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[Ecrulis]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Apparently the takeaway from this thread is that cuttlefish are an adorably terrible natural disaster, unless you feed them bacon and diamonds.

... right?

You sir, have a brilliant mind and I truly believe you have uncovered the super secret plot of the next Mass Effect Game.

He got everything right.

Except there's going to be a dance/rock battle to determine the fate of the galaxy.

Yup the fate of the galaxy will be left up to a game of DDR + Guitar Hero

[Argolas]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

He got everything right.

Except there's going to be a dance/rock battle to determine the fate of the galaxy.

I really need Angela Gossow and Johan Hegg to voice act our next protagonist.

I need it.

[The Night Mammoth]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Argolas wrote...


The Leviathans can't control anything without their orbs.

Incorrect. They used their thralls to create the orbs, therefore they could enthrall before orbs existed. And they are about to enslave Shepard in the hydrosuit - s/he has to ask (Renegade: demand) to be released.

The orbs merely allow them to do it from a very long distance away, as well as spy, with minimal risk to themselves.

Argolas wrote...

Once the orb is destroyed, the thrall is free again, as seen in the mining facility where people who were enthralled for 10 years are freed immediatly once the orbs are gone.

There are no leviathans on that asteroid. So whatever the maximum distance of their control is, obviously the asteroid was too far away without the orbs.

But they can space travel. And hide in the depths. They are infinitely patient and quite cunning, to have escaped detection for 37M+ years despite their size.

All they need is one out-of-the-way colony, with resources that can make orbs, and suddenly they are a problem again. And all they have to do is wait until they fade into history and legend once more.

Doesn't anymore remember that people in the Mass Effect universe already have the technology to shield against the orbs? 

Just role in there with a fleet with shields up and go fishing. 

[Ecrulis]

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

[KaiserShep]

I smell a new DLC cooking. 

Modifié par KaiserShep, 01 mai 2013 - 08:22 .

[Ecrulis]

tickle267 wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

with blackjack... and hookers

Best. Plot. Ever.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ecrulis wrote...

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

Leviathan: Select a song lesser being, and prepare to be schooled!

Garrus: Through the fire and flames, expert mode.

Leviathan: ...F*ck.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 01 mai 2013 - 08:26 .

[PsyrenY]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Doesn't anymore remember that people in the Mass Effect universe already have the technology to shield against the orbs?

I'm not convinced that's enough. For one thing, every time we've seen the shields they've been immobile - around Sovereign parts, around the reaper tech in Firebase Glacier, around the orbs themselves. Can people be protected by them 24/7?

Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

The Night Mammoth wrote...
Just role in there with a fleet with shields up and go fishing. 

If they're all still on that planet after the war I'll eat my hat. More likely the fleet will roll up and find nothing but rubble and empty oceans. The galaxy is HUGE, and they've been living in it for millions of years - if there are places to hide, they know about them. 

[Ecrulis]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

Leviathan: Select a song lesser being, and prepare to be schooled!

Garrus: Through the fire and the flames, expert mode.

Leviathan: ...F*ck.

Your riffs are inadequate shepard, these beats will consume you

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Ecrulis wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

Leviathan: Select a song lesser being, and prepare to be schooled!

Garrus: Through the fire and the flames, expert mode.

Leviathan: ...F*ck.

Your riffs are inadequate shepard, these beats will consume you

*Suddenly back from the dead*

Legion: My turn.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 01 mai 2013 - 08:28 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Optimystic_X wrote...


Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

[Ecrulis]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

Who needs proof when you have...

SPECULATION!

[Wayning_Star]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

I didn't see any orbs under water there and I think they're for long range involvements. The idea that the orbs are made, they had to have thralls before they were necessary, or even able to be distributed. IF we can follow one foot after the other, steps in story reality 'can' be surmised from some inference, or on Empirical evidence   that the Leviathan did make it to space. It's unknown, because they're pretty much unknown. They are/were Apex, they had to figure out ways to get beyond their home planet(s), it would seem, even IF their thralls hauled them around?

[PsyrenY]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

Source 1: Codex.

"Their current world is unlikely their homeworld, so it is surmised that the Leviathans mastered technology and spaceflight despite their immense size and aquatic nature."

Source 2: Leviathan itself.

Shepard: "How did you remain hidden all this time?"
Leviathan: "Our extermination was not complete. Some survived and found refuge in the dark corners of the galaxy. I am their progeny."

Ecrulis wrote...

Who needs proof when you have...

SPECULATION!

Who needs facts when you have... GUITAR HERO! 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

tickle267 wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

what is this "proof" you speak of?

Where is it said that the Leviathans are independently capable of space travel on their own? I understand thralls building ships for them. And if you take away the thralls, there can be no ships. But he's saying that the Leviathans can either build their own ships, or don't need them. I see no evidence to support that.

[Ticonderoga117]

Optimystic_X wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Doesn't anymore remember that people in the Mass Effect universe already have the technology to shield against the orbs?

I'm not convinced that's enough. For one thing, every time we've seen the shields they've been immobile - around Sovereign parts, around the reaper tech in Firebase Glacier, around the orbs themselves. Can people be protected by them 24/7?

Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

We don't need to protect everyone. Only the ships that are going to deliver some kinetic party favors actually need the shields.

[Argolas]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

Leviathan: Select a song lesser being, and prepare to be schooled!

Garrus: Through the fire and flames, expert mode.

Leviathan: ...F*ck.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

Source 1: Codex.

"Their current world is unlikely their homeworld, so it is surmised that the Leviathans mastered technology and spaceflight despite their immense size and aquatic nature."

Source 2: Leviathan itself.

Shepard: "How did you remain hidden all this time?"
Leviathan: "Our extermination was not complete. Some survived and found refuge in the dark corners of the galaxy. I am their progeny."

Wouldn't they have controlled the thralls to build the ships for them? I believe the Leviathans have the know-how to build ships. I don't believe that they are physically able to build them themselves, and need thralls to do so. It's mentioned that they gained their first thralls by venturing to the littoral zones of the oceans they lived in and enthralled the sentient species that they came into contact with at these shallow waters. The enthralled species were probably compelled to create the technological feats based off of the Leviathan's designs and idea's that the Leviathan's were physically unable to do themselves.

Take away the thralls and the orbs (and maintain enough distance), and the Leviathans are little more than giant value meals for Red Lobster.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 01 mai 2013 - 08:58 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Wayning_Star wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

I didn't see any orbs under water there and I think they're for long range involvements. The idea that the orbs are made, they had to have thralls before they were necessary, or even able to be distributed. IF we can follow one foot after the other, steps in story reality 'can' be surmised from some inference, or on Empirical evidence   that the Leviathan did make it to space. It's unknown, because they're pretty much unknown. They are/were Apex, they had to figure out ways to get beyond their home planet(s), it would seem, even IF their thralls hauled them around?

I was talking about the bolded part.

[Wayning_Star]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


Second, as I said in my post, they can indoctrinate without orbs (since they must have, to make the orbs in the first place) and they are capable of space travel. So unless we find a way to shield every individual on every colony world forever, there are going to be unprotected people out there.

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

I didn't see any orbs under water there and I think they're for long range involvements. The idea that the orbs are made, they had to have thralls before they were necessary, or even able to be distributed. IF we can follow one foot after the other, steps in story reality 'can' be surmised from some inference, or on Empirical evidence   that the Leviathan did make it to space. It's unknown, because they're pretty much unknown. They are/were Apex, they had to figure out ways to get beyond their home planet(s), it would seem, even IF their thralls hauled them around?

I was talking about the bolded part.

so was I. They're capable of space flight, we just don't know how.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Argolas wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

NO WAIT...it will be an epic battle of guitar hero WHILE playing DDR as well!

Leviathan: Select a song lesser being, and prepare to be schooled!

Garrus: Through the fire and flames, expert mode.

Leviathan: ...F*ck.

[Wayning_Star]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

You keep saying that. 

Proof?

Source 1: Codex.

"Their current world is unlikely their homeworld, so it is surmised that the Leviathans mastered technology and spaceflight despite their immense size and aquatic nature."

Source 2: Leviathan itself.

Shepard: "How did you remain hidden all this time?"
Leviathan: "Our extermination was not complete. Some survived and found refuge in the dark corners of the galaxy. I am their progeny."

Wouldn't they have controlled the thralls to build the ships for them? I believe the Leviathans have the know-how to build ships. I don't believe that they are physically able to build them themselves, and need thralls to do so. It's mentioned that they gained their first thralls by venturing to the littoral zones of the oceans they lived in and enthralled the sentient species that they came into contact with at these shallow waters. The enthralled species were probably compelled to create the technological feats based off of the Leviathan's designs and idea's that the Leviathan's were physically unable to do themselves.

Take away the thralls and the orbs (and maintain enough distance), and the Leviathans are little more than giant value meals for Red Lobster.

those levi on that water world Shepard talks to (kind of) stated they have thrall all over space and they have globes stashed all over too, some even forgotten, or, before the catalyst harvested them. Probably how they survived harvest. They've been holed up on that ONE planet that we know of, we don't know if there are more of them elsewhere, the codex entries up a few posts seems to infer that they do, or a very high probability factor of it, from what they discussed with Shepard as an asset in the reaper conflict.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Wayning_Star wrote...

So was I. They're capable of space flight, we just don't know how.

No, we don't. But read my theory. I think they enthralled species and used those species as a tool to create their technological innovations and their spaceflight capability.

They are intelligent enough, but I don't think they are physiologically capable of creating technology, at least, above water without using thralls to do so.