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[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

According to you, they shielded the part of Nazara just for fun. Let them un-shield it and see what happens next. One more Sanctuary, but faster, and on the Citadel. Nice plan.

I know that Ann saying she's already indoctrinated was referring to the orb. But we are talking about Nazara's part, not about the orb.

^ This is being thick-headed at its best

1. Where in the hell did I saw they did it for fun? I said they shielded it as a precaution because they don't know what would happen, but that doesn't mean its gonna indoctrinate them if its un-shielded

Sovereign is dead so he can't indoctrinate anyone

2. Then stop claiming Sovereign indoctrinated people in Leviathan

You are literally lose in your headcanon and obsession with the Reapers

(1) From the dialogue:
EDI: "Did you take appropriate steps to prevent indoctrination?" indoctrination, not explosion or something else.
Ann: "Of course, it was completely shielded...".

And that was before Ann mentioned the orb in that dialogue, which means they discussed the part of Nazara. If you will start to argue with that, then I can only suggest you to learn English better.


(2) Derelict Reaper was also dead. Almost in the same condition as Nazara - falling apart. Dead Reaper is not connected the Catalyst, obviously. No one could guide the derelict Reaper and the new victims aboard. No one could "turn indoctrination ON and give the target". Reaper indoctrination is based on Leviathans inborn ability, so it's not a tech power. Indoctrination comes from organic part of the Reaper, and so doesn't require mass effect core. Indoctrination is radiation that requires no power sources. That's why EDI asked the obvious question, and received the obvious answer (see 1).

How about you stop ignoring established facts about Indoctrination: It is not an organic thing, it is a mixture of signals and an electromagnetic field, NOT radiation. therefore it requires power. You have no proof that indoctrination is the result of radiation

Modifié par xlegionx, 01 mai 2013 - 01:03 .

[Reptilian Rob]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

According to you, they shielded the part of Nazara just for fun. Let them un-shield it and see what happens next. One more Sanctuary, but faster, and on the Citadel. Nice plan.

I know that Ann saying she's already indoctrinated was referring to the orb. But we are talking about Nazara's part, not about the orb.

^ This is being thick-headed at its best

1. Where in the hell did I saw they did it for fun? I said they shielded it as a precaution because they don't know what would happen, but that doesn't mean its gonna indoctrinate them if its un-shielded

Sovereign is dead so he can't indoctrinate anyone

2. Then stop claiming Sovereign indoctrinated people in Leviathan

You are literally lose in your headcanon and obsession with the Reapers

(1) From the dialogue:
EDI: "Did you take appropriate steps to prevent indoctrination?" indoctrination, not explosion or something else.
Ann: "Of course, it was completely shielded...".

And that was before Ann mentioned the orb in that dialogue, which means they discussed the part of Nazara. If you will start to argue with that, then I can only suggest you to learn English better.


(2) Derelict Reaper was also dead. Almost in the same condition as Nazara - falling apart. Dead Reaper is not connected the Catalyst, obviously. No one could guide the derelict Reaper and the new victims aboard. No one could "turn indoctrination ON and give the target". Reaper indoctrination is based on Leviathans inborn ability, so it's not a tech power. Indoctrination comes from organic part of the Reaper, and so doesn't require mass effect core. Indoctrination is radiation that requires no power sources. That's why EDI asked the obvious question, and received the obvious answer (see 1).

How about you stop ignoring established facts about Indoctrination: It is not an organic thing, it is a mixture of siganls and an electromagnetic things, NOT radiation. therefore it requires power. You have no proof that indoctrination is the result of radiation

What am I reading?

[Seival]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Never thought of it that way. Maybe Destroy isn't the way to go.

What if a Reaper corpse has an unstable orbit and it decays too rapidly to stop?

That's a 1.2 mile piece of metal that will slam into some part of the Earth. And with hundreds of them? One alone is going to be doing some very serious damage when it impacts. And they're too big to completely burn up in the atmosphere.

Yes, that is also a threat. Threat for each world where Reapers invaded.

Destroy creates true chaos:
 - Derelict Reapers.
 - Dead Reapers falling down from the orbits.
 - Millions of wounded, who need help.
 - Millions of dead people who need burial.
 - Political instability.
 - Weakened police force.
 - Reinforced criminal elements.
 - Food and water shortages.
 - Lack of people and resources to deal with everything above.

And in addition to that all - death of the Geth and EDI - the ones who could actually help a lot after the Harvests were stopped.

Do you still think this mess can be cleaned without Leviathans' help? Leviathans are still out there, and will not allow lesser races to die. Leviathans is the force that mitigates most damage from threats above. That's why we see peaceful slides in Destroy ending. There is no other logical explanation.

[Steelcan]

Seival, how do you explain the ending slides before Leviathan was released.

Honestly I'm sad to see that you have such a poor estimation of the galaxy's capabilities.

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

According to you, they shielded the part of Nazara just for fun. Let them un-shield it and see what happens next. One more Sanctuary, but faster, and on the Citadel. Nice plan.

I know that Ann saying she's already indoctrinated was referring to the orb. But we are talking about Nazara's part, not about the orb.

^ This is being thick-headed at its best

1. Where in the hell did I saw they did it for fun? I said they shielded it as a precaution because they don't know what would happen, but that doesn't mean its gonna indoctrinate them if its un-shielded

Sovereign is dead so he can't indoctrinate anyone

2. Then stop claiming Sovereign indoctrinated people in Leviathan

You are literally lose in your headcanon and obsession with the Reapers

(1) From the dialogue:
EDI: "Did you take appropriate steps to prevent indoctrination?" indoctrination, not explosion or something else.
Ann: "Of course, it was completely shielded...".

And that was before Ann mentioned the orb in that dialogue, which means they discussed the part of Nazara. If you will start to argue with that, then I can only suggest you to learn English better.


(2) Derelict Reaper was also dead. Almost in the same condition as Nazara - falling apart. Dead Reaper is not connected the Catalyst, obviously. No one could guide the derelict Reaper and the new victims aboard. No one could "turn indoctrination ON and give the target". Reaper indoctrination is based on Leviathans inborn ability, so it's not a tech power. Indoctrination comes from organic part of the Reaper, and so doesn't require mass effect core. Indoctrination is radiation that requires no power sources. That's why EDI asked the obvious question, and received the obvious answer (see 1).

How about you stop ignoring established facts about Indoctrination: It is not an organic thing, it is a mixture of siganls and an electromagnetic things, NOT radiation. therefore it requires power. You have no proof that indoctrination is the result of radiation

Play Leviathan DLC, please. And listen to the Dialogues carefully.

Also, please stop refering to the codex. It's the most outdated and bugged part of the game.

[Steelcan]

Seival you can't ignore the codex just because it doesn't suit your head canon.

[xlegionx]

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival, how do you explain the ending slides before Leviathan was released.

Honestly I'm sad to see that you have such a poor estimation of the galaxy's capabilities.

Easily: "Wait for some more details, please". Leviathan DLC was inevitable. Without it Destroy slides were not logical.

Actually, I'm sure that EC was planned even before ME3 initial release. Planned as the last DLC, but moved to the first place after all that vocal hate. If not that hate, Leviathan DLC would have been released before EC. BioWare had to make the ending incomplete initially, because they obviously wanted to expand pre-ending experience and the ending itself later - via DLCs. And that is 100% understandable.

[AresKeith]

I like how Seival quickly discounts people's proof but hardly shows his own

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival, how do you explain the ending slides before Leviathan was released.

Honestly I'm sad to see that you have such a poor estimation of the galaxy's capabilities.

Easily: "Wait for some more details, please". Leviathan DLC was inevitable. Without it Destroy slides were not logical.

Actually, I'm sure that EC was planned even before ME3 initial release. Planned as the last DLC, but moved to the first place after all that vocal hate. If not that hate, Leviathan DLC would have been released before EC. BioWare had to make the ending incomplete initially, because they obviously wanted to expand pre-ending experience and the ending itself later - via DLCs. And that is 100% understandable.

. So your defense is a conspiracy theory.  

[Steelcan]

From your hero.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=hq9ux3sc5Cw

Modifié par Steelcan, 01 mai 2013 - 01:19 .

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

They do use the exact abilities. Indoctrination was not the Catalyst's invention. Indoctrination is based on Leviathans' organic material, that was harvested long time ago and used during each Reaper creation. Each Reaper is created in Leviathans' image, remember? That doesn't mean just similar appearance.

You should have known that, if you listened to the Leviathan dialogue carefully.

[Peranor]

Argolas wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

How can you not see the beauty of the Seival's message? s/he only wants to help you ascend!



Seriously though listen to yourself Seival! You're indoctrinated! They own you now!

Easy there, it's not how you think. Just calm down, relax and watch a cool TV show about our hero.

Ha! Thank you for that video 

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

They do use the exact abilities. Indoctrination was not the Catalyst's invention. Indoctrination is based on Leviathans' organic material, that was harvested long time ago and used during each Reaper creation. Each Reaper is created in Leviathans' image, remember? That doesn't mean just similar appearance.

You should have known that, if you listened to the Leviathan dialogue carefully.

And if you didn't discredit the codex as canon that supercedes your headcanon, you would know that is not the case.

[Steelcan]

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

They do use the exact abilities. Indoctrination was not the Catalyst's invention. Indoctrination is based on Leviathans' organic material, that was harvested long time ago and used during each Reaper creation. Each Reaper is created in Leviathans' image, remember? That doesn't mean just similar appearance.

You should have known that, if you listened to the Leviathan dialogue carefully.

. Stop making up information to suit your head canon.

[Seival]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Seival, how do you explain the ending slides before Leviathan was released.

Honestly I'm sad to see that you have such a poor estimation of the galaxy's capabilities.

Easily: "Wait for some more details, please". Leviathan DLC was inevitable. Without it Destroy slides were not logical.

Actually, I'm sure that EC was planned even before ME3 initial release. Planned as the last DLC, but moved to the first place after all that vocal hate. If not that hate, Leviathan DLC would have been released before EC. BioWare had to make the ending incomplete initially, because they obviously wanted to expand pre-ending experience and the ending itself later - via DLCs. And that is 100% understandable.

. So your defense is a conspiracy theory.  

There is no conspiracy in that. Just logical thought about the game development process.
Besides, you should remember the BioWare official response about changing ME3 DLC schedule.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

I like how Seival quickly discounts people's proof but hardly shows his own

He discounts the codex. 

Seival is wrong. Absolutely wrong.

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

They do use the exact abilities. Indoctrination was not the Catalyst's invention. Indoctrination is based on Leviathans' organic material, that was harvested long time ago and used during each Reaper creation. Each Reaper is created in Leviathans' image, remember? That doesn't mean just similar appearance.

You should have known that, if you listened to the Leviathan dialogue carefully.

And if you didn't discredit the codex as canon that supercedes your headcanon, you would know that is not the case.

When game conflicts with the codex - the game takes priority, and codex just becomes outdated.

[xlegionx]

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

They do use the exact abilities. Indoctrination was not the Catalyst's invention. Indoctrination is based on Leviathans' organic material, that was harvested long time ago and used during each Reaper creation. Each Reaper is created in Leviathans' image, remember? That doesn't mean just similar appearance.

You should have known that, if you listened to the Leviathan dialogue carefully.

And if you didn't discredit the codex as canon that supercedes your headcanon, you would know that is not the case.

When game conflicts with the codex - the game takes priority, and codex just becomes outdated.

Okay, then give me a specific example where the codex contradicts the game (your headcanon does not count as being part of the game) video proof would be a plus but not necessary if it can be validated

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Never thought of it that way. Maybe Destroy isn't the way to go.

What if a Reaper corpse has an unstable orbit and it decays too rapidly to stop?

That's a 1.2 mile piece of metal that will slam into some part of the Earth. And with hundreds of them? One alone is going to be doing some very serious damage when it impacts. And they're too big to completely burn up in the atmosphere.

Yes, that is also a threat. Threat for each world where Reapers invaded.

Destroy creates true chaos:
 - Derelict Reapers.
 - Dead Reapers falling down from the orbits.
 - Millions of wounded, who need help.
 - Millions of dead people who need burial.
 - Political instability.
 - Weakened police force.
 - Reinforced criminal elements.
 - Food and water shortages.
 - Lack of people and resources to deal with everything above.

And in addition to that all - death of the Geth and EDI - the ones who could actually help a lot after the Harvests were stopped.

Do you still think this mess can be cleaned without Leviathans' help? Leviathans are still out there, and will not allow lesser races to die. Leviathans is the force that mitigates most damage from threats above. That's why we see peaceful slides in Destroy ending. There is no other logical explanation.

You can't detect sarcasm well. Even if that were the case I'd still choose destroy. Those events have always occurred in War. That is the very nature of war. But we're alive and we're free. Free from the Reapers, free from Leviathan, free from everything that once binded us to the cycle. Now it is time to pick up the peaces and continue. 

And once again, you are making an invalid argument.

Rebuilding and happy slides =/= Leviathan. 

Leviathan isn't there. He never was there on Earth. Oh Seival, why do you delude yourself with your false claims of synthesis?

We will do it ourselves. We will rebuild ourselves. We will be forever free now. No longer living in fear of endless cycles of destruction. It's over. It's done. Leviathan be damned.

You know why?

http://t1.gstatic.co...wccnimlSxk_uvjw


Because we have a Death Star.

[robertthebard]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Never thought of it that way. Maybe Destroy isn't the way to go.

What if a Reaper corpse has an unstable orbit and it decays too rapidly to stop?

That's a 1.2 mile piece of metal that will slam into some part of the Earth. And with hundreds of them? One alone is going to be doing some very serious damage when it impacts. And they're too big to completely burn up in the atmosphere.

Yes, that is also a threat. Threat for each world where Reapers invaded.

Destroy creates true chaos:
 - Derelict Reapers.
 - Dead Reapers falling down from the orbits.
 - Millions of wounded, who need help.
 - Millions of dead people who need burial.
 - Political instability.
 - Weakened police force.
 - Reinforced criminal elements.
 - Food and water shortages.
 - Lack of people and resources to deal with everything above.

And in addition to that all - death of the Geth and EDI - the ones who could actually help a lot after the Harvests were stopped.

Do you still think this mess can be cleaned without Leviathans' help? Leviathans are still out there, and will not allow lesser races to die. Leviathans is the force that mitigates most damage from threats above. That's why we see peaceful slides in Destroy ending. There is no other logical explanation.

You can't detect sarcasm well. Even if that were the case I'd still choose destroy. Those events have always occurred in War. That is the very nature of war. But we're alive and we're free. Free from the Reapers, free from Leviathan, free from everything that once binded us to the cycle. Now it is time to pick up the peaces and continue. 

And once again, you are making an invalid argument.

Rebuilding and happy slides =/= Leviathan. 

Leviathan isn't there. He never was there on Earth. Oh Seival, why do you delude yourself with your false claims of synthesis?

We will do it ourselves. We will rebuild ourselves. We will be forever free now. No longer living in fear of endless cycles of destruction. It's over. It's done. Leviathan be damned.

You know why?

http://t1.gstatic.co...wccnimlSxk_uvjw


Because we have a Death Star.

I want one, I want one...

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

^These humans understand.

Resist the darkness of the Seival, madness lies that way.

[dreamgazer]

Have I told you guys about the army of underwater-friendly Godzillas my Shepard secretly bred in case of an emergency?

(cracks knuckles)

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

dreamgazer wrote...

Have I told you guys about the army of underwater-friendly Godzillas my Shepard secretly bred in case of an emergency?

(cracks knuckles)

Nah man the best way to fix this problem is by designing an AI to fix everything.

There's no way that can possibly go wrong!

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Have I told you guys about the army of underwater-friendly Godzillas my Shepard secretly bred in case of an emergency?

(cracks knuckles)

That sounds like a movie