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[SpamBot2000]

Baelrahn wrote...

I think it would help this discussion a great deal if we clarified what you mean by "not like the ending".

Do you mean
"I wish I could have done something differently to end this war"
or
"BioWare insulted their customers by creating this poorly executed piece of software"?

Getting back to the subject. For me, it's clearly both of the above.

To be more specific, the torch job ending was the essence of insult. They saw the player avatar as the problem to be solved, did this by having a kid (one of theirs?) scold the avatar into suicide to wrap up the setting and then sold the resulting mess with all kinds of fraudulent claims. 

And now they are celebrating this coup with "Bestest Riting Evah!" awards from their backslapping cronies.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 26 avril 2013 - 07:36 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Mass Effect 3 is amazing. Replaying it atm and the ending has already been foreshadowed multiple times. It all makes sense if you pay attention.

[M Hedonist]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink - I doubt you have seen it if the top 2 "arty" film that sprung to your mind are movies from the last decade. (Nothing against these movies, but if those are the ones that sprung to your mind - it's very likely you're just a hipster.) Studying German literature (among other things) where I regularly get to read books written several centuries ago and love them (most of the time).
Mass Effect 3's ending is garbage. Possibly one of the biggest storytelling failures in mainstream culture there is.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Sauruz wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink - I doubt you have seen it if the top 2 "arty" film that sprung to your mind are movies from the last decade. (Nothing against these movies, but if those are the ones that sprung to your mind - it's very likely you're just a hipster.) Studying German literature (among other things) where I regularly get to read books written several centuries ago and love them (most of the time).
Mass Effect 3's ending is garbage. Possibly one of the biggest storytelling failures in mainstream culture there is.

The arrogance! It burns! Aaaarh.

[Indy_S]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink - I doubt you have seen it if the top 2 "arty" film that sprung to your mind are movies from the last decade. (Nothing against these movies, but if those are the ones that sprung to your mind - it's very likely you're just a hipster.) Studying German literature (among other things) where I regularly get to read books written several centuries ago and love them (most of the time).
Mass Effect 3's ending is garbage. Possibly one of the biggest storytelling failures in mainstream culture there is.

The arrogance! It burns! Aaaarh.

I know. And that's only a small snippet of a Wulf post.

[M Hedonist]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink - I doubt you have seen it if the top 2 "arty" film that sprung to your mind are movies from the last decade. (Nothing against these movies, but if those are the ones that sprung to your mind - it's very likely you're just a hipster.) Studying German literature (among other things) where I regularly get to read books written several centuries ago and love them (most of the time).
Mass Effect 3's ending is garbage. Possibly one of the biggest storytelling failures in mainstream culture there is.

The arrogance! It burns! Aaaarh.

Well, I guess if they set out to create something that will depress and alienate a large portion of the audience, they succeeded in doing so. However, if they wanted to make something that is well-written, conclusive, creative, new or just a satisfying ending to a trilogy - failure on all fronts. The only way in which the endings breached something new is that we now have a video game where we can commit genocide. Which the world certainly didn't have need for and which is not something to be proud of.

[SpamBot2000]

Sauruz wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink 

I just like to munch popcorn to Wallace Beery wrestling movies.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 26 avril 2013 - 11:10 .

[Voodoo2015]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Anyone who completed the game more than once liked the ending. That is how it works.

I have completed the game more then once.. Still don't like the ending.. Using MEHEM!

[K_Tabris]

IDK, after chatting about Mass Effect 3 with fellow students in the cs department, I am inclined to say that those who like ending are in the minority. Even the casual fans who play just ME3 for MP thought the story was crap.

[M Hedonist]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink 

I just like to munch popcorn to Wallace Beery wrestling movies.

We don't put Wallace Beery in some fruity movie about suffering. I thought we were together on that.

[dreamgazer]

Sauruz wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Try to get a non-arty person to watch Pan's Labyrinth or Daywatch, for example. It's a disaster.

Haha. Don't tell me about art kiddo. Seen and loved Pan's Labyrinth. One of my all-time favorite movies is Barton Fink - I doubt you have seen it if the top 2 "arty" film that sprung to your mind are movies from the last decade.

I wonder if he'd feel the same way about something by Haneke, von Trier, Pasolini or Jodorowsky.  Those are true challenges for mainstream audiences. (I, too, adore Pan's).

At any rate, associating art-minded people and full appreciation of the ending of Mass Effect 3---namely synthesis---is gross, provocative incompetence.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 26 avril 2013 - 02:18 .

[txgoldrush]

KallianaTabris wrote...

IDK, after chatting about Mass Effect 3 with fellow students in the cs department, I am inclined to say that those who like ending are in the minority. Even the casual fans who play just ME3 for MP thought the story was crap.

and the people I talked to either liked the ending or were meh about it, so I am inclined to say those that hated the ending are in the minority.

[tanisha__unknown]

It is estimated that roughly 95 % of the people who don't like a product don't complain. On BSN around 70.000 voted on the ending and 90% of them stated they didn't like it.

That's 70,000*.9/.05=1.2 million unsatisfied customers. I am given to understand the game sold 3.5 million copies, that means roughly 1/3 of the customers hate the ending. A minority, but a considerably large one.

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...
At any rate, associating art-minded people and full appreciation the ending of Mass Effect 3---namely synthesis---is gross, provocative incompetence.

Modifié par spirosz, 26 avril 2013 - 01:21 .

[Bizinha]

Jinx1720 wrote...

It is estimated that roughly 95 % of the people who don't like a product don't complain. On BSN around 70.000 voted on the ending and 90% of them stated they didn't like it.

That's 70,000*.9/.05=1.2 million unsatisfied customers. I am given to understand the game sold 3.5 million copies, that means roughly 1/3 of the customers hate the ending. A minority, but a considerably large one.

If you consider the data from vgchatz, this number is much bigger.

http://www.vgchartz....ame=mass effect

[TheWerdna]

Ore EC I imagine we were the majority, judging by just how widespread the outcry was. But post EC I would say that those vocally still angry are the minority, as by this point most people either were satisfied with the EC fixing some of the issues, or sorta gave uP and moved on

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
At any rate, associating art-minded people and full appreciation the ending of Mass Effect 3---namely synthesis---is gross, provocative incompetence.

This human understands.

[Smurfblaster]

Just for contrast, I feel I have to mouth off here: I liked the pre-EC ending better, and enjoyed every minute of the way there. HA!

Sure, the length added by the EC is welcome, considering the time spent tearing through two more games to get there, but I'm not as impressed with the actual content. If there was anything I was displeased with in the original retail content, that would be the names of the Reapers and Collectors. I mean: Krogan, Turian, those big not-at-all-rhinos, and... Collectors? Really? Then again... *Eyes the X universe: K*****
Hm, I'd probably be banned if I spell THAT out. A-anyway, I guess I'll just leave it alone...

Don't lose sight of Bioware's biggest talent in storytelling: NPC interactions. You might not 'like' all of the characters as such, but... Jack. 'Nuff said.

[Dieb]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Baelrahn wrote...

I think it would help this discussion a great deal if we clarified what you mean by "not like the ending".

Do you mean
"I wish I could have done something differently to end this war"
or
"BioWare insulted their customers by creating this poorly executed piece of software"?

Getting back to the subject. For me, it's clearly both of the above.

To be more specific, the torch job ending was the essence of insult. They saw the player avatar as the problem to be solved, did this by having a kid (one of theirs?) scold the avatar into suicide to wrap up the setting and then sold the resulting mess with all kinds of fraudulent claims. 

And now they are celebrating this coup with "Bestest Riting Evah!" awards from their backslapping cronies.

Appreciate the sentiment of picking back up, but this thread is already about individuals using their advanced vocabulary to orbit plain personal insults.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 26 avril 2013 - 02:08 .

[ElSuperGecko]

dreamgazer wrote...
At any rate, associating art-minded people and full appreciation the ending of Mass Effect 3---namely synthesis---is gross, provocative incompetence.

I've watched and enjoyed Krzysztof Kieslowski's Three Colours trilogy.

...nope, Synthesis is still a sack of crap.

Smurfblaster wrote...
Just for contrast, I feel I have to mouth off here: I liked the pre-EC ending better, and enjoyed every minute of the way there. HA!

Quoted for truth.  My immediate impressions of the ME3 endgame were anger and disappointment, but over time, I've actually found myself enjoying Bioware's original artistic vision much, much more than the mob-placating fan service that was the Extended Cut.  So much so, I've deleted it.

If you need to rely on a hastily tacked-on supplement to enjoy the ending of a game, chances are you haven't understood it in the first place.

Modifié par ElSuperGecko, 26 avril 2013 - 02:08 .

[AresKeith]

txgoldrush wrote...

KallianaTabris wrote...

IDK, after chatting about Mass Effect 3 with fellow students in the cs department, I am inclined to say that those who like ending are in the minority. Even the casual fans who play just ME3 for MP thought the story was crap.

and the people I talked to either liked the ending or were meh about it, so I am inclined to say those that hated the ending are in the minority.

lol

[Kel Riever]

spirosz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...
At any rate, associating art-minded people and full appreciation the ending of Mass Effect 3---namely synthesis---is gross, provocative incompetence.

Auld Wulf....yeah.

Oh and on Pan's Laberynth, what the hell are you talking about, Auld?  That movie is widely appreciated by audiences everywhere.  Even by whatever you think non-artistic types are .

Hint, Auld.  Pan's Laberynth is a good movie.  Whereas Mass Effect 3 is a bad game.  Do you understand now?

[Outsider edge]

Whether it's a minority or a majority that disliked the endings the thing that can't be disputed is that a substantial portion of the playerbase hated it. Large enough too "force" Bioware to concede in doing an extended cut after their PR blitz yielded no result. The endings resulted not only in a full BSN meltdown (forums got actually shut down at one time) but it started fires on pretty much every gaming website around the web and even spread to non gaming media.

Brushing that aside like somekind of low key "incident" executed by a small minority of loud voices is totally of the mark. People who were present during those first months after the march launch saw that what transpired was something truly unique.

[KaiserShep]

I never did get a chance to play the game pre-EC, but as one who picks destroy for my canon Shep, I was fairly satisfied, if left wanting. It sucks that it came with a pretty big catch, but as far as I can tell, they all do, so I went with the one that permits the fewest nagging questions. The more I think about control and synthesis, the less I like them, and I think the major problem is that they didn't keep it simple. The reason ME2 was so satisfying to run through in its final act was that your choices were making a difference, and you could get the best possible ending so long as you did everything right, whereas in ME3, you're kind of stuck in a bittersweet rut no matter what you do. I get the whole artistic vision thing, but I guess my point is that for something where you can kind of customize your experience, it would've been far more satisfying for players to choose between the bittersweet and essentially getting their "fairy tale" ending where everything gets tied up neatly with a fair share of catharsis.