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Did the even announce who you can be in the new game, whether you are The Warden or Champion of Kirkwall?

no you are a new character. I think we may see an old companion but that is it


Dang, I really need to catch with everything about this game. But kind of has me mad, because I was hoping for like a chioce thing, where you can choose to either be The Warden or Champion.


You also can only be a human. No elf, dwarf or Qunari characters. 

Just laying all the bad news on you at once. 


What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!

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TruCommander wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Did the even announce who you can be in the new game, whether you are The Warden or Champion of Kirkwall?

no you are a new character. I think we may see an old companion but that is it


Dang, I really need to catch with everything about this game. But kind of has me mad, because I was hoping for like a chioce thing, where you can choose to either be The Warden or Champion.


You also can only be a human. No elf, dwarf or Qunari characters. 

Just laying all the bad news on you at once. 


What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!




it is alot of work to do it people talk about the VA work but the animation work is more of a hassle

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Why does there need to be a second one? Why not use the female instead? I mean most fans of Dragon Age I would say wouldn't care one way or the other so it would come down to personal prefrence woudn't it? I mean I believe it was mentioned that women now make up 47% of the market and given that there is probably a good portion of men who would like it as well.

Beyond that though on a confusing emotional level I think it matters to people because it makes their PC more...real, it's not something I can explain, but I can empathize with the idea that my Warden is THE Warden


I think you're wrong with that statistic. It's way too high in my opinion.

I know the DA series has quite a large fanbase of women, but just go to any social gathering(of people 16-30)or whatever and ask all the male and females if they play video games. Probably 90% of the men will say yes while you could probably count on your hands how many women said yes.

I never play as a female in video games mainly because it breaks immersion for me, being a man. It's just hard for me to RP as a women when I have no idea really what a women would do in the situations in the game(s). 

But that's not important, all I'm saying is a male protagonist is much more marketable than a female one and since everyone who has played a Bioware game before knows they can choose their gender so there's no need for a whole seperate marketing campaign like they did with Mass Effect 3. It's just marketing fluff. If you really need to see an official trailer of your preferred gender to make you feel better about your choice then....I don't know what to tell you.

I certainly don't feel better or like 'I made the right choice' because I saw Male Hawke in DA2 marketing. 

Marketing is marketing. It's to lure people in who aren't the biggest fans of the series. Most people here would buy the game even if it had no marketing campaign at all, just a few screenshots and videos would do.


I don't think social gatherings are a good indication of whether women play video games to be honest. They're just as likely not to say anything for fear of harrasement, but let's not get into that discussion here.

The idea though is that a male character is more marketable, which barring any personal bias (because as a man who doesn't enjoy playing as a woman you have said bias) Dragon Age does have a large female fanbase so having a woman isn't so different as having a man. It ends up being personal prefrence because the fanbase is so split down the middle.

Players who know the game has the gender option care less about who shows up. Players who don't know are likely to look up the game if it interests them regardless of whether a man is marching through a trailer or a woman. Ofcourse there will be the, "Are we forced to play as a woman?" but that's not really that different from "Are we forced to play as a warrior or elf."

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Alright how about this, How would it negatively affect you? We want to market the game not only to men but women as well. So in order to that they choose a female poster child. Old players come and it the trailer in and of itself is interesting new players come. I don't see the issue.

Whether female characters are less marketable is a bit of weird topic because we don't know because they've (the industry) never really tried to do it. Did having a woman on the new Tomb Raider effect sales? No...then how will it in an RPG where arguably the audience is even more accepting of women.

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garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Did the even announce who you can be in the new game, whether you are The Warden or Champion of Kirkwall?

no you are a new character. I think we may see an old companion but that is it


Dang, I really need to catch with everything about this game. But kind of has me mad, because I was hoping for like a chioce thing, where you can choose to either be The Warden or Champion.


You also can only be a human. No elf, dwarf or Qunari characters. 

Just laying all the bad news on you at once. 


What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!




it is alot of work to do it people talk about the VA work but the animation work is more of a hassle


I can understand that, trust me, but still sucks tho.

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Why must all good games come out in the fall DA3, Destiny, GTA5, Saints Row 4. I need more money!

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TruCommander wrote...

What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!


Mike Laidlaw said a while back that they may be looking into bringing race selection back for DA4, but it won't be in DA3. Last I heard there will be a selection of backgrounds for the PC though, for DA3 that is, so there will be at least some possible customization in that sense..

Modifié par discosuperfly, 26 avril 2013 - 05:14 .


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TruCommander wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Did the even announce who you can be in the new game, whether you are The Warden or Champion of Kirkwall?

no you are a new character. I think we may see an old companion but that is it


Dang, I really need to catch with everything about this game. But kind of has me mad, because I was hoping for like a chioce thing, where you can choose to either be The Warden or Champion.


You also can only be a human. No elf, dwarf or Qunari characters. 

Just laying all the bad news on you at once. 


What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!




it is alot of work to do it people talk about the VA work but the animation work is more of a hassle


I can understand that, trust me, but still sucks tho.

On the plus side, you now know all the official information we do. The only other information out there is old rumors and a likely reveal date at E3 where they will tell us more. 

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Baldur's Gate was announced as having a fall release. It was released on November 30. So there's still plenty of time after E3.

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Why on earth didnt they just say they would announce da3 in EA and call it a day? What marketing purpose does this stance satisfy? Especially when the people involved are fans who more or less will follow the news as they come. Anywho see you in june.. It has been quite frustrating to anticipate the "spring" information

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Baldur's Gate was announced as having a fall release. It was released on November 30. So there's still plenty of time after E3.


Yes, but 1998 was a different time (15 years ago), with video game marketing on a totally different level. Not to mention two things:

1) Baldur's Gate "only" sold 2 million units. While massive for the time, that would be the same as DA2, which was only profitable because its design cycle was about half of what DA3's is going to be. Not to mention the insane inflation of production costs means that DA3 will need to sell more than 2 million to make anywhere near the profit margins Baldur's Gate did. 

2) Assuming a game could do what BG did and make a killing in a five month marketing cycle these days, this year is not a normal year. The next gen consoles are going to not only dominate the entire video game world conversation, but they will also be eating large sums of potential customers' money come Black Friday. People who buy consoles typically only buy one game. The chances of that game being DA3 are reduced considerably if the gaming world at large knows nothing about the game until mid-June.

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TruCommander wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Did the even announce who you can be in the new game, whether you are The Warden or Champion of Kirkwall?

no you are a new character. I think we may see an old companion but that is it


Dang, I really need to catch with everything about this game. But kind of has me mad, because I was hoping for like a chioce thing, where you can choose to either be The Warden or Champion.


You also can only be a human. No elf, dwarf or Qunari characters. 

Just laying all the bad news on you at once. 


What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!




BioWare has hinted that, despite it being the end of our Warden and Hawke's stories, they might make an appearance in DA3. :) So at least there's that. I'm interested to see where, I miss them both terribly.

As much as I love my Wardens' and Hawkes', and love to be an elf, from the little we know about being an Inquisitor (it seems as a group formed by the Chantry if I'm not mistaken, AKA a human religion), it makes sense to be an entirely new, human character. I don't see Hawke or any Warden suddenly being in such a group, nor any Qunari, dwarf, etc.

As someone said up above, we might be able to choose races again in DA4, according to something Mike Laidaw said.

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embraceternity wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Fast Jimmy wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

garrusfan1 wrote...

TruCommander wrote...

Did the even announce who you can be in the new game, whether you are The Warden or Champion of Kirkwall?

no you are a new character. I think we may see an old companion but that is it


Dang, I really need to catch with everything about this game. But kind of has me mad, because I was hoping for like a chioce thing, where you can choose to either be The Warden or Champion.


You also can only be a human. No elf, dwarf or Qunari characters. 

Just laying all the bad news on you at once. 


What the duece! Thats the one thing I liked about Origins, and many others I talked to, the you could be different races and such, and they are just gonna abandon that like they did with the second game?!




BioWare has hinted that, despite it being the end of our Warden and Hawke's stories, they might make an appearance in DA3.


:ph34r:Which is a bad thing:ph34r:

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DA:O had this really great page pre-release that gave loads of details on the game. The CGI trailers were nice, but that page below is what made me buy the game.

http://dragonage.bio...m/dao/game/faq/

I want real details about the game before I buy it.

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DA:O had this really great page pre-release that gave loads of details on the game. The CGI trailers were nice, but that page below is what made me buy the game.

http://dragonage.bio...m/dao/game/faq/

I want real details about the game before I buy it.


Hah, I remember that page! DAO also had videos of a developer playing through Ostagar, which was SUPER COOL to see well before the game came out.

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I thought the morons at EA took CnC from bioware when they decided nobody cares about the SP campaign...

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DuskWarden wrote...

DA:O had this really great page pre-release that gave loads of details on the game. The CGI trailers were nice, but that page below is what made me buy the game.

http://dragonage.bio...m/dao/game/faq/

I want real details about the game before I buy it.


"1.06. Why is the game called Dragon Age: Origins?

[...] We also chose "Origins" because it symbolizes BioWare's return to its roots."

That's, uh, something.

Nice FAQ though, hope they do something similar for DAI. Mike Laidlaw has said in the past that they want to make sure everyone is well informed about the game before launch, so nobody can say they were deceived as to what sort of game it is.

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"1.06. Why is the game called Dragon Age: Origins?

[...] We also chose "Origins" because it symbolizes BioWare's return to its roots."


So Inquistion is going to Bioware executing dissenters among the ranks? :P

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i am hoping for a kind of not default gender trailer. It should show different looks of both female and male.


I don't see why people care about this so much?

They made a big fuss about it with ME3. "WE NEED FEMSHEP TRAILERS!!!" 

You guys already know you can play as a female character, why do you need a trailer to prove it or back up an already given fact?
It would be smart not to waste marketing money and just use the male protagonist(and no offense to the ladies here but I would say that a male protagonist DOES market better to this generation of gamers). 

Sure, include screenshots of the female protagonists default apperance, but there doesn't need to be a whole seperate marketing campaign like they did with ME3.


They already said they were going to use the female character as well as the male character. Why are you so threatened by that?

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Why does there need to be a second one? Why not use the female instead? I mean most fans of Dragon Age I would say wouldn't care one way or the other so it would come down to personal prefrence woudn't it? I mean I believe it was mentioned that women now make up 47% of the market and given that there is probably a good portion of men who would like it as well.

Beyond that though on a confusing emotional level I think it matters to people because it makes their PC more...real, it's not something I can explain, but I can empathize with the idea that my Warden is THE Warden


I think you're wrong with that statistic. It's way too high in my opinion.

I know the DA series has quite a large fanbase of women, but just go to any social gathering(of people 16-30)or whatever and ask all the male and females if they play video games. Probably 90% of the men will say yes while you could probably count on your hands how many women said yes.

I never play as a female in video games mainly because it breaks immersion for me, being a man. It's just hard for me to RP as a women when I have no idea really what a women would do in the situations in the game(s). 

But that's not important, all I'm saying is a male protagonist is much more marketable than a female one and since everyone who has played a Bioware game before knows they can choose their gender so there's no need for a whole seperate marketing campaign like they did with Mass Effect 3. It's just marketing fluff. If you really need to see an official trailer of your preferred gender to make you feel better about your choice then....I don't know what to tell you.

I certainly don't feel better or like 'I made the right choice' because I saw Male Hawke in DA2 marketing. 

Marketing is marketing. It's to lure people in who aren't the biggest fans of the series. Most people here would buy the game even if it had no marketing campaign at all, just a few screenshots and videos would do.


Um I suggest you go google it. 47% of gamers are now women.  Sorry if we're taking that away from you.

Its not 1998 anymore. Women play games and marketing HAS TO CHANGE! 

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Savber100 wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...


"1.06. Why is the game called Dragon Age: Origins?

[...] We also chose "Origins" because it symbolizes BioWare's return to its roots."


So Inquistion is going to Bioware executing dissenters among the ranks? :P


that made me spit soda on my laptop

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I never play as a female in video games mainly because it breaks immersion for me, being a man. It's just hard for me to RP as a women when I have no idea really what a women would do in the situations in the game(s). 


Do you think women are space aliens or something? Having a vagina doesn't mean that women somehow think differently than you. About the only different situation is if sexuality, and you can solve that by RPing a lesbian. There you go: now you've solved the competely irrelevant problem of boobs and vaginas.

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Enad wrote...

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Why does there need to be a second one? Why not use the female instead? I mean most fans of Dragon Age I would say wouldn't care one way or the other so it would come down to personal prefrence woudn't it? I mean I believe it was mentioned that women now make up 47% of the market and given that there is probably a good portion of men who would like it as well.

Beyond that though on a confusing emotional level I think it matters to people because it makes their PC more...real, it's not something I can explain, but I can empathize with the idea that my Warden is THE Warden


I think you're wrong with that statistic. It's way too high in my opinion.

I know the DA series has quite a large fanbase of women, but just go to any social gathering(of people 16-30)or whatever and ask all the male and females if they play video games. Probably 90% of the men will say yes while you could probably count on your hands how many women said yes.

I never play as a female in video games mainly because it breaks immersion for me, being a man. It's just hard for me to RP as a women when I have no idea really what a women would do in the situations in the game(s). 

But that's not important, all I'm saying is a male protagonist is much more marketable than a female one and since everyone who has played a Bioware game before knows they can choose their gender so there's no need for a whole seperate marketing campaign like they did with Mass Effect 3. It's just marketing fluff. If you really need to see an official trailer of your preferred gender to make you feel better about your choice then....I don't know what to tell you.

I certainly don't feel better or like 'I made the right choice' because I saw Male Hawke in DA2 marketing. 

Marketing is marketing. It's to lure people in who aren't the biggest fans of the series. Most people here would buy the game even if it had no marketing campaign at all, just a few screenshots and videos would do.

What if they saw females as a potential growth market?

I think a bit of what you say contradicts yourself. You say you never play as a female because it breaks immersion...fair enough, I agree. You say marketing is more for people who are not the biggest fans of the series...fair enough, I agree. But then you also say that you shouldn't need to see a trailer of your preferred gender...and I don't see how you can make that statement given your other statements??? For a female who is unfamiliar with the series it is likely to be a big deal, especially given the male dominance of characters in games. It is a point of difference which I feel they should try to highlight.

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So how many people will complain about the trailer when it launches?

Half the boards? Three fourths? I'm betting a good 9 and 3 quarters of the board will rage myself.

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So how many people will complain about the trailer when it launches?

Half the boards? Three fourths? I'm betting a good 9 and 3 quarters of the board will rage myself.


2/3rds of this board, but we'll get newcomers. 

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Darth Brotarian wrote...

So how many people will complain about the trailer when it launches?

Half the boards? Three fourths? I'm betting a good 9 and 3 quarters of the board will rage myself.


I tend to be optomistic and think it will be good and well received. I'm looking forward to seeing if there is any gameplay rather than simply cinematics, that will give us some idea how far advanced they are. Plus it will also show us game play under the new engine.

I don't want to see a whole heap of story spoilers, they should stick to background spoilers and stuff we learn in the first hour of game play.