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[dreamgazer]

dorktainian wrote...

anyone who witnessed the meltdown on these forums, as well as twitter and facebook when the game came out will know bioware dropped the ball big style.  The EC just makes matters worse imo.

Do they deserve another chance?

We'd be in trouble if people gave up on every developer that delivered a flawed flop of an ending. 

[Kel Riever]

dreamgazer wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

anyone who witnessed the meltdown on these forums, as well as twitter and facebook when the game came out will know bioware dropped the ball big style.  The EC just makes matters worse imo.

Do they deserve another chance?

We'd be in trouble if people gave up on every developer that delivered a flawed flop of an ending. 

True.  But there's really nothing wrong with giving up on the developer that made maybe the biggest flawed flop of an ending.

Really.  Fable III has a better ending that ME3.

[o Ventus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Anyone who completed the game more than once liked the ending. That is how it works.

I've completed the game more than once.

I absolutely loathe the ending.

I know that. You know that. But their online data counts that as a "like." You understand now?

Right. The data needs to be twisted and taken out of context before it can have meaning.

[SpamBot2000]

dreamgazer wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

anyone who witnessed the meltdown on these forums, as well as twitter and facebook when the game came out will know bioware dropped the ball big style.  The EC just makes matters worse imo.

Do they deserve another chance?

We'd be in trouble if people gave up on every developer that delivered a flawed flop of an ending. 

It's the intent that rankles the worst. It is glaringly obvious to me that this ending was rammed in to put an end to Mass Effect, Once and For all, with no regard to how it would play with the players, the majority of the creators of the game and the story itself. 

To put it simply, for the players the Reapers were a problem and Shepard was their hope of solution. Meanwhile, for Casey Hudson and Mac Walters Shepard was the problem and the Reapers were their ultimate solution.

This was no accident, it was intentional sabotage. How do the people who do this deserve another chance to make our money?

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 25 avril 2013 - 03:21 .

[o Ventus]

Redbelle wrote...

Question.

How many anti enders here liked the finale to the Citadel DLC?.

I do.

The Citadel DLC was campy and full of in-jokes and self-parody, but the end to both the main campaign and the side content was truly tear-jerking, in their own ways.

[dreamgazer]

Kel Riever wrote...

Really.  Fable III has a better ending that ME3.

Heh. The ending of Fable III is far from the worst thing about that game, though.

[Kel Riever]

dreamgazer wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Really.  Fable III has a better ending that ME3.

Heh. The ending of Fable III is far from the worst thing about that game, though.

Okay, yes.  You will not find me defending Fable III a whole lot.  Of course, my expectations for Fable III were a lot lower, and I got it for free.....

[Dieb]

o Ventus wrote...

Right. The data needs to be twisted and taken out of context before it can have meaning.

There's that productive kind of sarcasm I enjoy so much. I agree.


It's the commitment-expectation-disappointment triangle of the fandom Mass Effect created, that inflated itself like a supernova. If there's anyone arguing about ME3's being the worst ending of videogame history, I recommend finishing the original Dungeon Siege.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 25 avril 2013 - 03:32 .

[AlanC9]

Baelrahn wrote...
 If there's anyone arguing about ME3's being the worst ending of videogame history, I recommend finishing the original Dungeon Siege.

I always say KotOR 2. But I never got past the DS demo.

[BearlyHere]

It's like they've got their fingers stuck in their ears going "Lalalala I can't hear you." They've learned nothing from their past mistakes, super Mac is writing his next travesty, and nothing has changed.

One of my favorite lines from Blade Runner comes to mind, "I was quit before. I'm twice as quit now." I haven't bought any of the DLC, and I won't buy the next ME or DA:I until people have had time to play it and have given it glowing reviews. The only games I'm looking forward to in the next few years are Project Eternity and Torment: Numenera.

[Iakus]

AlanC9 wrote...

Baelrahn wrote...
 If there's anyone arguing about ME3's being the worst ending of videogame history, I recommend finishing the original Dungeon Siege.

I always say KotOR 2. But I never got past the DS demo.

I played KOTOR2 years before the restoration mod.

The ending was pretty wtf-inducing.

But, imo, it still doesn't hold a candle to the sheer badness of the ME3 ending.

[Outsider edge]

The problem with compairing game endings is that Mass Effect 3's ending was the culmination of a story spanning three games. Three games of character driven story being completely dismissed at the very end. If strong rumors were true some writers actually had to lobby like politicians just to get the Hammerbase sequences in. Originally Priority: Earth was an hour long horde mode slog right through to the bitter end.

On it's own are there worse endings out there then Mass Effect 3's one? Ofcourse! The original Ghouls and Goblins ending likely still holds the title for most obnoxious game ending ever

But as a culmination of the three games, throwing the characters completely aside for the vanilla ending and retroactively retcon the main enemies to stooges for a bigger enemy revealed in the last 5 minutes. While at the same time handholding a character the players have more or less shaped through the better part of three games is quite an atrocity. Renegade and Paragon are nowhere to be found in Mass Effect 3's finale. All three choices are devoid of any real connection to the game and untill the EC slides had almost the same outcome no matter how much paragon or renegade you're character was.

Taking all that in the equation and yes Mass Effect 3's ending deserved all the scorn it got.

Modifié par Outsider edge, 25 avril 2013 - 05:55 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

On the internet perhaps you are the majority, mainly concentrated to the bsn and youtube. But in the real world, out of everyone who bought the game? No, you are not.

For everyone who was angry enough to come onto the bsn, for everyone who said they made an account and registered their copy just to talk about how bad the game was, there were many, many, many, more who did not. I do not not how as well, but in many places of many other websites I have looked at, the reaction to me3's ending was meh, to it was okay.

This doesn't mean they liked the ending, I will right off the bat admit that. But that is also not hate for the ending, which many seem to belive it is.

In truth, the sad truth, many people simply did not care about the ending of the series. Many of them did not and do not care about the problmes many of you guys seem to have.

You are the fringe of the fandom, the extremes of the fandom, the one everyone talks about when they talk about the guys who may be too into a certain series or franchise, like star trek fans who learn klingon or star wars fans who actually pay money to learn who to use proper lightsaber forms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but thinking that that is the majority of fans, is the problem.

EDIT: I think I may have mixed up my words when I was talking earlier. The group of extremist I am refering to are the ones who feel extremly strongly displeased with the ending. A mild dislike or even dislike of the ending isn't that uncommon, but people who feel heavily invested in making sure bioware knows they didn't like their ending a year into it, you know who you are, are the ones who compsoe the fringe. Out of those hwo hate the endings, I would say a good 75% of them fall into this category.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 25 avril 2013 - 06:08 .

[Iakus]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

You are the fringe of the fandom, the extremes of the fandom, the one everyone talks about when they talk about the guys who may be too into a certain series or franchise, like star trek fans who learn klingon or star wars fans who actually pay money to learn who to use proper lightsaber forms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but thinking that that is the majority of fans, is the problem.

Also

The ones who buy the DLC
The ones who buy the books
The ones who buy the comics
the ones who purchase t-shirts and hoodies
The ones who shell out the extra cash for the collector's editions
the built-in market for sequel games and spin-offs.

edit:  at least until you p*ss them off too much

Modifié par iakus, 25 avril 2013 - 06:08 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

iakus wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

You are the fringe of the fandom, the extremes of the fandom, the one everyone talks about when they talk about the guys who may be too into a certain series or franchise, like star trek fans who learn klingon or star wars fans who actually pay money to learn who to use proper lightsaber forms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but thinking that that is the majority of fans, is the problem.

Also

The ones who buy the DLC
The ones who buy the books
The ones who buy the comics
the ones who purchase t-shirts and hoodies
The ones who shell out the extra cash for the collector's editions
the built-in market for sequel games and spin-offs.

edit:  at least until you p*ss them off too much

It's both ways to, for those who liked the endings or hated the endings. The bsn itself is one giant niche of fringe in this franchise.

[David7204]

Power is not democratic. And thank God for that.

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

Also

The ones who buy the DLC
The ones who buy the books
The ones who buy the comics
the ones who purchase t-shirts and hoodies
The ones who shell out the extra cash for the collector's editions
the built-in market for sequel games and spin-offs.

edit:  at least until you p*ss them off too much

Eh, there are plenty of mid-ground "casual" players who do the highlighted as well.

Agree with you on the books, though. 

[TheProtheans]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

On the internet perhaps you are the majority, mainly concentrated to the bsn and youtube. But in the real world, out of everyone who bought the game? No, you are not.

For everyone who was angry enough to come onto the bsn, for everyone who said they made an account and registered their copy just to talk about how bad the game was, there were many, many, many, more who did not. I do not not how as well, but in many places of many other websites I have looked at, the reaction to me3's ending was meh, to it was okay.

This doesn't mean they liked the ending, I will right off the bat admit that. But that is also not hate for the ending, which many seem to belive it is.

In truth, the sad truth, many people simply did not care about the ending of the series. Many of them did not and do not care about the problmes many of you guys seem to have.

You are the fringe of the fandom, the extremes of the fandom, the one everyone talks about when they talk about the guys who may be too into a certain series or franchise, like star trek fans who learn klingon or star wars fans who actually pay money to learn who to use proper lightsaber forms. There's nothing inherently wrong with that, but thinking that that is the majority of fans, is the problem.

EDIT: I think I may have mixed up my words when I was talking earlier. The group of extremist I am refering to are the ones who feel extremly strongly displeased with the ending. A mild dislike or even dislike of the ending isn't that uncommon, but people who feel heavily invested in making sure bioware knows they didn't like their ending a year into it, you know who you are, are the ones who compsoe the fringe. Out of those hwo hate the endings, I would say a good 75% of them fall into this category.

I dislike the game and the ending, not because I am heavily invested.
More that I feel incompetence must be punished in the gaming industry.

If anything I would say you're narrow minded.

[DirtySHISN0]

Overall majority of those who played the game not complaining = must have liked.

Analysis complete.

I'm pretty sure they don't include loss of interest with not complaining.

[Clayless]

Bringing the conversation back to the topic:

Why do any of you care? Like why care at all?

Back 13 months ago, and the months following, I was asked many times why I'm "defending" Bioware/EA. People pointed out to me that they're big corporations and they don't care or need for me to defend them etc, and I and others were accused of being a troll or, bizarrely, a Bioware/EA fake account. This made me realise something I hadn't considered before:

Sometimes people create their opinions on what they believe others think.

Not at one point have I expressed my opinion or battled against the lies I saw some people on BSN try to spread because I believed it was what Bioware, or anyone else, would have wanted. I honestly couldn't give a crap if 99% of people agreed with me or if I was the only person that did, I don't need reassurance or validation from a number that really means nothing in the end.

So why do you, person who is obsessed with figuring out who the majority is, care? What difference would it make?

[Cainhurst Crow]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Overall majority of those who played the game not complaining = must have liked.

Analysis complete.

I'm pretty sure they don't include loss of interest with not complaining.

A fair point, but I still don't see how you could definitivly prove they feel one way or the other.

[Ryzaki]

Kel Riever wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

anyone who witnessed the meltdown on these forums, as well as twitter and facebook when the game came out will know bioware dropped the ball big style.  The EC just makes matters worse imo.

Do they deserve another chance?

We'd be in trouble if people gave up on every developer that delivered a flawed flop of an ending. 

True.  But there's really nothing wrong with giving up on the developer that made maybe the biggest flawed flop of an ending.

Really.  Fable III has a better ending that ME3.

Oh god it's true.

lmao.

And for all the facepalms that ending gave me yeah. Still not as bad.

[Bizinha]

Robosexual wrote...

Bringing the conversation back to the topic:

Why do any of you care? Like why care at all?

Back 13 months ago, and the months following, I was asked many times why I'm "defending" Bioware/EA. People pointed out to me that they're big corporations and they don't care or need for me to defend them etc, and I and others were accused of being a troll or, bizarrely, a Bioware/EA fake account. This made me realise something I hadn't considered before:

Sometimes people create their opinions on what they believe others think.

Not at one point have I expressed my opinion or battled against the lies I saw some people on BSN try to spread because I believed it was what Bioware, or anyone else, would have wanted. I honestly couldn't give a crap if 99% of people agreed with me or if I was the only person that did, I don't need reassurance or validation from a number that really means nothing in the end.

So why do you, person who is obsessed with figuring out who the majority is, care? What difference would it make?

I do not know where you're going with this question, but here is a forum for discussions and exchange of ideas.
If you think this does not matter to you, ok, I understand.

But to me it matters a lot. And like a reflection, sometimes we need for the evidence we found.I hate to be 'hater', but can not like, if I am a minority, I keep this feeling for me.