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[MassivelyEffective0730]

Fools. Everyone knows that the sound of ROCK & ROLL from an Electric Guitar will kill the Reapers.

The lightning will overload their circuits!

My proof is that whenever rock music plays, Shepard is superpowered and enemies die.

However, since BW wants us to love and embrace the Reapers, they never play rock music so that Shepard can't utilize his super strength. The electronic and soundtrack music make him cool, but they don't have that power for Shepard. That is why the Reapers use electronic music.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 01 mai 2013 - 05:04 .

[dreamgazer]

 Sounds like "sufficiently advanced technology" to me.  Plus, it explains Mansell's piano music.

[Astartes Marine]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
^These humans understand.
Resist the darkness of the Seival, madness lies that way.

I'm just going to say it, Seival's a Necron in disguise. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Astartes Marine wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
^These humans understand.
Resist the darkness of the Seival, madness lies that way.

I'm just going to say it, Seival's a Necron in disguise. 

Ciaphas Cain HERO OF THE IMPERIUM is our only hope now.








We are so accidentally saved!

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 01 mai 2013 - 05:27 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
^These humans understand.
Resist the darkness of the Seival, madness lies that way.

I'm just going to say it, Seival's a Necron in disguise. 

Ciaphas Cain HERO OF THE IMPERIUM is our only hope now.








We are so accidentally saved!

With a pinch of sarcasm and wit.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Argolas wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I wouldn't call cyclical genocide a natural disaster. I call it planned evilness.

Evilness is relative. Nature kills countless people every day. sometimes in very brutal ways. Yet nature also gave us all our lives. Is nature evil?

Nature does not plan. Nature does not indoctrinate. Nature does not interfere in wars. Nature does not turn the bodies against others. Nature is not self-aware and capable of creative and independent thought.

[cannedcream]

This person's entire argument is like watching a written train wreck happen in slow motion. It's horrible, and yet somehow beautiful.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

cannedcream wrote...

This person's entire argument is like watching a written train wreck happen in slow motion. It's horrible, and yet somehow beautiful.

That is Seival's argument for you. All of them.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 01 mai 2013 - 06:11 .

[Astartes Marine]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Argolas wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I wouldn't call cyclical genocide a natural disaster. I call it planned evilness.

Evilness is relative. Nature kills countless people every day. sometimes in very brutal ways. Yet nature also gave us all our lives. Is nature evil?

Nature does not plan. Nature does not indoctrinate. Nature does not interfere in wars. Nature does not turn the bodies against others. Nature is not self-aware and capable of creative and independent thought.

Not to disagree or anything but nature can interfere with the procedings of a war, my uncle on my father's side served with future president Gerald R. Ford on the USS Monterey, an Independance class light carrier in WWII.  There was a particular incident where Admiral Halsey unwittingly led a whole task force including the Monterey right into the heart of a typhoon that led to the deaths of nearly eight hundred brave men, the loss of three destroyers, and nearly one hundred and fifty aircraft.
Most of the surviving ships suffered moderate to severe damage and the whole task force had to return to port for a few months.

Interefere yes, but not with any kind of sentience or thought like the Reapers.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Seival wrote...

Argolas wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I wouldn't call cyclical genocide a natural disaster. I call it planned evilness.

Evilness is relative. Nature kills countless people every day. sometimes in very brutal ways. Yet nature also gave us all our lives. Is nature evil?

Good question. But the answer is also relative

In my opinion Nature is True Neutral... if we use D&D terminology. The Catalyst and the Leviathans are very much True Neutral creatures.

I think it is more close to:

Lawful Evil is referred to as the "Dominator" or "Diabolic" alignment. Characters of this alignment see a well-ordered system as being easier to exploit, and show a combination of desirable and undesirable traits; while they usually obey their superiors and keep their word, they care nothing for the rights and freedoms of other individuals and are not averse to twisting the rules to work in their favor. Examples of this alignment include tyrants, devils, undiscriminating mercenary types who have a strict code of conduct, and loyal soldiers who enjoy the act of killing.

Like Lawful Good Paladins, Lawful Evil characters may sometimes find themselves faced with the dilemma of whether to obey law or evil when the two conflict. However, their issues with Law versus Evil are more concerned with "Will I get caught?" versus "How does this benefit me?"

[AngryFrozenWater]

Astartes Marine wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Argolas wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

I wouldn't call cyclical genocide a natural disaster. I call it planned evilness.

Evilness is relative. Nature kills countless people every day. sometimes in very brutal ways. Yet nature also gave us all our lives. Is nature evil?

Nature does not plan. Nature does not indoctrinate. Nature does not interfere in wars. Nature does not turn the bodies against others. Nature is not self-aware and capable of creative and independent thought.

Not to disagree or anything but nature can interfere with the procedings of a war, my uncle on my father's side served with future president Gerald R. Ford on the USS Monterey, an Independance class light carrier in WWII.  There was a particular incident where Admiral Halsey unwittingly led a whole task force including the Monterey right into the heart of a typhoon that led to the deaths of nearly eight hundred brave men, the loss of three destroyers, and nearly one hundred and fifty aircraft.
Most of the surviving ships suffered moderate to severe damage and the whole task force had to return to port for a few months.

Interefere yes, but not with any kind of sentience or thought like the Reapers.

The difference is that the disaster was random. There was no way to predict it. Cyclical genocide is very predictable. The cycles, as the term suggests, works like clockwork. And these are carefully planned.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 01 mai 2013 - 06:33 .

[Reptilian Rob]

cannedcream wrote...

This person's entire argument is like watching a written train wreck happen in slow motion. It's horrible, and yet somehow beautiful.

Best description of this thread yet. 

[Reptilian Rob]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Astartes Marine wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
^These humans understand.
Resist the darkness of the Seival, madness lies that way.

I'm just going to say it, Seival's a Necron in disguise. 

Ciaphas Cain HERO OF THE IMPERIUM is our only hope now.








We are so accidentally saved!

****, I play Necron...

[PsyrenY]

Destroy slides = Leviathan is not a threat? Haven't these things been alive for millions if not billions of years?

[Ticonderoga117]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Destroy slides = Leviathan is not a threat? Haven't these things been alive for millions if not billions of years?

And they lost to an AI whose warmachines are easily disabled.

Also, we have shields for those mental attacks, so let the planetary bombardment commence and this'll be wrapped up in a day.

[Ridwan]

I can't wait for a thread that deals with us having to sympathise with the reapers and the ****** kid.

All those billions of lives dead, well they had it coming for them any way, right?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

M25105 wrote...

I can't wait for a thread that deals with us having to sympathise with the reapers and the ****** kid.

All those billions of lives dead, well they had it coming for them any way, right?

You noticed. We have reaper sympathizers on the board. It's really sad isn't it?

[PsyrenY]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

And they lost to an AI whose warmachines are easily disabled.

An AI that several people on this board destroyed. So what will stop them under that ending?

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Also, we have shields for those mental attacks, so let the planetary bombardment commence and this'll be wrapped up in a day.

They can apparently FTL without relays since they were planet-hopping before relays were created, so bombarding the planet you found them on won't do much.

As for the mental attacks, anti-indoctrination shielding appears to be immobile, not to mention infeasible to protect every organic in the galaxy with.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Destroy slides = Leviathan is not a threat? Haven't these things been alive for millions if not billions of years?

Can you prove that they are a threat in destroy? 

This argument seems to be a favorite of some synthesizers to discredit Destroy. 

A lot of the argument relies on knowledge of the Leviathans that we are just not given in gameplay. I don't know where you get the knowledge about the Leviathans beyond the codex which doesn't really mention much of value.

You guys take an awful lot of logical leaps to make the Leviathan threat appear to be much more potent than it is presented in game. Like the size of their population, true extent of their capabilities, motivations and long-term agenda. This is information that doesn't exist and you're claiming it as a potential problem of Destroy. 

And none of that makes you right. From the destroy slides, we see absolutely nothing of Leviathan, so I'm inclined to believe they simply aren't a factor. Let them rot over in their watery hell. I'll destroy their artifacts, keep their location and existence classified, and keep a small task force in orbit to prevent any potential thralls from landing.

Honestly, it really seems as though some of the synthesis fans are trying to makie up excuses that justify the Reapers' existence and presence.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 01 mai 2013 - 10:14 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Destroy slides = Leviathan is not a threat? Haven't these things been alive for millions if not billions of years?

Can you prove that they are a threat in destroy? 

This argument seems to be a favorite of synthesizers to discredit Destroy. 

A lot of the argument relies on knowledge of the Leviathans that we are just not given in gameplay. I don't know where you get the knowledge about the Leviathans beyond the codex which doesn't really mention much of value.

You guys take an awful lot of logical leaps to make the Leviathan threat appear to be much more potent than it is presented in game. Like the size of their population, true extent of their capabilities, motivations and long-term agenda. This is information that doesn't exist and you're claiming it as a potential problem of Destroy. 

And none of that doesn't make you right. From the destroy slides, we see absolutely nothing of Leviathan, so I'm inclined to believe they simply aren't a factor. Let them rot over in their watery hell. I'll destroy their artifacts, keep their location and existence classified, and keep a small task force in orbit to prevent any potential thralls from landing.

Don't worry, he'll head canon something and present it as fact to back up synthesis as the only choice.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Don't worry, he'll head canon something and present it as fact to back up synthesis as the only choice.

I have no doubt that he will.

[Wynterdust]

I counted a grand total of three leviathans in the game. Hardly threatening. They are still alive because they remained hidden... If you take the right measures you can make yourself untraceable. (Think the protheans on Ilos).
Also how can you argue with the codex? It is the lore of the MEU...Headcannon is not lore...You cannot just make crap up and state it as fact.

[robertthebard]

You know, I keep seeing Leviathan thrown around as a reason to not pick Destroy, but, in Synthesis, won't things just go back to the way they were before the Reapers? Leviathan created the Intelligence to solve a problem, and if Synthesis does indeed solve the problem, doesn't that mean that Leviathans are now back in business, only now, you know, since understanding, everyone will be their willing slaves? This was the state of the galaxy before the cycles started, slaves to Leviathan, until their perceived pattern. So now that their perceived pattern is ended, they're free to return to business as usual, with an even greater army of enforcers than they've ever had.

Before somebody chimes in with "but slides...", none of the slide shows show Leviathans being a threat, yet it is assumed they will be in Destroy, but no where else? Congratulations, you have given the Leviathans exactly what they wanted, slave races that won't even think about rebelling.

[adayaday]

Well you can also say that reapers have poor tracking skills.
missing Ilos,missing Leviathans,missing crucible plans(i am guessing more then once) and losing the Normandy each time it goes into light speed.

[Seival]

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

Seival wrote...

xlegionx wrote...

I did play Leviathan, and at no point did it say Reaper indoctrination was radiation. the Leviathan orbs, maybe, but Reapers indoctrination doesn't use the exact abilities of the fragments.

the codex may be buggy, but what is in it is the basis for the lore of the entire ME universe and not out of date

They do use the exact abilities. Indoctrination was not the Catalyst's invention. Indoctrination is based on Leviathans' organic material, that was harvested long time ago and used during each Reaper creation. Each Reaper is created in Leviathans' image, remember? That doesn't mean just similar appearance.

You should have known that, if you listened to the Leviathan dialogue carefully.

And if you didn't discredit the codex as canon that supercedes your headcanon, you would know that is not the case.

When game conflicts with the codex - the game takes priority, and codex just becomes outdated.

Okay, then give me a specific example where the codex contradicts the game (your headcanon does not count as being part of the game) video proof would be a plus but not necessary if it can be validated

Any specific example? Ok. Harbinger's description for example. Codex states that Harbinger is leading the attack on Earth, but after the ending we all know that Reapers are just mindless tools. Codex says nothing about the fact that Harbinger was made of Leviathans, and is the very first Reaper ever existed.

BioWare could add Harbinger to the codex later, when we all knew all details about it. Or they could update codex dynamically (like war assets). But the codex was just left outdated. So the codex is not very good source of information. That's why game events always take priority.

Personally, I never thought of codex as of something valuable in any BioWare game. Completely unneeded feature that shouldn't be used in subsequent games.