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[Seival]

The Reapers are not war machines, they are harvesters.
The Catalyst is not a dictator, it is the avatar of evolution.

The Cycled Harvests were so rare, so specific, and so inevitable that they could be called a part of natural life-and-death circle. With each new Cycle the Catalyst was closer and closer to the ideal solution which it was created to find.

Nature itself consumes lives. For what? Just to create new ones. A lot of them. Better then the previous ones. The Cycled Harvests were not much different, and were only temporary. Once the ideal solution was found and proved to be valid, it was just a matter of time before the idea of that solution comes true.

The Reapers were never interested in war. They were created as keepers of Nature balance. Even Leviathans, who were the first target themselves admitted that. The Catalyst and the Reapers did a lot of horrible things, but eventually they made the ideal solution possible. Let's not forget about that.

...Also, let's not forget one obvious thing: there are only two main choices in the end - apply Synthesis now, or delay it for some time by different means.

[PsyrenY]

It's easy to demonize the Reapers, but I'm not sure being discovered by the Leviathans or Protheans would have been much better. It seems to me that the galaxy wasn't ready to rule itself quite yet at those times - too much autocracy and not enough diversity.

[Steelcan]

The Reaoers were designed to wage war.
The Catalyst is their leader, be turned on the Leviathans and killed them with his war machines.

They are synthetic creations, they are by their nature not part of nature. So any activity they undertake us not part if the natural cycle.

And there is no guarantee that Synthesis will be applied in the other endings. Control makes it unnecessary, and Destroy proves it is unnecessary.

Even for you this is lunacy.

[Steelcan]

Optimystic_X wrote...

It's easy to demonize the Reapers, but I'm not sure being discovered by the Leviathans or Protheans would have been much better. It seems to me that the galaxy wasn't ready to rule itself quite yet at those times - too much autocracy and not enough diversity.

. The Reaper deserve to be demonized.  They murdered trillions.  Even the Leviathans couldn't claim that.

[Argolas]

I title the reapers "reapers". That pretty much seems to nail it.

[justafan]

There is nothing "natural" about the Reapers. For one, they were created by a intelligent beings that are decidedly not deities. Second, if the "created destroy the creators" is in fact the natural and inevitable order of things, then it appears that the Reaper's mission is to defy nature.

They are simply a Terrible Disaster, nothing natural about 'em.

Modifié par justafan, 23 avril 2013 - 09:04 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The Reapers harvest advanced life and destroy civilizations. There is no preservation. It's the Reapers and Catalyst's perverted idea of preservation.

It be like me putting a person in a blender, drinking them, then pissing them out into a plastic cup.

The Reapers have earned no sympathy.

Also, I'm sure natural disasters don't control people's minds and tell them to destroy their own governments and betray their own species.

Then again, this is Seival so anything s/he writes will probably be made for comedic effect.

[dreamgazer]

... "natural"?

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaoers were designed to wage war.
The Catalyst is their leader, be turned on the Leviathans and killed them with his war machines.

They are synthetic creations, they are by their nature not part of nature. So any activity they undertake us not part if the natural cycle.

And there is no guarantee that Synthesis will be applied in the other endings. Control makes it unnecessary, and Destroy proves it is unnecessary.

Even for you this is lunacy.

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

[Straw Nihilist]

Oh Seival you crack me up you psychotic b*tch.

[Bill Casey]

Steelcan wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

It's easy to demonize the Reapers, but I'm not sure being discovered by the Leviathans or Protheans would have been much better. It seems to me that the galaxy wasn't ready to rule itself quite yet at those times - too much autocracy and not enough diversity.

. The Reaper deserve to be demonized.  They murdered trillions.  Even the Leviathans couldn't claim that.

If they just murdered trillions, they wouldn't be nearly as vile...
They want people alive to turn them...

They brainwash people to the point where they shoot themselves in the head...
They engage in a brutally disgusting level of biological warfare, using physical and psychological torture and twisting living sentient beings to their will, sewing them together, stealing their minds and melting them down...

What they do is far worse than killing...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 23 avril 2013 - 09:27 .

[Big Bad]

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaoers were designed to wage war.
The Catalyst is their leader, be turned on the Leviathans and killed them with his war machines.

They are synthetic creations, they are by their nature not part of nature. So any activity they undertake us not part if the natural cycle.

And there is no guarantee that Synthesis will be applied in the other endings. Control makes it unnecessary, and Destroy proves it is unnecessary.

Even for you this is lunacy.

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

And then nature created the crucible, and my Shepard naturally used it to destroy the reapers.

Nature is truly wise, bro.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

. They are the most powerful weapons we see.  There is no evidence that they have toned down their weaponry.

The Leviathans were killed by...probes.  That's the best you got.  Those probes would have been the Reaper ships. 

So computers are natural.  

This is just you being ridiculous.

[adayaday]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The Reapers harvest advanced life and destroy civilizations. There is no preservation. It's the Reapers and Catalyst's perverted idea of preservation.

It be like me putting a person in a blender, drinking them, then pissing them out into a plastic cup.

The Reapers have earned no sympathy.

Also, I'm sure natural disasters don't control people's minds and tell them to destroy their own governments and betray their own species.

Then again, this is Seival so anything s/he writes will probably be made for comedic effect.

Oh i am counting on that.

[Big Bad]

It's amazing the ideas you can come up with when you haphazardly redefine existing words to mean whatever you want them to mean.

[jijeebo]

Harbinger is far too fabulous to be natural.

Other than that, keep on truckin' little bird, your threads are always delightful.

[Undead Han]

The Reapers did not evolve through any natural process. They're artifical constructs created by another artifical construct. And they are war machines designed only to destroy civilizations and corrupt life.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaoers were designed to wage war.
The Catalyst is their leader, be turned on the Leviathans and killed them with his war machines.

They are synthetic creations, they are by their nature not part of nature. So any activity they undertake us not part if the natural cycle.

And there is no guarantee that Synthesis will be applied in the other endings. Control makes it unnecessary, and Destroy proves it is unnecessary.

Even for you this is lunacy.

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

So the weapons that are more accurate, have longer range, and are powerful enough to cut destroy the most powerful ships we have and burn planets from orbit are just for show? So the Reapers weren't built for war, yet the sole action they've taken for the past billion years has been to forcibly destroy and harvest all civilizations is just some side effect? 

As for tactics, they have the advantage of overwhelming firepower, near-impervious defenses, sheer tonnage and size, and indoctrination. They don't need tactics. 

I love it when you use headcanon as proof for the legitimacy of your point.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 23 avril 2013 - 09:16 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

justafan wrote...

There is nothing "natural" about the Reapers. For one, they were created by a intelligent beings that are decidedly not deities. Second, if the "created destroy the creators" is in fact the natural and inevitable order of things, then it appears that the Reaper's mission is to defy nature.

They are simply a Terrible Disaster, nothing natural about 'em.

I don't think he literally means they're natural, just that they're comparable to natural disasters such as tornado, earthquake, fire, flood, what have you.

And hey, alien invasion is considered a "natural disaster" in Sim City. Go figure!

Anyways, I agree. The Reapers as some ancient mistake creation that got out of hand, I always it was something like that. They are a mistake, but not deliberate perpetrators of the cycle at hand.

[adayaday]

Seival wrote...

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

Seriously if Reapers are not war machine then what is this thing?images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120320000526/masseffect/images/4/4f/ME3_Hades_Cannon_London.png

Modifié par adayaday, 23 avril 2013 - 09:22 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Big Bad wrote...

It's amazing the ideas you can come up with when you haphazardly redefine existing words to mean whatever you want them to mean.

And use headcanon as "proof".

[Seival]

Argolas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaoers were designed to wage war.
The Catalyst is their leader, be turned on the Leviathans and killed them with his war machines.

They are synthetic creations, they are by their nature not part of nature. So any activity they undertake us not part if the natural cycle.

And there is no guarantee that Synthesis will be applied in the other endings. Control makes it unnecessary, and Destroy proves it is unnecessary.

Even for you this is lunacy.

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

And then nature created the crucible, and my Shepard naturally used it to destroy the reapers.

Nature is truly wise, bro.

What you did is just delayed Synthesis.

And millions of derelict Reapers so close to galactic civilization was a very... hmm... specific gift to survivors.

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

What you did is just delayed Synthesis.

And millions of derelict Reapers so close to galactic civilization was a very... hmm... specific gift to survivors.

But it must be right! Nature did it!

[Ledgend1221]

Sevial is not inspired, just insane.