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[Tibbur]

Yes just imagine all the praetorians etc who gain sentience back and them trying to fit into society.

Hey little girl we found your mommy. Banshee walks through the door.

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Tibbur wrote...

Yes just imagine all the praetorians etc who gain sentience back and them trying to fit into society.

Hey little girl we found your mommy. Banshee walks through the door.

 Nothing says or shows that they gain sentience, so I'll just assume that they don't. 

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[KiwiQuiche]

Starbrat is working on broken logic due being made by a bunch of retards who couldn't program a toaster. Little wonder his 'solution' and way he went about getting it is so damn distorted.

[spirosz]

Reapling wrote...

Completely off-topic, but why do people force their vocabulary so hard on this forum? It's quite funny actually...

Why do you think?  Ahaha. 

[Xilizhra]

Even that doesn't require Shepard's death. The geth on Rannoch after making peace understand the quarians just fine. According to Tali, the two races are getting along swimmingly.

Arguable, but if that's the case, there's still one elephant in the room here: the Reapers. They need it more than anyone.

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Xilizhra wrote...

Even that doesn't require Shepard's death. The geth on Rannoch after making peace understand the quarians just fine. According to Tali, the two races are getting along swimmingly.

Arguable, but if that's the case, there's still one elephant in the room here: the Reapers. They need it more than anyone.

It does happen. The Geth are helping the Quarians rebuild on Rannoch and boost their immune systems so that they don't need suits. But it's funny to me that Pro-Destroyers like to bring up that point, because the only way to actually see it work out, you need to choose Synthesis:

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[Xilizhra]

It does happen. The Geth are helping the Quarians rebuild on Rannoch and boost their immune systems so that they don't need suits. But it's funny to me that a Pro-Destroyers like to bring up that point, because the only way to actually see it work out, you need to choose Synthesis:

Which is true, and also kind of annoying for me, because I thought I should have seen it in Control as well. Then again... if we didn't see it in Control, it's possible that Synthesis' understanding was farther-reaching than it initially seemed, and broke down barriers we hadn't yet seen. As of now, my primary difficulty is finding an IC justification for it.

[AresKeith]

All that green in Synthesis is horrible and disgusting

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

All that green in Synthesis is horrible and disgusting

Really? I find it beautiful.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

All that green in Synthesis is horrible and disgusting

Really? I find it beautiful.

Of course you do

[Xilizhra]

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

All that green in Synthesis is horrible and disgusting

Really? I find it beautiful.

Of course you do

Meaning what?

I will say, I think my favorite moment may actually have been the part where the husk awakens. I actually felt a twinge of parental warmth, and had the thought "Welcome to the universe."

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[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

All that green in Synthesis is horrible and disgusting

Really? I find it beautiful.

Of course you do

Meaning what?

I will say, I think my favorite moment may actually have been the part where the husk awakens. I actually felt a twinge of parental warmth, and had the thought "Welcome to the universe."

You don't say

[Objectivity]

Xilizhra wrote...
You have a major hate-on for Synthesis, but have no clear idea of what it actually does. You appear to be interpreting things in the worst way possible, despite the fact that they're less likely to actually have happened.

Sythesis changes everyone in the universe without their consent. It's mass rape on a galactic scale because its forcing a change on a large number of people against their will.

Does it really matter if some scenarios make the actual severity of the rape less likely than other versions? Each and every version is reprehensible.

[PsyrenY]

Objectivity wrote...


Sythesis changes everyone in the universe without their consent. It's mass rape on a galactic scale because its forcing a change on a large number of people against their will.

Terrible logic. When your boss has a workforce reduction, is he raping all the employees? When your parents bring you to a chicken pox party as a child, are they raping you?

Unconsenting change != rape. You people have been trotting out this tired meme for months, give it a rest.

[Xilizhra]

Objectivity wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
You have a major hate-on for Synthesis, but have no clear idea of what it actually does. You appear to be interpreting things in the worst way possible, despite the fact that they're less likely to actually have happened.

Sythesis changes everyone in the universe without their consent. It's mass rape on a galactic scale because its forcing a change on a large number of people against their will.

Does it really matter if some scenarios make the actual severity of the rape less likely than other versions? Each and every version is reprehensible.

Yes, it does. I need to know so I can stack it against enslavement of the Reapers in Control.

[Fawx9]

The idea behind the need for synthesis is what makes it ugly.

If you were to build a machine that was based on consent and had no other intentions other than augmenting people for their own good, then it's fine.

It's the fact that Synthesis basically says "You all need to be changed, by force, in order to become perfect because as you, and the galaxy, are now is inadequate". There is so much wrong with that train of thought.

[PsyrenY]

Fawx9 wrote...

The idea behind the need for synthesis is what makes it ugly.

If you were to build a machine that was based on consent and had no other intentions other than augmenting people for their own good, then it's fine.

It's the fact that Synthesis basically says "You all need to be changed, by force, in order to become perfect because as you, and the galaxy, are now is inadequate". There is so much wrong with that train of thought.

It might seem unfair or mean to phrase it that way but that doesn't make the Catalyst wrong. He sees Synthesis as the ideal solution because it's the only one that's fast enough to solve the problem.

Look at organics. Humans have been around for ~200,000 years or so, yet we're still waffling on the issue of transhumanism/augmentation. (EDI on the subject: "Humans hold diverse and contentious opinions.") It's going to be a long time before we even get as far as the Salarians and Quarians have, and even they aren't really there yet.

Meanwhile, look at the Geth - they've been around for only 300 years, less than half a percent as long as we have. In that time, they built the framework of a Dyson Sphere and were moments away from turning it on. In other words, they were a hairsbreadth away from the Singularity while we're over here still bickering over whether we can put microchips in someone's head.

From the Catalyst's perspective, organics are just too slow. His job is to keep us from becoming obsolete, yet every time we make synthetics that becomes impossible without hitting the reset button on the whole experiment. He knows his solution won't fix anything, but it's better than the alternative, so he has no choice but to keep enacting it.

Then along comes Shepard with the one device that will actually allow us to advance as fast as synthetics can, solving the problem instantly and for all time. Is it any wonder the Catalyst would advocate it?

[Fawx9]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Fawx9 wrote...

The idea behind the need for synthesis is what makes it ugly.

If you were to build a machine that was based on consent and had no other intentions other than augmenting people for their own good, then it's fine.

It's the fact that Synthesis basically says "You all need to be changed, by force, in order to become perfect because as you, and the galaxy, are now is inadequate". There is so much wrong with that train of thought.

It might seem unfair or mean to phrase it that way but that doesn't make the Catalyst wrong. He sees Synthesis as the ideal solution because it's the only one that's fast enough to solve the problem.

Look at organics. Humans have been around for ~200,000 years or so, yet we're still waffling on the issue of transhumanism/augmentation. (EDI on the subject: "Humans hold diverse and contentious opinions.") It's going to be a long time before we even get as far as the Salarians and Quarians have, and even they aren't really there yet.

Meanwhile, look at the Geth - they've been around for only 300 years, less than half a percent as long as we have. In that time, they built the framework of a Dyson Sphere and were moments away from turning it on. In other words, they were a hairsbreadth away from the Singularity while we're over here still bickering over whether we can put microchips in someone's head.

From the Catalyst's perspective, organics are just too slow. His job is to keep us from becoming obsolete, yet every time we make synthetics that becomes impossible without hitting the reset button on the whole experiment. He knows his solution won't fix anything, but it's better than the alternative, so he has no choice but to keep enacting it.

Then along comes Shepard with the one device that will actually allow us to advance as fast as synthetics can, solving the problem instantly and for all time. Is it any wonder the Catalyst would advocate it?

He's advocating that the only way to solve differences between races/cultures/ideas is to forcibly change both sides. It might potentially fix a problem but it's a horrible idea.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The cost is losing this:

a purely organic creation. This gets replaced by tech.

[Bizantura]

I suppose it depends much on how you look upon yourself. If you think yourself a biological machine then why not merge with machines. In merging you become the best of both worlds so to speak.

As consciousness in a biological body I find synthesis abhorrent and do not want it for myself.

[PsyrenY]

Fawx9 wrote...

He's advocating that the only way to solve differences between races/cultures/ideas is to forcibly change both sides. It might potentially fix a problem but it's a horrible idea.

Except racial, cultural and ideological differences are all artificial, as we know. However, Organics vs. Synthetics is a true distinction - they have fundamentally different capabilities, thinking and physical qualities than we do.

It's only a horrible idea if we really are the same deep down, or we can get there if enough time is allowed to pass. We aren't, and the gap only gets wider the longer both sides are alive.

[Xilizhra]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The cost is losing this:

a purely organic creation. This gets replaced by tech.

That's absurd on numerous levels. You're assuming that A. it's a given that any tech augmentations would damage the parts of the brain responsible for artistic endeavor, and that B. if those were changed, that it'd automatically be inferior.

[Eckswhyzed]

@Xilizhra

Funnily enough, there are programs right now that can compose music and paint - see Emily Howell (a composer) and Painting Fool (an artist).

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

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Tibbur wrote...

Yes just imagine all the praetorians etc who gain sentience back and them trying to fit into society.

Hey little girl we found your mommy. Banshee walks through the door.

 Nothing says or shows that they gain sentience, so I'll just assume that they don't. 

Keiji's gray box gains sapience FFS. The husks gain it too. Give me a break. They gain awareness in the battle on Earth.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

@Xilizhra

Funnily enough, there are programs right now that can compose music and paint - see Emily Howell (a composer) and Painting Fool (an artist).

I'm not impressed. It's totally lacking in emotion.