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[Seival]

Argolas wrote...

Robots? Yes. Husks? No. Husks are way past the "mental decay" of indoctrination. Husks will be the slaves that will make post-Synthesis society possible. They will do the work that Synthetics don't have to do anymore.

In Synthesis epilogue synthesized husk looks too human-like, just still has "scary" appearance. So I believe that ex-husks will become a part of society as well. I really don't think they will become slaves though. They can think for themselves now.

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Robots? Yes. Husks? No. Husks are way past the "mental decay" of indoctrination. Husks will be the slaves that will make post-Synthesis society possible. They will do the work that Synthetics don't have to do anymore.

In Synthesis epilogue synthesized husk looks too human-like, just still has "scary" appearance. So I believe that ex-husks will become a part of society as well. I really don't think they will become slaves though. They can think for themselves now.

A confused animal, at best... probably even less than that. A husk is exactly what that word means: An empty hull. There is nothing left to restore or save. They lack even basic survival instincts. Like the indoctrinated Protheans that were left behind in their cycle, they would just stand around until they die unless someone directs them. You either let them rot or use them as the slaves the galaxy needs.

[Seival]

tickle267 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Robots? Yes. Husks? No. Husks are way past the "mental decay" of indoctrination. Husks will be the slaves that will make post-Synthesis society possible. They will do the work that Synthetics don't have to do anymore.

In Synthesis epilogue synthesized husk looks too human-like, just still has "scary" appearance. So I believe that ex-husks will become a part of society as well. I really don't think they will become slaves though. They can think for themselves now.

yes let us all share the love!

I'm afraid that picture has a mistake. Husk doesn't look like synthesized. It has to look more human-like (not in terms of appearance of course).

[AresKeith]

evil threads like this are evil

[Seival]

Argolas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Robots? Yes. Husks? No. Husks are way past the "mental decay" of indoctrination. Husks will be the slaves that will make post-Synthesis society possible. They will do the work that Synthetics don't have to do anymore.

In Synthesis epilogue synthesized husk looks too human-like, just still has "scary" appearance. So I believe that ex-husks will become a part of society as well. I really don't think they will become slaves though. They can think for themselves now.

A confused animal, at best... probably even less than that. A husk is exactly what that word means: An empty hull. There is nothing left to restore or save. They lack even basic survival instincts. Like the indoctrinated Protheans that were left behind in their cycle, they would just stand around until they die unless someone directs them. You either let them rot or use them as the slaves the galaxy needs.

Confused animals can only attack the closest being they can reach, or just run away/hide. Husk in the Synthesis epilogue looks more like a shocked and confused human.

[Argolas]

Seival wrote...

Confused animals can only attack the closest being they can reach, or just run away/hide. Husk in the Synthesis epilogue looks more like a shocked and confused human.

Confused, not panicking. It looks into the light.

And really, headcanon does not beat lore. There is no husks in the epilogue after the war itself- because they are empty hulls. I can get behind Synthesis, but if machines are no longer our slaves, we need others to do the dirty work and those can't be anything else than husks. They have proven to be perfect tools to the reapers and they can do the same for us. Of course I can choose Control instead and force the issue.

[Seival]

Argolas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Confused animals can only attack the closest being they can reach, or just run away/hide. Husk in the Synthesis epilogue looks more like a shocked and confused human.

Confused, not panicking. It looks into the light.

And really, headcanon does not beat lore. There is no husks in the epilogue after the war itself- because they are empty hulls. I can get behind Synthesis, but if machines are no longer our slaves, we need others to do the dirty work and those can't be anything else than husks. They have proven to be perfect tools to the reapers and they can do the same for us. Of course I can choose Control instead and force the issue.

Confused and panicking are different terms for a human, but not for an animal.

Compare husks reaction on explosion in case of Control and Synthesis. In case of Control husks are nothing but mindless tools. In case of Synthesis husks react very human-like - that husk is the epilogue looked quite naturally among other shocked people, as if it was actually in their group or something like that.

[Argolas]

If so, I prefer Control. A society full of equals that even includes machines is not going to work. There is and always will be work that nobody will volunteer to do. We need mindless, non-intelligent tools that don't deserve equal rights.

[robertthebard]

Seival wrote...

In Arrival it is a Reaper tech fragment. It doesn't matter if it comes from a ship or not. Any pieces of Reaper tech eradiate the same thing. Any lesser race that will try to study it will become influenced eventually.

Remember Sanctuary? They just studied husks to understand how to control the Reapers, and ended up indoctrinated. All of them. Do you think they didn't bother to shield their personnel somehow? Any contact with Reaper tech, no matter dead or alive, ends up like that. And without Catalyst no one will direct influenced people. They will just become mad.

Derelict Reaper in ME2 was in much worse condition than Reaper ships after red explosion. Still that Reaper indoctrinated hundreds of people in matter of weeks. What about millions of derelict Reapers within all habitable places of this galaxy? How damaged galactic civilization will survive that without Leviathans help? Why do Leviathans want to help galactic civilization in case of Destroy at all? The answer is inside the Leviathan DLC.

No.  In Arrival, it's not a fragment of Reaper tech, it's a whole machine.  It is counting down until it opens the Relay to allow the Reapers in, hence, whether Shepard does it or not, the relay gets destroyed.  That it did indoctrinate them is beyond doubt, but it was not a fragment, but a device designed to let the Reapers in the "back door".  This is, of course, all explained in Arrival, you should really load it up and check it out.

I evidently remember Sanctuary better than you do.  They were creating their own husks to learn how to control the Reapers.  Then the Reapers attacked them.  It's funny, but Lawson doesn't seem all that indoctrinated to me.  A bit Chaotic Stupid, but really, no crazier than what we've been led to believe he was already, based solely on what Miranda tells us.  Again, let's not warp the evidence to fit your scenario.  If you have to do this, the problem isn't the evidence, it's the theory you're trying to make the evidence fit.

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Robots? Yes. Husks? No. Husks are way past the "mental decay" of indoctrination. Husks will be the slaves that will make post-Synthesis society possible. They will do the work that Synthetics don't have to do anymore.

In Synthesis epilogue synthesized husk looks too human-like, just still has "scary" appearance. So I believe that ex-husks will become a part of society as well. I really don't think they will become slaves though. They can think for themselves now.

yes let us all share the love!

I'm afraid that picture has a mistake. Husk doesn't look like synthesized. It has to look more human-like (not in terms of appearance of course).

What? Then how else would it look more human like? Besides, the only difference husks have in Synthesis is that they have glowing green bits now. OH MAN! Such a great change since thier minds have been destroyed from beomcing husks in the first place.

[Argolas]

Fixed it. You're welcome.

[Seival]

robertthebard wrote...

Seival wrote...

In Arrival it is a Reaper tech fragment. It doesn't matter if it comes from a ship or not. Any pieces of Reaper tech eradiate the same thing. Any lesser race that will try to study it will become influenced eventually.

Remember Sanctuary? They just studied husks to understand how to control the Reapers, and ended up indoctrinated. All of them. Do you think they didn't bother to shield their personnel somehow? Any contact with Reaper tech, no matter dead or alive, ends up like that. And without Catalyst no one will direct influenced people. They will just become mad.

Derelict Reaper in ME2 was in much worse condition than Reaper ships after red explosion. Still that Reaper indoctrinated hundreds of people in matter of weeks. What about millions of derelict Reapers within all habitable places of this galaxy? How damaged galactic civilization will survive that without Leviathans help? Why do Leviathans want to help galactic civilization in case of Destroy at all? The answer is inside the Leviathan DLC.

No.  In Arrival, it's not a fragment of Reaper tech, it's a whole machine.  It is counting down until it opens the Relay to allow the Reapers in, hence, whether Shepard does it or not, the relay gets destroyed.  That it did indoctrinate them is beyond doubt, but it was not a fragment, but a device designed to let the Reapers in the "back door".  This is, of course, all explained in Arrival, you should really load it up and check it out.

I evidently remember Sanctuary better than you do.  They were creating their own husks to learn how to control the Reapers.  Then the Reapers attacked them.  It's funny, but Lawson doesn't seem all that indoctrinated to me.  A bit Chaotic Stupid, but really, no crazier than what we've been led to believe he was already, based solely on what Miranda tells us.  Again, let's not warp the evidence to fit your scenario.  If you have to do this, the problem isn't the evidence, it's the theory you're trying to make the evidence fit.

Any Reaper device is a fragment of the Reaper tech. No matter part of a Reaper ship, or some small generator - they all eradiate the same thing with power source or without it. Indoctrination is a part of organic half of Reaper tech. Remember destroyed proto-reaper remains inside Cerberus base, and how Liara reacted on its presence? "It's observing us!", but it's dead - only small pieces of it are still intact.

They tried to create their own husks based on Reaper tech they discovered, and we both know how that ended. They all became indoctrinated.

Lawson didn't look like indoctrinated? Yes, just like TIM. There are no visual signs of indoctrination until after person gets some Reaper tech based implants.

Modifié par Seival, 27 avril 2013 - 05:36 .

[Seival]

Argolas wrote...



Fixed it. You're welcome.

No, this is not about lighting.

The husk looks like dead. To make it more human like is to make him look more natural. Texture will not help. You have to change its pose and facial expression. It has to look like sleeping, not dead.

Modifié par Seival, 27 avril 2013 - 05:44 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...



Fixed it. You're welcome.

No, this is not about lighting.

The husk looks like dead. To make it more human like is to make him look more natural. Texture will not help. You have to change its pose. It has to look like sleeping, not dead.

That's how they all look derp

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...
No, this is not about lighting.

The husk looks like dead. To make it more human like is to make him looking more natural. Texture will not help. You have to change its pose. It has to look like sleeping, not dead.

It's a husk. That's about the extent of it's capabilites.

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...



Fixed it. You're welcome.

No, this is not about lighting.

The husk looks like dead. To make it more human like is to make him look more natural. Texture will not help. You have to change its pose and facial expression. It has to look like sleeping, not dead.

That's how they all look derp

Not after Synthesis. Watch Synthesis epilogue more carefully.

Like I said, the mistake is not in texture or lighting. The mistake is in pose and facial expression. The husk looks like dead.

Modifié par Seival, 27 avril 2013 - 05:49 .

[robertthebard]

Seival wrote...

Any Reaper device is a fragment of the Reaper tech. No matter part of a Reaper ship, or some small generator - they all eradiate the same thing with power source or without it. Indoctrination is a part of organic half of Reaper tech. Remember destroyed proto-reaper remains inside Cerberus base, and how Liara reacted on its presence? "It's observing us!", but it's dead - only small pieces of it are still intact.

They tried to create their own husks based on Reaper tech they discovered, and we both know how that ended. They all became indoctrinated.

Lawson didn't look like indoctrinated? Yes, just like TIM. There are no visual signs of indoctrination until after person gets some Reaper tech based implants.

So, is my computer a part of my car?  My car has an onboard computer too.  Is the Collector Rifle capable of indoctrination?  It is, after all, Reaper Tech.  Maybe you're confused by the word fragment?   http://www.merriam-w...ionary/fragment  By definition, a complete device is not a fragment.  I'm really not interested in twisting the lore to fit your theory, and I am a staunch supporter of not twisting the English language to support theories as well, have been for a long time.

[SpamBot2000]

"A man may take to drink because he feels himself to be a failure, and then fail all the more completely because he drinks. It is rather the same thing that is happening to the English language. It becomes ugly and inaccurate because our thoughts are foolish, but the slovenliness of our language makes it easier for us to have foolish thoughts."

-G. Orwell

[Peranor]

robertthebard wrote...

Seival wrote...

Any Reaper device is a fragment of the Reaper tech. No matter part of a Reaper ship, or some small generator - they all eradiate the same thing with power source or without it. Indoctrination is a part of organic half of Reaper tech. Remember destroyed proto-reaper remains inside Cerberus base, and how Liara reacted on its presence? "It's observing us!", but it's dead - only small pieces of it are still intact.

They tried to create their own husks based on Reaper tech they discovered, and we both know how that ended. They all became indoctrinated.

Lawson didn't look like indoctrinated? Yes, just like TIM. There are no visual signs of indoctrination until after person gets some Reaper tech based implants.

So, is my computer a part of my car?  My car has an onboard computer too.  Is the Collector Rifle capable of indoctrination?  It is, after all, Reaper Tech.  Maybe you're confused by the word fragment?   http://www.merriam-w...ionary/fragment  By definition, a complete device is not a fragment.  I'm really not interested in twisting the lore to fit your theory, and I am a staunch supporter of not twisting the English language to support theories as well, have been for a long time.

If you're going to engage in a "discussion" with Seival you have to be willing to accept lots and lots of lore twisting, and also lots of headcanon presented as facts

[Seival]

robertthebard wrote...

Seival wrote...

Any Reaper device is a fragment of the Reaper tech. No matter part of a Reaper ship, or some small generator - they all eradiate the same thing with power source or without it. Indoctrination is a part of organic half of Reaper tech. Remember destroyed proto-reaper remains inside Cerberus base, and how Liara reacted on its presence? "It's observing us!", but it's dead - only small pieces of it are still intact.

They tried to create their own husks based on Reaper tech they discovered, and we both know how that ended. They all became indoctrinated.

Lawson didn't look like indoctrinated? Yes, just like TIM. There are no visual signs of indoctrination until after person gets some Reaper tech based implants.

So, is my computer a part of my car?  My car has an onboard computer too.  Is the Collector Rifle capable of indoctrination?  It is, after all, Reaper Tech.  Maybe you're confused by the word fragment?   http://www.merriam-w...ionary/fragment  By definition, a complete device is not a fragment.  I'm really not interested in twisting the lore to fit your theory, and I am a staunch supporter of not twisting the English language to support theories as well, have been for a long time.

Comparing Reaper tech to something familiar is incorrect.

I believe that contacting with anything produced by the Reapers isn't good idea for the lesser creature. Even if it's just a Collector's rifle. But this rifle will not be as dangerous to its owner as something larger based on Reaper tech of course. The larger the Reaper object - the more dangerous it is. I think you can imagine how dangerous can be millions of derelict Reaper ships.

Leviathans' orbs are called Fragments, but they are not a part of some larger device - each orb is independent object.

Modifié par Seival, 27 avril 2013 - 06:13 .

[robertthebard]

Seival wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Seival wrote...

Any Reaper device is a fragment of the Reaper tech. No matter part of a Reaper ship, or some small generator - they all eradiate the same thing with power source or without it. Indoctrination is a part of organic half of Reaper tech. Remember destroyed proto-reaper remains inside Cerberus base, and how Liara reacted on its presence? "It's observing us!", but it's dead - only small pieces of it are still intact.

They tried to create their own husks based on Reaper tech they discovered, and we both know how that ended. They all became indoctrinated.

Lawson didn't look like indoctrinated? Yes, just like TIM. There are no visual signs of indoctrination until after person gets some Reaper tech based implants.

So, is my computer a part of my car?  My car has an onboard computer too.  Is the Collector Rifle capable of indoctrination?  It is, after all, Reaper Tech.  Maybe you're confused by the word fragment?   http://www.merriam-w...ionary/fragment  By definition, a complete device is not a fragment.  I'm really not interested in twisting the lore to fit your theory, and I am a staunch supporter of not twisting the English language to support theories as well, have been for a long time.

Comparing Reaper tech to something familiar is incorrect.

I believe that contacting with anything produced by the Reapers isn't good idea for the lesser creature. Even if it's just a Collector's rifle. But this rifle will not be as dangerous to its owner as something larger based on Reaper tech of course. The larger the Reaper object - the more dangerous it is. I think you can imagine how dangerous can be millions of derelict Reaper ships.

Leviathans' orbs are called Fragments, but they are not a part of some larger device - each orb is independent object.

Or perhaps they are part of something larger?  I, however, did not call the artifacts fragments, this is a name pinned on them by Leviathans.  I may have used it in this context however, I'm not sure.  However, that is far and away from saying the Arrival device is a fragment.  It is a complete machine, with a specific purpose.  Millions of derelict Reapers, if they are still functioning on some level can indeed be dangerous.  However, truly dead Reapers, I don't know, and nobody does.  The only one we have ever had contact with was the one in ME 2, and it wasn't dead, more like, it was in sleep mode.  Just enough power to keep it's Mass Effect field running, which would be enough for it to indoctrinate, evidently, since it did.  Stating what you think will happen with them as fact doesn't make it a fact.  I think what will happen is that they are completely shut down, and harmless.  See, I have now stated my opinion as fact, and I can support my theory with "Since it doesn't have any power, and the Indoctrination Signal requires power to function, they cannot indoctrinate".  So I guess my fact is more valid than your fact?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I must stop reading this thread. I just felt my IQ drop 5 points.

BTW, Seival, that husk probably had given Shepard all he had and is totally exhausted. Hence, the "dead" look. He could also just be a mouth breather.

You must have a lot of fun trolling this forum. I've got to hand it to you. Bravo! I have not seen this many ass pulls in a collection of posts before. It boggles one's mind. You have set a world record. You have beaten Mac Walters. And you do it far more humorously than Wolfie.

[Argolas]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I must stop reading this thread. I just felt my IQ drop 5 points.

Don't worry. The mental decay stops on its own after a while. You'll understand.