Optimystic_X wrote...
Argolas wrote...
The Leviathans can't control anything without their orbs.
Incorrect. They used their thralls to create the orbs, therefore they could enthrall before orbs existed. And they are about to enslave Shepard in the hydrosuit - s/he has to ask (Renegade: demand) to be released.
The orbs merely allow them to do it from a very long distance away, as well as spy, with minimal risk to themselves.
Argolas wrote...
Once the orb is destroyed, the thrall is free again, as seen in the mining facility where people who were enthralled for 10 years are freed immediatly once the orbs are gone.
There are no leviathans on that asteroid. So whatever the maximum distance of their control is, obviously the asteroid was too far away without the orbs.
But they can space travel. And hide in the depths. They are infinitely patient and quite cunning, to have escaped detection for 37M+ years despite their size.
All they need is one out-of-the-way colony, with resources that can make orbs, and suddenly they are a problem again. And all they have to do is wait until they fade into history and legend once more.
Correct. The Leviathans can control themselves, but only at fairly close ranges. Without the orbs, it seems like it's a pretty limited range. With the orbs, the Leviathans can control from anywhere in the galaxy, but the actual range of the orb seems to be limited. There were several on the surface of Despoina, and they were unable to grab a Reaper until it lowered its altitude attacking the shuttle to within range.
Argolas is correct though about becoming free of Leviathan influence with a destroyed orb, though it is also shown that the prior enthralled individuals (Dr. Anne Bryson) are now more susceptible to Leviathan control if in close proximity to an unshielded orb.
Is there any proof that the Leviathans have spacecraft? Or that they're capable of flight themselves? As far as I see, there was no real correlation between the creature sightings and Leviathan. It was just a nifty gameplay mechanic. So I disregard that as unfounded.
There's no need to point out the Leviathan's ability to hide underwater, or that they are cunning and intelligent. That is established knowledge. Same with the time stamps: It's even longer than 37 million years. According to estimates made on the Leviathan of Dis in the first game, the Reaper corpse was at least 1
billion years old. The cycle has been going on for
at least the last billion years.
And yes, they need thralls to create technology that is usable for them. On an ocean world, there is no land for intelligent species to evolve and be able to manipulate technology meaningfully for the Leviathans. And if you hide away their location and keep a fleet in orbit (since Levi's range doesn not appear to extend that far), Leviathan will have no means, to escape or enthrall, especially if all of the orbs that are used (it's a fairly small number) are tracked and destroyed.
The only thing that doesn't make this airtight is the possible existence of other orbs scattered throughout the galaxy, waiting to be found by an unsuspecting sentient...
Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 01 mai 2013 - 08:20 .