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[Steelcan]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What? 

Screw that. 

*snip*

Welcome to Earth.

. This is what I was referencing.

Modifié par Steelcan, 24 avril 2013 - 01:41 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Resistance is futile.

This is meant to give the impression of a face in the background, with the relays as a pair of synthesized eyes? Cause that's what I see when I look at the picture and I find it seriously unsettling. 

This is really approaching End of Evangelion levels of disturbing...

[The Night Mammoth]

Steelcan wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

What? 

Screw that. 

*snip*

Welcome to Earth.

. This is what I was referencing.

I know, I just wanted to use that gif and that line. 

[Han Shot First]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Finn the Jakey wrote...

Resistance is futile.

[Kataphrut94]

The most diplomatic way to describe the Reapers is as a practical defence against the Daleks. The reason Daleks don't exist in the Mass Effect is because the Reapers harvested them before they could become that.

It's impossible for us to sympathise with them in Mass Effect because humanity is on their kill list, but the primitive aliens should be grateful for the Reapers. We derive horror from the idea of alien invaders conquering us through superior technology, but that would never be a problem in the Mass Effect universe because the Reapers would stop it before it started. At least that's a nice theory.

[GreyLycanTrope]

TheRealJayDee wrote...
This is meant to give the impression of a face in the background, with the relays as a pair of synthesized eyes? Cause that's what I see when I look at the picture and I find it seriously unsettling. 

This is really approaching End of Evangelion levels of disturbing...

Certainly not when I made it but crap, now I can't unsee that

[frostajulie]

Seival wrote...

The Reapers are not war machines, they are harvesters.
The Catalyst is not a dictator, it is the avatar of evolution.

The Cycled Harvests were so rare, so specific, and so inevitable that they could be called a part of natural life-and-death circle. With each new Cycle the Catalyst was closer and closer to the ideal solution which it was created to find.

Nature itself consumes lives. For what? Just to create new ones. A lot of them. Better then the previous ones. The Cycled Harvests were not much different, and were only temporary. Once the ideal solution was found and proved to be valid, it was just a matter of time before the idea of that solution comes true.

The Reapers were never interested in war. They were created as keepers of Nature balance. Even Leviathans, who were the first target themselves admitted that. The Catalyst and the Reapers did a lot of horrible things, but eventually they made the ideal solution possible. Let's not forget about that.

...Also, let's not forget one obvious thing: there are only two main choices in the end - apply Synthesis now, or delay it for some time by different means.

You just love stirring up **** for no other purpose than to stir **** up.  The reapers were tools of the catalyst a flawed AI created by a race of beings that believed they were gods but weren't there is nothing natural about the reapers to state they are is to absolve the Leviathans of centuries of genocide and mass murder on an unimaginable scale.  But its okay I get bored too.

[spirosz]

Dat evolution.

[spirosz]

I love the "better than the previous one" statement.

[Mangalores]

Seival wrote...

The Reapers are not war machines, they are harvesters.
The Catalyst is not a dictator, it is the avatar of evolution.
....

The difference is completely irrelevant unless you propose mankind ceases all fire fighting and disaster reliefs.

We fight natural disasters, we prevent wildfires, we reduce risks of them happening again. The survival niche of mankind can be equally said to be: Escape nature. We invent tech so we don't have to evolve muscles, we change the environment so we do not have to grow three stomachs and we use science to understand the processes that affect us to manipulate them to our liking.
Just because the Catalyst gets the neat title "Avatar of evolution" doesn't change: None likes evolution.

The other point is: War is a concept. It is irrelevant if the opponent sees his actions as divine interventions and improvements of mankind. If your ideology is incompatible with his and usually if said ideology involves mass slaughter, we fight it.

You are argueing semantics here.


And there isn't a pinnacle of evolution. This is a gross misconception of what evolution is. Evolution is natural selection over generations to adapt to your surroundings. The apex of any species and the drive of evolution is to occupy a niche
so perfectly that natural selection ceases to be an issue. Evolution always returns in the picture as the environment changes and former apex species lose their edge.

Otherwise the apex of Evolution would be single celled organisms.

[Fixers0]

I think Mass Murders will do nicely.

[SpamBot2000]

FFS. You actually worship the killbots.

Look at what you've done, BioWare. Proud?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 24 avril 2013 - 11:01 .

[Johnthejefi24]

Wow, there are some pretty screwed up people, like Seival with some disgusting opinions on this board. I wonder if he/she would voluntarily choose to be reaped if this occurred in real life? I can sure as hell see Seival as being easily indoctrinated!

Modifié par Johnthejefi24, 24 avril 2013 - 10:59 .

[ElSuperGecko]

SpamBot2000 wrote...
Look at what you've done, BioWare. Proud?

They've mindwiped a generation.  Indoctrination is for REALZ, bro.

[drayfish]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

FFS. You actually worship the killbots.

Look at what you've done, BioWare. Proud?

Truly.  I legitimately do wonder that.

Are Bioware happy to see that their once hopeful fiction has now become a grim case study for the 'greater goods' of genocide, eugenics and totalitarian rule?

Over the past few months I cannot count the number of unnerving threads and terrifying posts outright celebrating these actions.  Zealots for galactic dictatorships (because someone has to have that power, so it may as well be me, right?); fanatics for imposed, involuntary 'evolution' (like our harbinger of perfection, Seival here); fist-pumping supporters of selected racial slaughter (it's them or us, and they can't be trusted anyway! EDI was just a sex-bot! etc.) 

It's... disheartening.  And I really don't get what profit comes from knowing which hate crime players like better anyway.

One day I would really like to hear a writer explain what the hell was the point of all that without hiding behind asinine drivel about player agency. 

To me, headlocking your audience into three acts of horror, and then stepping back to let them squabble over which was 'best' has got to be the most infantile, irresponsible and self-destructive thing I can ever imagine doing to a fiction and its fanbase.

You end up with (what I hope is intentional) nonsense like this (again courtesy of Seival):



And lest we forget: http://social.biowar...ndex/14861085/1

Modifié par drayfish, 24 avril 2013 - 01:10 .

[GerojSvK]

So bold and so foolish (indoctrinated).

[dreamgazer]

drayfish wrote....

Over the past few months I cannot count the number of unnerving threads and terrifying posts outright celebrating these actions.  Zealots for galactic dictatorships (because someone has to have that power, so it may as well be me, right?); fanatics for imposed, involuntary 'evolution' (like our harbinger of perfection, Seival here); fist-pumping suppporers of selected racial slaughter (it's them or us, and they can't be trusted anyway! EDI was just a sex-bot!

drayfish, it's an Internet message board. Many people on here play characters and exaggerate their language to provoke others, all because they hide behind anonymity. While it's true that BioWare's writing facilitated those warped points of view, you'll find that in other games hinged on choice, too, especially those with unsavory factions.

[Xilizhra]

Personally, I value Seival's perspective. It's rather interesting.

Over the past few months I cannot count the number of unnerving threads and terrifying posts outright celebrating these actions. Zealots for galactic dictatorships (because someone has to have that power, so it may as well be me, right?); fanatics for imposed, involuntary 'evolution' (like our harbinger of perfection, Seival here); fist-pumping suppporers of selected racial slaughter (it's them or us, and they can't be trusted anyway! EDI was just a sex-bot! etc.)

It's easier to change one's own mind about the endings to accept them than to change the actual endings.

[Xilizhra]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I value Seival's perspective. It's rather interesting.

Over the past few months I cannot count the number of unnerving threads and terrifying posts outright celebrating these actions. Zealots for galactic dictatorships (because someone has to have that power, so it may as well be me, right?); fanatics for imposed, involuntary 'evolution' (like our harbinger of perfection, Seival here); fist-pumping suppporers of selected racial slaughter (it's them or us, and they can't be trusted anyway! EDI was just a sex-bot! etc.)

It's easier to change one's own mind about the endings to accept them than to change the actual endings.

Wow.

Am I wrong? I mean, I'm irked about the endings in several places, but I don't want to stay unhappy over it, so I've learned to find what positive aspects I can from them. At least from Control; I'm still working on Synthesis, an ending that I actually like more, but have a harder time justifying in-character.

[drayfish]

Xilizhra wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I value Seival's perspective. It's rather interesting.

Over the past few months I cannot count the number of unnerving threads and terrifying posts outright celebrating these actions. Zealots for galactic dictatorships (because someone has to have that power, so it may as well be me, right?); fanatics for imposed, involuntary 'evolution' (like our harbinger of perfection, Seival here); fist-pumping suppporers of selected racial slaughter (it's them or us, and they can't be trusted anyway! EDI was just a sex-bot! etc.)

It's easier to change one's own mind about the endings to accept them than to change the actual endings.

Wow.

Am I wrong? I mean, I'm irked about the endings in several places, but I don't want to stay unhappy over it, so I've learned to find what positive aspects I can from them. At least from Control; I'm still working on Synthesis, an ending that I actually like more, but have a harder time justifying in-character.

If you were disgusted by a morally repugnant act, why would you think that it was you who was in the wrong?  Why would you feel compelled to change your morality to suit that of a piece of fiction?

Genuinely, I am curious.

[Xilizhra]

Sorry Xilizhra, but I'll never be so invested in wanting to enjoy any videogame as to smash my moral compass and embrace the vile message of ME3's ending. There's just no way.

But you don't have to smash your moral compass, just take the best option that you can with what you have.

If you were disgusted by a morally repugnant act, why would you think that it was you who was in the wrong? Why would you feel compelled to change your morality to suit that of a piece of fiction?

Genuinely, I am curious.

It's not about changing morality, it's about taking the best action you can when taking no action leads to everyone dying.