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[justafan]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

justafan wrote...

There is nothing "natural" about the Reapers. For one, they were created by a intelligent beings that are decidedly not deities. Second, if the "created destroy the creators" is in fact the natural and inevitable order of things, then it appears that the Reaper's mission is to defy nature.

They are simply a Terrible Disaster, nothing natural about 'em.

I don't think he literally means they're natural, just that they're comparable to natural disasters such as tornado, earthquake, fire, flood, what have you.

And hey, alien invasion is considered a "natural disaster" in Sim City. Go figure!

Anyways, I agree. The Reapers as some ancient mistake creation that got out of hand, I always it was something like that. They are a mistake, but not deliberate perpetrators of the cycle at hand.

Maybe this is EA hinting that a reaper invasion will be a DLC to sim-city?

On topic though, I was trying to point out that they are unnatural in their goals, if their goal is truly to stop the innevitable synthetic/organic conflict.  Anyways, I agree that they were a mistake however you look at it, and that mistake should be fixed.

[HiddenInWar]

Seival wrote...



...Also, let's not forget one obvious thing: there are only two main choices in the end - apply Synthesis now, or delay it for some time by different means.

How long exactly would that delay go on?

[Seival]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

justafan wrote...

There is nothing "natural" about the Reapers. For one, they were created by a intelligent beings that are decidedly not deities. Second, if the "created destroy the creators" is in fact the natural and inevitable order of things, then it appears that the Reaper's mission is to defy nature.

They are simply a Terrible Disaster, nothing natural about 'em.

I don't think he literally means they're natural, just that they're comparable to natural disasters such as tornado, earthquake, fire, flood, what have you.

And hey, alien invasion is considered a "natural disaster" in Sim City. Go figure!

Anyways, I agree. The Reapers as some ancient mistake creation that got out of hand, I always it was something like that. They are a mistake, but not deliberate perpetrators of the cycle at hand.

Even Leviathans stated the Catalyst and the Reapers were not a mistake. And I completely agree with that.

What would be a mistake is to watch how galaxy loses more and more habitable worlds because of the well known problem, and do nothing about that.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

What would be a mistake is to watch how galaxy loses more and more habitable worlds because of the well known problem, and do nothing about that.

. Yeah, leave your head canon out of discussions.  It isn't evidence.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaoers were designed to wage war.
The Catalyst is their leader, be turned on the Leviathans and killed them with his war machines.

They are synthetic creations, they are by their nature not part of nature. So any activity they undertake us not part if the natural cycle.

And there is no guarantee that Synthesis will be applied in the other endings. Control makes it unnecessary, and Destroy proves it is unnecessary.

Even for you this is lunacy.

If the Reapers were war machines, they could have much more powerful and accurate weapons at their disposal. The Reapers are powerful, but none of them are military machines. They don't even use tactics. Just frontal approach by force or indoctrination.

When most of Leviathans were killed Reapers didn't even exist. Leviathans were killed by probes designed to harvest organic materials. And the Reapers are just an improved version of those probes.

Everything created by Nature and by Nature's creations are parts of the Nature itself.

And then nature created the crucible, and my Shepard naturally used it to destroy the reapers.

Nature is truly wise, bro.

What you did is just delayed Synthesis.

And millions of derelict Reapers so close to galactic civilization was a very... hmm... specific gift to survivors.

Wow, a post that makes some sense from you.

Yes, I did delay synthesis. 

I delayed so that when it is finally induced, it will be for good cause, it won't have some stupid made up effect such as making organics "perfect" or giving "understanding" to synthetics, it will be scientifically plausible, it will be biologically plausible, it will be logically plausible, it won't be involuntary, and it won't be called the "final evolution of all life".

The thousands of derelict Reapers are going to be useful once we've dissassembled, studied, and integrated the technology. And no indoctrination is necessary either.

I love Destroy! 

(Or at least tolerate it among the current filth called an ending...<_<)

[GreyLycanTrope]

"Avatar of evolution"....

http://eventhisacron...age/19528545755

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 23 avril 2013 - 09:28 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Seival wrote...

The Reapers are not war machines, they are harvesters.
The Catalyst is not a dictator, it is the avatar of evolution.

The Cycled Harvests were so rare, so specific, and so inevitable that they could be called a part of natural life-and-death circle. With each new Cycle the Catalyst was closer and closer to the ideal solution which it was created to find.

Nature itself consumes lives. For what? Just to create new ones. A lot of them. Better then the previous ones. The Cycled Harvests were not much different, and were only temporary. Once the ideal solution was found and proved to be valid, it was just a matter of time before the idea of that solution comes true.

The Reapers were never interested in war. They were created as keepers of Nature balance. Even Leviathans, who were the first target themselves admitted that. The Catalyst and the Reapers did a lot of horrible things, but eventually they made the ideal solution possible. Let's not forget about that.

...Also, let's not forget one obvious thing: there are only two main choices in the end - apply Synthesis now, or delay it for some time by different means.

This is why the entire ending is completely nuts.

If the Reapers are not sentient starships made for war, then why are they armed to the teeth, armored to the core, and completely condescending of organic life? Combine harvesters are actual tools, yet you don't see them covered in composit tank armor and loaded up with 120mm cannons and 12.7mm machine guns that the use those weapons willy nilly.

The Catalyst is a dictator and the enforcer of anti-evolution. Don't like what he says? He either turns off the giant win machine or sets his armed harvesters after you. And his solution that has been enacted for billions of years put a giant stop on evolution. Any advanced civilizations that are space capable are destroyed every 50k years or so. That is the definition of anti-evolution. You kill off entire species because they got "too far".

The Reapers are the problem. They are harming the Galaxy.

[Seival]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Seival wrote...



...Also, let's not forget one obvious thing: there are only two main choices in the end - apply Synthesis now, or delay it for some time by different means.

How long exactly would that delay go on?

In case of Destroy? Considering the fact the Leviathans are observing each Cycle and have everything to enthrall a group of people to reconstruct the Citadel and the Crucible?

How long exactly do you think it will take to apply Synthesis after Destroy? This is inevitable, but that will not be the Shepard's deed of course.

Modifié par Seival, 23 avril 2013 - 09:28 .

[PsyrenY]

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaper deserve to be demonized.  They murdered trillions.  Even the Leviathans couldn't claim that.

True, but every death they caused paved the way for future races as well. The Leviathans may not have killed as many, but I would choose death over slavery myself.

[Ticonderoga117]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaper deserve to be demonized.  They murdered trillions.  Even the Leviathans couldn't claim that.

True, but every death they caused paved the way for future races as well. The Leviathans may not have killed as many, but I would choose death over slavery myself.

Paved the way to death. While death is preferable to slavery, when it's directed death (Yo, we left this tech behind so you'd fall into our trap) it's a really ****ty choice.

[Steelcan]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The Reaper deserve to be demonized.  They murdered trillions.  Even the Leviathans couldn't claim that.

True, but every death they caused paved the way for future races as well. The Leviathans may not have killed as many, but I would choose death over slavery myself.

. So it's ok that they killed people, so they could more people later 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Seival wrote...

Even Leviathans stated the Catalyst and the Reapers were not a mistake. And I completely agree with that.

What would be a mistake is to watch how galaxy loses more and more habitable worlds because of the well known problem, and do nothing about that.

I never cared for those lines (both Leviathan's and Shepard's before it).

I feel like they only wrote that part in for the stupid fans who don't get that the catalyst is *not* working on its own directive.

If it were no mistake, Leviathan would not be hiding. Synthetics were no threat to them before the catalyst/Reapers.

[PsyrenY]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Paved the way to death. While death is preferable to slavery, when it's directed death (Yo, we left this tech behind so you'd fall into our trap) it's a really ****ty choice.

The choice does indeed suck. But at least the right cycle won.

Steelcan wrote...

So it's ok that they killed people, so they could more people later 

Where did I say it was okay?

[teh DRUMPf!!]

tickle267 wrote...

***

Actual trolling does not make you cool, friendy.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

 A Seval thread.Hmm,i don't like popcorn.Give me a pizza

[AresKeith]

Seival thread = insta trolling or actually insane

[Ledgend1221]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival thread = insta trolling or actually insane

Insane.
At least trolls have a hidden joke.

[Wayning_Star]

Could it mean that if organic life form became capable of creating synthetic life that it's a natural occurrence within nature. Would evolution be an instigator of this, once beings became, or even before, space faring and surviving in that environment?

I'm unsure OP with the concept of apex of evolution tho, it would seem an ongoing process, even IF synthetic and organic life were conjoined some how. It is seeming inherent though, that synthetic 'stuff' is and will become more ingrained within the metrics of existence. Even sentience in machines, as well as synthetics in organic life forms, such as humans. It could be considered just another form of tool using. How evolution be affected by that variable is, as all things 'evolutionary' time based.

[Wayning_Star]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival thread = insta trolling or actually insane

Insane.
At least trolls have a hidden joke.

yeah, too bad they're usually/most often on themselves. Trolls should at least have competent riddles to cross that confounded bridge?

[Astartes Marine]

Seival wrote...
The Reapers are not war machines, they are harvesters.

They have destroyed countless civilizations because of their directives from a flawed construct.

I give them the same nickname the Shivans from Descent Freespace have, "the Destroyers" for it is all they do.

Seival wrote...
The Catalyst is not a dictator, it is the avatar of evolution.

It is a flawed construct.  It was given too broad a mandate and far too much latitude to decide a course of action. 

It also eventually fulfilled it's own prophecy of preventing synthetic life from destroying it's creators...by being synthetic life and destroying it's creators.

Seival wrote...
The
Cycled Harvests were so rare, so specific, and so inevitable that they
could be called a part of natural life-and-death circle.

The cycles were a manufactured effect from a force of synthetic sapient starships controlled by a synthetic intelligence.
There is nothing "natural" about it.

Seival wrote...
With each new
Cycle the Catalyst was closer and closer to the ideal solution which it
was created to find.

HOW?  HOW did you come to this conclusion?  All they do is destroy!  They haven't evolved!  Two classes of starship, the capitals similar in design to the original, Harbinger and the newer Destroyer type.  Ground troops made from the mutilated corpses of the races from that particular cycle.  There was no growth, no evolution, just death and destruction.  Look what they turned the Protheans into for example, mindless drones with no soul, no civilization, nothing of what they were.  Husks in the purest sense of the word.

Seival wrote...
Nature itself consumes lives. For what? Just
to create new ones. A lot of them. Better then the previous ones. The
Cycled Harvests were not much different, and were only temporary. Once
the ideal solution was found and proved to be valid, it was just a
matter of time before the idea of that solution comes true.

The. Cycles. Are. Not. Natural.

Seival wrote...
The
Reapers were never interested in war. They were created as keepers of
Nature balance. Even Leviathans, who were the first target themselves
admitted that. The Catalyst and the Reapers did a lot of horrible
things, but eventually they made the ideal solution possible. Let's not
forget about that.

The result DOES NOT EXCUSE the actions taken to achieve it.  



You're completely frakking insane.  Supporting the Reapers and their motives, lauding the Holocaust, and supporting the idea of a modern eugenics program...there wasn't anyone on this site that I could consider myself to be truly disgusted at before today.  That has changed.

[StoneSwords]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

justafan wrote...

There is nothing "natural" about the Reapers. For one, they were created by a intelligent beings that are decidedly not deities. Second, if the "created destroy the creators" is in fact the natural and inevitable order of things, then it appears that the Reaper's mission is to defy nature.

They are simply a Terrible Disaster, nothing natural about 'em.

I don't think he literally means they're natural, just that they're comparable to natural disasters such as tornado, earthquake, fire, flood, what have you.

And hey, alien invasion is considered a "natural disaster" in Sim City. Go figure!

Anyways, I agree. The Reapers as some ancient mistake creation that got out of hand, I always it was something like that. They are a mistake, but not deliberate perpetrators of the cycle at hand.

No, those are what are called acts of God, and God had nothing to do with murderous sentient war machines sporting organic goo inside of them, or a psychotic AI that "thinks" it knows best for the evolution of all organic kind.  So, no, there's nothing natural about the reapers at all

[AlexMBrennan]

...Also, let's not forget one obvious thing: there are only two main choices in the end - apply Synthesis now, or delay it for some time by different means.

Strangely, I do not remember seeing that in my Destroy ending.

[drayfish]

I agree.

Serial killers are just, like, nature, man.  They're just, like, totally life and stuff.  Totally real.

They're like wild fires on the African plains.  Or that last dew drop glistening on a petal on a summer's dawn.  Or, you know, running someone over in your car.

Nature, man.

Sevial is right.  Who are you all to judge nature?  How dare you stare down your nose at those things you do not understand.  Just because someone wants to make a skin suit out of you in their basement, do not scoff at them.  Do not fear them.  They understand perfection.  And they will help you ascend.

Just open your eyes, people!  Maybe if you embrace their vision they will let you be a dinner vest or something.

IT'S THE CIIIIIIIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIFE!





p.s. - Sevial, your impersonation of a completely unhinged zealot gets more inspired every day.

Modifié par drayfish, 23 avril 2013 - 10:31 .

[teh DRUMPf!!]

StoneSwords wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

justafan wrote...

There is nothing "natural" about the Reapers. For one, they were created by a intelligent beings that are decidedly not deities. Second, if the "created destroy the creators" is in fact the natural and inevitable order of things, then it appears that the Reaper's mission is to defy nature.

They are simply a Terrible Disaster, nothing natural about 'em.

I don't think he literally means they're natural, just that they're comparable to natural disasters such as tornado, earthquake, fire, flood, what have you.

And hey, alien invasion is considered a "natural disaster" in Sim City. Go figure!

Anyways, I agree. The Reapers as some ancient mistake creation that got out of hand, I always it was something like that. They are a mistake, but not deliberate perpetrators of the cycle at hand.

No, those are what are called acts of God, and God had nothing to do with murderous sentient war machines sporting organic goo inside of them, or a psychotic AI that "thinks" it knows best for the evolution of all organic kind.  So, no, there's nothing natural about the reapers at all

lol