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[DirtySHISN0]

mr.brightside4u wrote...

Why do I have to kill my friends if I want to kill the Reapers, but not if I want to control them or do synthesis. Wouldn't the question of what ending is the right one and the moral dilemma be the same even if the geth and EDI would survive. I'd say everybody who picked Control or Synthesis would have picked Control or Synthesis even if EDI and the geth would have survived Destroy, so why do only "Destroyers" have to kill their friends, or at least their allies.

Why is destroy the only ending with a catch?

because;

A) There should be an appropriate penalty for exacting the same measures, that were used on you, as a response.

it isn't.

Modifié par DirtySHISN0, 24 avril 2013 - 07:32 .

[JPN17]

Because bioware wants you to choose its love child synthesis.

[johnj1979]

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

[CDR David Shepard]

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

[SpamBot2000]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

Looks like johnj1979 did, though.

[robertthebard]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

I'd say that was a fair assessment, given what actually happens.

[CDR David Shepard]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

Looks like johnj1979 did, though.

I fail to see how destroy is doing the reapers job for them.

I guess I missed the part where it was their job to destroy themselves.

[robertthebard]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

Looks like johnj1979 did, though.

I fail to see how destroy is doing the reapers job for them.

I guess I missed the part where it was their job to destroy themselves.

It's a pretty common argument:  The Reapers are really not genocidal robots, but suicidal robots, so killing them is the same as suicide by cop, or some such nonsense.

[GreyLycanTrope]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

Looks like johnj1979 did, though.

I fail to see how destroy is doing the reapers job for them.

I guess I missed the part where it was their job to destroy themselves.

Their job was to prevent the conflict between meatbags and robots, you're removing robots from the equations hence solving the problem.

[Reikilea]

There is no catch.

It´s only geth. They did a lot of bad things all those years. And except Shepard and some quarians no one likes them. The rest of the galaxy won´t be that hardbroken.  It´s not like you are sacrificing salarians.

And Edi. I wont miss edi. It´s just one person. It´s not like Anderson died. Or Mordin. Or Virmire Ash.

Compared to everyone who died during this war, this is not that bad. It´s bad, but not that bad. It´s not like Shep didn´t do it before. Like blowing batarian colony with asteroid. Or killing rachni queen. Or sabotaging the cure. Or having bad suicide mission. I consider those moments much harder.

Modifié par Reikilea, 24 avril 2013 - 08:33 .

[johnj1979]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

why didn't I pay attention?

[robertthebard]

johnj1979 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

why didn't I pay attention?

Because by refusing, you are simply standing aside and letting them do their job.  You have the triple barreled shotgun pointed at the head of the Reaper God, and you decide to drop the gun, and curl up in the corner to wait for death.

[Wayning_Star]

Mustn't disregard the beings within the reaper hulls. Destroy disconnects them from the MEU for about ever. (unless reaps are recreated from left over reaper tech, scavenged after destroy to rebuild what was destroyed.)

Must remember to delete all references of the destruction of all synthetic life, just in case other new ones erupt into being. Wouldn't want to make them feel unwelcome'n stuff. We can always just lie to them about our innermost feelings and fear of them, as sentient life forms. What they don't know won't hurt us, right?

[johnj1979]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

Looks like johnj1979 did, though.

I fail to see how destroy is doing the reapers job for them.

I guess I missed the part where it was their job to destroy themselves.

Reapers DESTROY life in the galaxy
Reapers CONTROL husks
Reapers change races into Husk which is SYNTHESIS

so doesn't the leave "Refuse" as the ONLY non-Reaper ending

Modifié par johnj1979, 24 avril 2013 - 08:41 .

[cyrexwingblade]

It's glaringly obvious from the first time you step into that choice that Edi/Geth being wiped out is attached purely to stop a knee-jerk choice of Destroy. We've been *specifically* opposed to the other two choices the entire series. If there wasn't some awful, terrible cost for character fan-boys, Destroy would be near 100% chosen.

Including by me. Currently, I go with Control.

[johnj1979]

robertthebard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

why didn't I pay attention?

Because by refusing, you are simply standing aside and letting them do their job.  You have the triple barreled shotgun pointed at the head of the Reaper God, and you decide to drop the gun, and curl up in the corner to wait for death.

So what you are saying is do nothing and let the Reapers do what they are doing or listen to "Starchild" and do the job of the Reapers for them.

[Argolas]

Destroy has a catch.

Control and Synthesis are catches themselves.

[robertthebard]

johnj1979 wrote...

Reapers DESTROY life in the galaxy
Reapers CONTROL husks
Reapers change races into Husk which is SYNTHESIS

so doesn't the leave "Refuse" as the ONLY non-Reaper ending

Killing Reapers stops them from killing all space faring life in the galaxy, forever.
Control stops them from killing all space faring life in the galaxy until ShepAI gets bored.
Can't say I disagree over much about Synthesis.

[johnj1979]

robertthebard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

Reapers DESTROY life in the galaxy
Reapers CONTROL husks
Reapers change races into Husk which is SYNTHESIS

so doesn't the leave "Refuse" as the ONLY non-Reaper ending

Killing Reapers stops them from killing all space faring life in the galaxy, forever.
Control stops them from killing all space faring life in the galaxy until ShepAI gets bored.
Can't say I disagree over much about Synthesis.

But to DESTROY Reapers you have destroy the GETH and EDI. So why let the Geth and EDI evlove into a lifeform. Destroy life to save life is OK then?

[robertthebard]

johnj1979 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

why didn't I pay attention?

Because by refusing, you are simply standing aside and letting them do their job.  You have the triple barreled shotgun pointed at the head of the Reaper God, and you decide to drop the gun, and curl up in the corner to wait for death.

So what you are saying is do nothing and let the Reapers do what they are doing or listen to "Starchild" and do the job of the Reapers for them.

I thought I was pretty clear about what I was saying, and what I have been saying for about 9 months.  If you're going to Refuse, why allow yourself to live through the Harbinger DeM?  At least there you can claim:  I was dead, of course the Reapers won.  I get it, you don't think the Harvest is the Reaper's job?  So Refusing isn't helping them along?  Why kill the Rannoch Reaper, I mean, you're just doing it's job, right?  Why stop Sovereign in ME 1?  Isn't your ultimate goal to allow the harvest?  Did you get your pompoms out and cheer Sovereign on?

[robertthebard]

johnj1979 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

Reapers DESTROY life in the galaxy
Reapers CONTROL husks
Reapers change races into Husk which is SYNTHESIS

so doesn't the leave "Refuse" as the ONLY non-Reaper ending

Killing Reapers stops them from killing all space faring life in the galaxy, forever.
Control stops them from killing all space faring life in the galaxy until ShepAI gets bored.
Can't say I disagree over much about Synthesis.

But to DESTROY Reapers you have destroy the GETH and EDI. So why let the Geth and EDI evlove into a lifeform. Destroy life to save life is OK then?

I guess we're left with "How do you figure that Refuse isn't a Reaper ending?" since if you choose it, the Reapers win, and you don't get a Legend Save, so you can't reuse that Shepard for a future NG+ save game.  You are perfectly willing to swallow the Harbinger DeM, but balk at the Kid?  *Points to sig*

[Iakus]

JPN17 wrote...

Because bioware wants you to choose its love child synthesis.

Pretty much.

The death of EDI and the geth is just an arbitrary tragedy tacked onto Destroy. 

I mean, destroy already has a consequence:  a new dark age.

With Control and Synthesis you have the Reapers rebuilding the relay network.  With Destroy, you turn down the opportunity for the knowledge (Synthesis) and power (Control) of the Reapers in favor of galactic life developing along its own path.  In exchange, you have to find your own way to repair or replace the relays. 

It's not as devastating as the "galactic wasteland" implied in the original endings. But it could easily be years, even decades before the network is back up and running. 

But no, that's not enough, let's pile on a galactic genocide while we're at it.

[johnj1979]

robertthebard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

If you look at it "Refuse" ending is only ending that works, ALL the other endings are just shepard doing the Reapers job for them.

...someone didn't pay attention.

why didn't I pay attention?

Because by refusing, you are simply standing aside and letting them do their job.  You have the triple barreled shotgun pointed at the head of the Reaper God, and you decide to drop the gun, and curl up in the corner to wait for death.

So what you are saying is do nothing and let the Reapers do what they are doing or listen to "Starchild" and do the job of the Reapers for them.

I thought I was pretty clear about what I was saying, and what I have been saying for about 9 months.  If you're going to Refuse, why allow yourself to live through the Harbinger DeM?  At least there you can claim:  I was dead, of course the Reapers won.  I get it, you don't think the Harvest is the Reaper's job?  So Refusing isn't helping them along?  Why kill the Rannoch Reaper, I mean, you're just doing it's job, right?  Why stop Sovereign in ME 1?  Isn't your ultimate goal to allow the harvest?  Did you get your pompoms out and cheer Sovereign on?

The problem is that Destroying ALL Synthetic life to save life that just doesn't sit well with me. It a bit much for ONE person to decide that. Shepard is not the HERO, Shepard is a WAR CRIMINAL.

[robertthebard]

johnj1979 wrote...

The problem is that Destroying ALL Synthetic life to save life that just doesn't sit well with me. It a bit much for ONE person to decide that. Shepard is not the HERO, Shepard is a WAR CRIMINAL.

So your "solution" is to be an accessory after the fact to genocide on a scale that makes Destroy look like you ran over a squirrel on the way to the grocery store?  Like I said, if you're going to refuse, then it should be Ultimate Refusal, because then, no matter what, you're already dead, and don't have to listen to the Kid.

[Wayning_Star]

running over a squirrel on the way to work, sort of fits the basis of chaos the cat was carrying on about..