alive."

Elanee:
"The elf girl stood close to you, to the very end. Her body was pinned beneath a slab of stone not far from where you fell. No doubt it was meant for you."

Grobnar:
"For some inexplicable reason, the gnome threw himself across that golem of his to protect it from harm as a pillar fell atop the both of them. I did not have long to look, but I saw neither of them stir beneath it."

...unless you never built the construct, in which case he says:
"I do not think he made it far. As we ran, in the distance I heard him call out, asking that we wait. He claimed that he had nearly worked out a tune for a song that would reverse the collapse of the fortress, or some such nonsense. He remained behind."

Neeshka:
"I do not know if it was that coin of hers, or someone watching over her from below, but she avoided missteps at every turn. She leaped over every crevice, tumbled past every rock. She was out in front of us when the final collapse occurred - a wall of debris may have been all that prevented her from joining me in your pursuit."

Casavir:
"His back gave out as he stood under a collapsing doorway, trying to keep it intact so the rest of us might pass through it. It seemed a fitting end for one who followed his chivalrous convictions with such abandon... which makes me think it was perhaps not to his own dissatisfaction."

Zhjaeve:
"Of the githzerai I know nothing. I did not see her body amidst the refuse, nor did I see the direction she took as we fled."

You already know about Khelgar.

So, in some cases, it's an open question.

Modifié par Tchos, 23 avril 2013 - 07:24 .

[vicendor]

Thanks for clearing that up for me. And If I recall Bishop is also in MOTB is he not? I find it funny though that even if he gets a head start (he does not fight you and simply runs away) he still dies...

[I_Raps]

Tchos wrote...

Casavir:
"His back gave out as he stood under a collapsing doorway, trying to keep it intact so the rest of us might pass through it. It seemed a fitting end for one who followed his chivalrous convictions with such abandon... which makes me think it was perhaps not to his own dissatisfaction."

About that ...

In SOZ we also learn from the Luskan running the occupation of Port Last that the Luskans captured a wounded paladin while searching the site and are holding him to answer for his part in the death of Sydney Natale....

[Tchos]

Yes, Bishop appears in MotB, but it would be treading on spoilers for that separate campaign to speak more of it here. (I think it was okay to quote dialogue from MotB here, since it was dialogue about the OC, though).

And as I_Raps points out, SoZ raises some interesting possibilities of capture/rescue or other fates for certain characters. Jerro could have jumped to conclusions about some of them being dead, since as he said he didn't have much time to look.

[Dann-J]

The creatures you summon forth from one of the portals in the shadow theatre in MotB will also answer some of your questions about what happened at the end of the OC. I seem to recall one of them confirming that Qara was squashed flat. They also describe leading an angry dwarf on a chase in order to distract him while you were being abducted.

187714, No... only <i>two</i> were dead... perhaps three. The dwarf was alive, don't you remember, my brothers? He chased us, and cursed us, but we were three and he was one.

187715, Yes... I distracted the dwarf, and he gave chase. While your body was unguarded, my brothers swooped down, and bore you away.

We know that Neeska must have died, since a hellfire warlock can summon her from the hells. Although surely she should have ended up in Tymora's realm instead?

Modifié par DannJ, 24 avril 2013 - 02:17 .

[vicendor]

I've beaten MOTB once before and have just started it up again recently so by all means if you know what happen specifically to Bishop (canon wise) do tell...and I do seem to remember the statement or rumor or whatever that Casavir may of survived as well. I guess the only confirmed deaths are Qara / Elanee / Grobnar and Construct + Bishop (even if he got a head start?) then? And then the ones that might be dead such as, Sand / Neeshka / Zhjaeve and Casavir...?

Also one seperate question that is somewhat related to this thread a bit...Do we know how much time passed between the King of Shadows dying and the Knight-Captain being transported to the barrow?

Modifié par vicendor, 24 avril 2013 - 02:31 .

[Tchos]

As for Bishop, I'd rather not state it in this forum, since I think it's a bit too much of a spoiler for MotB. If you ask in the MotB spoiler forum, or by PM, I'll tell you what I know.

Dann, about Qara being squashed -- Ammon Jerro stated that in his dialogue, but he was only speculating, because he then immediately stated that he didn't see her fate with his own eyes. Though if someone else mentioned it besides him, then that would change things.

[Tchos]

Also, I'm not so sure about Neeshka. She may have died, but it needn't have been during the escape, since Jerro said she was ahead of everyone else. I'm not sure if the summoning is meant to be canon, or to necessarily be her actual self, given the contradictions, and that we've seen other simulacra elsewhere (such as Qara's animus counterpart).

[Dann-J]

Tchos wrote...

Dann, about Qara being squashed -- Ammon Jerro stated that in his dialogue, but he was only speculating, because he then immediately stated that he didn't see her fate with his own eyes. Though if someone else mentioned it besides him, then that would change things.

Lienna's former slaves (the couriers / shadow gargoyles) seem to be deliberately ambiguous on the subject.

187770, One in robes... a shaper of arcane magic, with echoes of power draining from the corpse. But smashed beyond recognition... a smear of blood and bone in tattered rags.

That could refer to either Sand or Qara.

[Tchos]

True. If both of the sources are reliable, then it probably refers to Qara.

[vicendor]

I see...Thank you all for clearing this up and letting me know the fates of each party member!