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[MassivelyEffective0730]

You're kidding yourself if you think Mass Effect is "high end" science fiction.

The themes and characters maybe. But not the writing. The writing is pretty basic. It's not philosophical or enlightening at all.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

. Mass Effect doesn't even qualify as Star Wars 2.0 it's more along the lines of Star Trek.  

The shielding is incessantly because there is no power source that indicated indoctrination is possible.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

The shielding is only a precaution nothing more

Without that "nothing more" something like Sanctuary always happens.

Now your just grasping for straws

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think that the ending concept fits the story just perfectly. And we couldn't expect anything but bittersweet and completely unpredictable ending, where you can't win... but can take part in great, and unimaginable galactic-scale changes.

"Could have been completely inert" can't prove anything. But fact of shielding can. Also, let's not forget about Arrival and Sanctuary. This is what happens when Reaper tech left unshielded and/or used for some experiments.

. ME has always been a fairly typical, shooter action story.  The other two endings (except Shepard dies in ME2) are pretty optimistic and hopeful.  The whole series has always been about defying the odds.  It was foolish to go against Saren, Sovereign was supposed to be invincible, the Collector Base attack was a suicide run etc... Shepard has always defied the odds.  The ending takes this away so the writers can have their Deus Ex rip off.

Once again, that shielding may have been unnecessary.  Object Rho and the Human Reaper still had functioning power sources.  That little bit did not.  The shielding might just have been an unnecessary precaution.

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

How about standard safety procedures around the world? do you know how many airplanes crash per year? about a dozen to two dozen out of the tens, if not hundreds of thousands of flights that happen every year. but every commercial plane still has inflatable life rafts and life preservers. it's just common sense to prepare for the unlikely. if that piece of Sovereign had been proven to indoctrinate someone, it likely would have been taken by C-sec to be scrapped. the shielding is just a sensible precaution

Modifié par xlegionx, 30 avril 2013 - 12:24 .

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

. Mass Effect doesn't even qualify as Star Wars 2.0 it's more along the lines of Star Trek.  

The shielding is incessantly because there is no power source that indicated indoctrination is possible.

Mass Effect has nothing to do with Star Wars or Star Track. Mass Effect is too deep and instructive to be compared to those two.

Like I said, indoctrination comes from Leviathans. It's a property of organic part of a Reaper, and doesn't require mass effect cores to function.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Mass Effect has nothing to do with Star Wars or Star Track. Mass Effect is too deep and instructive to be compared to those two.

Like I said, indoctrination comes from Leviathans. It's a property of organic part of a Reaper, and doesn't require mass effect cores to function.

then you are simply denying what is plainly evident.  The parallels are numerous and clear.  

Yes it does.  Indoctrination requires energy, enthrall ment also requires energy, but in the form of ATP most likely.  This is made clear in the codex.

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

. Mass Effect doesn't even qualify as Star Wars 2.0 it's more along the lines of Star Trek.  

The shielding is incessantly because there is no power source that indicated indoctrination is possible.

Mass Effect has nothing to do with Star Wars or Star Track. Mass Effect is too deep and instructive to be compared to those two.

Like I said, indoctrination comes from Leviathans. It's a property of organic part of a Reaper, and doesn't require mass effect cores to function.

Stop with the headcanon. the idea of indoctrination came from the Leviathan's abilities. the Reaper's indoctrination abilities are, however, a mixture of ultra- and infrasound signals and an electro-magnetic field the Reapers emit. power is therefore required

Proof:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination 

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

. Mass Effect doesn't even qualify as Star Wars 2.0 it's more along the lines of Star Trek.  

The shielding is incessantly because there is no power source that indicated indoctrination is possible.

Mass Effect has nothing to do with Star Wars or Star Track. Mass Effect is too deep and instructive to be compared to those two.

Like I said, indoctrination comes from Leviathans. It's a property of organic part of a Reaper, and doesn't require mass effect cores to function.

Stop with the headcanon. the idea of indoctrination came from the Leviathan's abilities. the Reaper's indoctrination abilities are, however, a mixture of ultra- and infrasound signals and an electro-magnetic field the Reapers emit. power is therefore required

Proof:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination 

Say that to the small part of Nazara:

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 30 avril 2013 - 12:35 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

You touch it's mind fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. It is Seival and it is the vanguard of your indoctrination!

[Ravensword]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You touch it's mind fumbling in ignorance, incapable of understanding. It is Seival and it is the vanguard of your indoctrination!

This reminds me of those D.Kain threads. 

Modifié par Ravensword, 30 avril 2013 - 12:37 .

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

. Mass Effect doesn't even qualify as Star Wars 2.0 it's more along the lines of Star Trek.  

The shielding is incessantly because there is no power source that indicated indoctrination is possible.

Mass Effect has nothing to do with Star Wars or Star Track. Mass Effect is too deep and instructive to be compared to those two.

Like I said, indoctrination comes from Leviathans. It's a property of organic part of a Reaper, and doesn't require mass effect cores to function.

Stop with the headcanon. the idea of indoctrination came from the Leviathan's abilities. the Reaper's indoctrination abilities are, however, a mixture of ultra- and infrasound signals and an electro-magnetic field the Reapers emit. power is therefore required

Proof:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination 

Say that to the small part of Nazara:

You also seem to haved skipped my last post. the shielding is called a precaution. such things exist the world over. people taking unnecessary precautions in such potentially dangerous situations

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ravensword wrote...

This reminds me of those D.Kain threads. 

Oh such happy times!

He was always so adamant that Morinth was just tragically misunderstood.

I'm sure he let banshee Morinth gut him to prove his point.

[Ravensword]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

This reminds me of those D.Kain threads. 

Oh such happy times!

He was always so adamant that Morinth was just tragically misunderstood.

I'm sure he let banshee Morinth gut him to prove his point.

Yep. It all seems so quaint now.

She was as misunderstood as Charles Manson.

[Astartes Marine]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...
Say that to the small part of Nazara:

You also seem to haved skipped my last post. the shielding is called a precaution. such things exist the world over. people taking unnecessary precautions in such potentially dangerous situations

You DO realize that you're trying to argue with the real life equivalent of a pyjak...right? 

Modifié par Astartes Marine, 30 avril 2013 - 12:44 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...


Say that to the small part of Nazara:

That doesn't mean it's gonna indoctrinate them, and Ann was talking about the Orb derp

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Disagree. For me Mass Effect Trilogy looked philosophical from the very beginning. Ghost in the Shell, Appleseed, Deus Ex... Those names are in the same line with ME Trilogy. The whole series was always about moral choices, and philosophical questions. Mass Effect was never "Star Wars 2.0".

The shielding is necessary, unless proved otherwise. There are several proves of necessary shielding, and no proves of unnecessary shielding.

. Mass Effect doesn't even qualify as Star Wars 2.0 it's more along the lines of Star Trek.  

The shielding is incessantly because there is no power source that indicated indoctrination is possible.

Mass Effect has nothing to do with Star Wars or Star Track. Mass Effect is too deep and instructive to be compared to those two.

Like I said, indoctrination comes from Leviathans. It's a property of organic part of a Reaper, and doesn't require mass effect cores to function.

Stop with the headcanon. the idea of indoctrination came from the Leviathan's abilities. the Reaper's indoctrination abilities are, however, a mixture of ultra- and infrasound signals and an electro-magnetic field the Reapers emit. power is therefore required

Proof:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination 

Say that to the small part of Nazara:

You also seem to haved skipped my last post. the shielding is called a precaution. such things exist the world over. people taking unnecessary precautions in such potentially dangerous situations

And as I told before, Sanctuary, for example, proves that the precautions were actually very necessary.

Well, Sanctuary also proves that there is no 100% shielding against indoctrination. Leviathan DLC also proves that. It's only a matter of time and distance. Considering millions of derelict Reapers all around, galactic civilization is in big trouble without Leviathans' help.

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...


Say that to the small part of Nazara:

That doesn't mean it's gonna indoctrinate them, and Ann was talking about the Orb derp

EDI's question was about the part of Nazara, and Ann's answer was also about the part of Nazara. She started to talk about the orb when she mentioned it as "artifact".

Modifié par Seival, 30 avril 2013 - 12:47 .

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...



Stop with the headcanon. the idea of indoctrination came from the Leviathan's abilities. the Reaper's indoctrination abilities are, however, a mixture of ultra- and infrasound signals and an electro-magnetic field the Reapers emit. power is therefore required

Proof:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination 

Say that to the small part of Nazara:

You also seem to haved skipped my last post. the shielding is called a precaution. such things exist the world over. people taking unnecessary precautions in such potentially dangerous situations

And as I told before, Sanctuary, for example, proves that the precautions were actually very necessary.

Well, Sanctuary also proves that there is no 100% shielding against indoctrination. Leviathan DLC also proves that. It's only a matter of time and distance. Considering millions of derelict Reapers all around, galactic civilization is in big trouble without Leviathans' help.

How does Sanctuary prove that shielding doesn't work? As I recall, they were delibrately turing people into husks, and the Cerberus agents conducting the experiments likely already had Reaper implants or some level of indoctrination from previous exposure to Reaper indoctrination devices

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...


Say that to the small part of Nazara:

That doesn't mean it's gonna indoctrinate them, and Ann was talking about the Orb derp

EDI's question was about the part of Nazara, and Ann's answer was also about the part of Nazara. She started to talk about the orb when she mentioned it as "artifact".

Yes EDI's question was about the piece of the Reaper, they shielded it as a precaution but that doesn't mean it was gonna indoctrinate

but Ann saying she's already Indoctrinated was referring to the orb

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...



Stop with the headcanon. the idea of indoctrination came from the Leviathan's abilities. the Reaper's indoctrination abilities are, however, a mixture of ultra- and infrasound signals and an electro-magnetic field the Reapers emit. power is therefore required

Proof:masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Indoctrination 

Say that to the small part of Nazara:

You also seem to haved skipped my last post. the shielding is called a precaution. such things exist the world over. people taking unnecessary precautions in such potentially dangerous situations

And as I told before, Sanctuary, for example, proves that the precautions were actually very necessary.

Well, Sanctuary also proves that there is no 100% shielding against indoctrination. Leviathan DLC also proves that. It's only a matter of time and distance. Considering millions of derelict Reapers all around, galactic civilization is in big trouble without Leviathans' help.

How does Sanctuary prove that shielding doesn't work? As I recall, they were delibrately turing people into husks, and the Cerberus agents conducting the experiments likely already had Reaper implants or some level of indoctrination from previous exposure to Reaper indoctrination devices

Do you really believe that personnel didn't try to protect themselves in the process (long before or during Sanctuary events)? We all know what happens to the ones who tries to experiment with Reaper tech. Shielded or not. And it doesn't matter if that Reaper tech is alive or dead. It's just a matter of time.

How are you going to prevent expeditions inside the derelict Reapers?
How are you going to stop all those new "TIM"s that will appear after Destroy in really great numbers?
How can you clean this mess without Leviathans help?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

How can you not see the beauty of the Seival's message? s/he only wants to help you ascend!



Seriously though listen to yourself Seival! You're indoctrinated! They own you now!

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 30 avril 2013 - 12:56 .

[Argolas]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

How can you not see the beauty of the Seival's message? s/he only wants to help you ascend!



Seriously though listen to yourself Seival! You're indoctrinated! They own you now!

Easy there, it's not how you think. Just calm down, relax and watch a cool TV show about our hero.

[Steelcan]

If people ARE, which is a very big are, indoctrinated, they will simply turn into a drooling peon. The exact same fate of the indoctrinated Protheans who were abandoned after the Reapers returned to Dark Space.

[Morlath]

Seival wrote...

Do you really believe that personnel didn't try to protect themselves in the process (long before or during Sanctuary events)? We all know what happens to the ones who tries to experiment with Reaper tech. Shielded or not. And it doesn't matter if that Reaper tech is alive or dead. It's just a matter of time.

How are you going to prevent expeditions inside the derelict Reapers?
How are you going to stop all those new "TIM"s that will appear after Destroy in really great numbers?
How can you clean this mess without Leviathans help?

Wait. What?

Maybe my eyes glazed over one too many posts in this thread but you're advocating the aid of a species which, by its own admission, mind controlled trillions of lives across unknown number of different species and had the arrogance to not only create the Catalyst and sit back whilst trillions more got slaughtered by the Reapers but that also believed none of it was a mistake?

You want those Leviathan to help?