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[Ecrulis]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mind-influencing abilities are the part Leviathans' physiology (just like Rachni or Asari mental features). That power comes from Leviathans themselves. Orbs are just "windows to the galaxy", as the Leviathan stated itself. By orbs they can control people in distant worlds without need to visit those worlds personally. Orbs are just transmitters of Leviathan power, nothing more. And considering the vast number of those orbs and no regrets about losing some of them, Leviathans have no problem of creating new ones.

Also, too few people know about Leviathans existence, and even those will keep it secret, as always... to avoid massive panic.

Yes, this is factually correct. Then you get to the bolded. That is incorrect.

The War Asset Description for the Leviathan Enthrallment Team:

A mixed-species team of special-operations soldiers have volunteered to covertly deliver Leviathan artifacts behind enemy lines. These attacks aim to make Reaper creatures thralls of the Leviathans. On a small scale, this could cause chaos and disruption. On a large scale--and if given enough time--it could form an army of Reaper creatures dedicated to exterminating their own kind. The team's major limiting factors are the small number of artifacts and the reluctance of Alliance commanders to operate openly with such a potent weapon for fear the Reapers might develop a countermeasure.

Then the Leviathans will make new artifacts, sure. Possibly many.

How are they going to get those orbs off world? Without any thralls, they'll have no way to do anything with those orbs. Might as well make an underwater castle out of them.

And with the location of Despoina a secret (I don't believe the existence of Leviathan itself is going to be a secret) to all but the Military high command, and a small fleet in orbit to prevent any people from landing, I don't think Leviathan will be a threat. Let them stew in their own underwater hell for all eternity. Every organic that died due to the Reapers over the course of infinite cycles is 10 years to their sentence in the depths.

I cannot quote this enthusiastically enough, however don't expect Sevial to actually listen to logic and reason. I guarantee he will be headcannoning using facts and reason his way out of that codex entry.

[Steelcan]

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

[Seival]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mind-influencing abilities are the part Leviathans' physiology (just like Rachni or Asari mental features). That power comes from Leviathans themselves. Orbs are just "windows to the galaxy", as the Leviathan stated itself. By orbs they can control people in distant worlds without need to visit those worlds personally. Orbs are just transmitters of Leviathan power, nothing more. And considering the vast number of those orbs and no regrets about losing some of them, Leviathans have no problem of creating new ones.

Also, too few people know about Leviathans existence, and even those will keep it secret, as always... to avoid massive panic.

Yes, this is factually correct. Then you get to the bolded. That is incorrect.

The War Asset Description for the Leviathan Enthrallment Team:

A mixed-species team of special-operations soldiers have volunteered to covertly deliver Leviathan artifacts behind enemy lines. These attacks aim to make Reaper creatures thralls of the Leviathans. On a small scale, this could cause chaos and disruption. On a large scale--and if given enough time--it could form an army of Reaper creatures dedicated to exterminating their own kind. The team's major limiting factors are the small number of artifacts and the reluctance of Alliance commanders to operate openly with such a potent weapon for fear the Reapers might develop a countermeasure.

Then the Leviathans will make new artifacts, sure. Possibly many.

How are they going to get those orbs off world? Without any thralls, they'll have no way to do anything with those orbs. Might as well make an underwater castle out of them.

And with the location of Despoina a secret (I don't believe the existence of Leviathan itself is going to be a secret) to all but the Military high command, and a small fleet in orbit to prevent any people from landing, I don't think Leviathan will be a threat. Let them stew in their own underwater hell for all eternity. Every organic that died due to the Reapers over the course of infinite cycles is 10 years to their sentence in the depths.

Leviathans don't need too large number of orbs delivered to the Earth obviously. This doesn't mean Leviathans have too few orbs left or have problems with creating new ones. They just gave the amount that was needed, nothing more.

How are they going to take those orbs off world? Exactly the same way as before. They controlled several races during the previous Cycles, remember? Even through the Reaper threat was still in place back there.

Also, Leviathans hide not just in one world. Leviathan stated itself that they are hiding in the dark corners of the galaxy.

Modifié par Seival, 01 mai 2013 - 06:17 .

[Ecrulis]

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

[robertthebard]

Ecrulis wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mind-influencing abilities are the part Leviathans' physiology (just like Rachni or Asari mental features). That power comes from Leviathans themselves. Orbs are just "windows to the galaxy", as the Leviathan stated itself. By orbs they can control people in distant worlds without need to visit those worlds personally. Orbs are just transmitters of Leviathan power, nothing more. And considering the vast number of those orbs and no regrets about losing some of them, Leviathans have no problem of creating new ones.

Also, too few people know about Leviathans existence, and even those will keep it secret, as always... to avoid massive panic.

Yes, this is factually correct. Then you get to the bolded. That is incorrect.

The War Asset Description for the Leviathan Enthrallment Team:

A mixed-species team of special-operations soldiers have volunteered to covertly deliver Leviathan artifacts behind enemy lines. These attacks aim to make Reaper creatures thralls of the Leviathans. On a small scale, this could cause chaos and disruption. On a large scale--and if given enough time--it could form an army of Reaper creatures dedicated to exterminating their own kind. The team's major limiting factors are the small number of artifacts and the reluctance of Alliance commanders to operate openly with such a potent weapon for fear the Reapers might develop a countermeasure.

Then the Leviathans will make new artifacts, sure. Possibly many.

How are they going to get those orbs off world? Without any thralls, they'll have no way to do anything with those orbs. Might as well make an underwater castle out of them.

And with the location of Despoina a secret (I don't believe the existence of Leviathan itself is going to be a secret) to all but the Military high command, and a small fleet in orbit to prevent any people from landing, I don't think Leviathan will be a threat. Let them stew in their own underwater hell for all eternity. Every organic that died due to the Reapers over the course of infinite cycles is 10 years to their sentence in the depths.

I cannot quote this enthusiastically enough, however don't expect Sevial to actually listen to logic and reason. I guarantee he will be headcannoning using facts and reason his way out of that codex entry.

He already has, something to the effect that any codex entry that disagrees with his headcanon should be disregarded.

[KaiserShep]

I imagine Gimli, son of Gloin, would say: Let them stay there. Let them rot. Why should we care?

[Steelcan]

Seival, using more and more head canon to cover the flaws in your argument isn't making it stronger.

[Ecrulis]

Steelcan wrote...

Seival, using more and more head canon to cover the flaws in your argument isn't making it stronger.

HA! you think logic and reasoning will stop the mighty Sevial!? Unlikely!

[KaiserShep]

I guess head-canonizing is indoctrination for real life.

[Wynterdust]

I think I bruised my forehead on my desk after reading through these "facts".
It is funny though just how similar the responses are to how all the indoctrinated characters speak in game.
"No I am correct and all the evidence against my headcannon including the actual lore is wrong."

[Ecrulis]

Wynterdust wrote...

I think I bruised my forehead on my desk after reading through these "facts".
It is funny though just how similar the responses are to how all the indoctrinated characters speak in game.
"No I am correct and all the evidence against my headcannon including the actual lore is wrong."

Pretty much, you've basically just defined a typical Wulf/Sevial argument, though with Wulf just throw in the additional "if you disagree with me you are a terrible/stupid person in real life".

[Seival]

Ecrulis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

Anyone trying to kill a creature which has mind controlling abilities and always ready to be attacked ends up changing his mind or brain-exploded. After the Catalyst taught them a lesson, Leviathans are always ready to be attacked, don't you worry. And they hide not in just one world, as the Leviathan stated itself. The other locations are unknown.

Also, no one will even bother attacking Leviathans. Two few people know about them, and they see Leviathans as the allies, who helped to defeat the Reapers. Well, and in case of Destroy galactic civilization will have too many problems to deal with.

Modifié par Seival, 01 mai 2013 - 06:31 .

[Ecrulis]

Seival wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

Anyone trying to kill a creature which has mind controlling abilities and always ready to be attacked ends up changing his mind or brain-exploded. After the Catalyst taught them a lesson, Leviathans are always ready to be attacked, don't you worry. And they hide not in just one world, as the Leviathan stated itself. The other locations are unknown.

Also, no one will even bother attacking leviathans. Two few people know about them, and they see Leviathans as the allies, who helped to defeat the Reapers. Well, and in case of Destroy galactic civilization will have too many problems to deal with In my own personal headcannon.

Fixed that for ya free of charge, from now on though I expect to be paid.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

Anyone trying to kill a creature which has mind controlling abilities and always ready to be attacked ends up changing his mind or brain-exploded. After the Catalyst taught them a lesson, Leviathans are always ready to be attacked, don't you worry. And they hide not in just one world, as the Leviathan stated itself. The other locations are unknown.

Also, no one will even bother attacking leviathans. Two few people know about them, and they see Leviathans as the allies, who helped to defeat the Reapers. Well, and in case of Destroy galactic civilization will have too many problems to deal with.

Ummm no, they see the Leviathans as "The enemy of my enemy is a friend... For now"

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

Anyone trying to kill a creature which has mind controlling abilities and always ready to be attacked ends up changing his mind or brain-exploded. After the Catalyst taught them a lesson, Leviathans are always ready to be attacked, don't you worry. And they hide not in just one world, as the Leviathan stated itself. The other locations are unknown.

Also, no one will even bother attacking leviathans. Two few people know about them, and they see Leviathans as the allies, who helped to defeat the Reapers. Well, and in case of Destroy galactic civilization will have too many problems to deal with.

Ummm no, they see the Leviathans as "The enemy of my enemy is a friend... For now"

Friend for now is friend forever, when we are talking about creatures who can control our minds, and not actually aggressive towards us. Taking control is not an act of aggression, if the purpose of this control is not to harm you. Leviathans don't have a desire to harm lesser beings.

Modifié par Seival, 01 mai 2013 - 06:40 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

Anyone trying to kill a creature which has mind controlling abilities and always ready to be attacked ends up changing his mind or brain-exploded. After the Catalyst taught them a lesson, Leviathans are always ready to be attacked, don't you worry. And they hide not in just one world, as the Leviathan stated itself. The other locations are unknown.

Also, no one will even bother attacking leviathans. Two few people know about them, and they see Leviathans as the allies, who helped to defeat the Reapers. Well, and in case of Destroy galactic civilization will have too many problems to deal with.

Ummm no, they see the Leviathans as "The enemy of my enemy is a friend... For now"

Friend for now is friend forever, when we are talking about creatures who can control your mind, and not actually aggressive towards us. Taking control is not an act of aggression, if the purpose of this control is not to harm you. Leviathans don't have a desire to harm lesser beings.

And the "lesser beings" have no intention of wanting the Leviathans to control them and they already have counter-measures for the Leviathans Orbs

[Wynterdust]

Apart from taking control of someone with the purpose to shoot an innocent doctor in his lab.
Fun bunch.

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I still think our best interests involving the leviathans involve a few asteroids.

"Lets see them try and stop these"

Anyone trying to kill a creature which has mind controlling abilities and always ready to be attacked ends up changing his mind or brain-exploded. After the Catalyst taught them a lesson, Leviathans are always ready to be attacked, don't you worry. And they hide not in just one world, as the Leviathan stated itself. The other locations are unknown.

Also, no one will even bother attacking leviathans. Two few people know about them, and they see Leviathans as the allies, who helped to defeat the Reapers. Well, and in case of Destroy galactic civilization will have too many problems to deal with.

Ummm no, they see the Leviathans as "The enemy of my enemy is a friend... For now"

Friend for now is friend forever, when we are talking about creatures who can control your mind, and not actually aggressive towards us. Taking control is not an act of aggression, if the purpose of this control is not to harm you. Leviathans don't have a desire to harm lesser beings.

And the "lesser beings" have no intention of wanting the Leviathans to control them and they already have counter-measures for the Leviathans Orbs

Say that to the thrall races that were controlled by Leviathans during the previous Cycles. Leviathans always find the way, obviously.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

[Morlath]

Seival wrote...

Friend for now is friend forever, when we are talking about creatures who can control our minds, and not actually aggressive towards us. Taking control is not an act of aggression, if the purpose of this control is not to harm you. Leviathans don't have a desire to harm lesser beings.

So is it the fact that the Leviathans want to enslave "lesser species",  that they don't give two monkeys enough about their thralls to hurt them, or that they can mind-control the species into accepting it that's okay with you?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Leviathans don't really deserve the whole "apex race" conceit they've got going on.

It is of no matter, they'll be purged in short order.

"While the enemies of The Emperor free galaxy still draw breath there can be no peace."

[MassivelyEffective0730]

I don't care what Leviathan's purpose is. He's not going to take control, and if he tries, he dies.

[Seival]

Morlath wrote...

Seival wrote...

Friend for now is friend forever, when we are talking about creatures who can control our minds, and not actually aggressive towards us. Taking control is not an act of aggression, if the purpose of this control is not to harm you. Leviathans don't have a desire to harm lesser beings.

So is it the fact that the Leviathans want to enslave "lesser species",  that they don't give two monkeys enough about their thralls to hurt them, or that they can mind-control the species into accepting it that's okay with you?

Do we have any clues that thrall races were unhappy under Leviathans' control? No, we don't.

Modifié par Seival, 01 mai 2013 - 06:50 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...


Say that to the thrall races that were controlled by Leviathans during the previous Cycles. Leviathans always find the way, obviously.

Like how you let your headcanon consume you

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

Do we have any clue that thrall races were unhappy under Leviathans' control? No, we don't.

Do you have any clue that thrall races were happy under Leviathan's control? 

Of course you do.

You make up fact's to suit your belief.