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[shodiswe]

Indy_S wrote...

Not to mention that they're individuals now and the ones who previously voted against peace can now undertake more extreme acts to get what they want, guaranteeing that the war will go on.

If you're talking about a Geth minority taking up arms or engaging in terrorism then it would be no different than any other terrorist organization out there.

It's possible soem Quarians who lost family might do soemthing similar even if their people were the Agressors, it's not liek peopel are reasonable or understanding.

Modifié par shodiswe, 26 avril 2013 - 06:23 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Argolas wrote...

This is pure arrogance again. I can understand that people do not want to admit that they are flawed, but I never thought there would be that heavy resistance against letting yourself be improved. Neo-luddism at its best.

Seriously, what's with all this hardcore luddites, technophobes and xenophobes who dare think that setting off a machine in order to change every single being in existence on a fundemental level without their knowledge and/or consent might be something undesirable? After all the mysterious AI claiming to be responsible for the ongoing war of annihilation against everyone you know took about a whole minute to provide you with the vague basics about what Synthesis might do and why said AI thinks it's the most preferable solution to it's problem. And if that weren't enough the AI even gives you about another full minute to consider your options and make a decision.

I just don't understand people who would object to the improvement of their flawed existence under these circumstances. The unbelievable arrogance...!

[Argolas]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Argolas wrote...

This is pure arrogance again. I can understand that people do not want to admit that they are flawed, but I never thought there would be that heavy resistance against letting yourself be improved. Neo-luddism at its best.

Seriously, what's with all this hardcore luddites, technophobes and xenophobes who dare think that setting off a machine in order to change every single being in existence on a fundemental level without their knowledge and/or consent might be something undesirable? After all the mysterious AI claiming to be responsible for the ongoing war of annihilation against everyone you know took about a whole minute to provide you with the vague basics about what Synthesis might do and why said AI thinks it's the most preferable solution to it's problem. And if that weren't enough the AI even gives you about another full minute to consider your options and make a decision.

I just don't understand people who would object to the improvement of their flawed existence under these circumstances. The unbelievable arrogance...!

Yes. It's shortsighted and selfish.

It took me a while to realize, but I managed to overcome my ínternal barriers of liddism and selfishness to finally embrace Synthesis.

[TheRealJayDee]

Argolas wrote...

Yes. It's shortsighted and selfish.

It took me a while to realize, but I managed to overcome my ínternal barriers of liddism and selfishness to finally embrace Synthesis.

Okay, I've definitely been away from the BSN for too long - are you answering my sarcasm with sarcasm of your own or are you being serious?

[Enhanced]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Enhanced wrote...
Protheans just had much better scientists. They knew what they were doing. The Reapers couldn't have been defeated without them.

Here's the deal. The Protheans guided the Asari in there development, toyed with their genetics, protected them from other hostiles species, and gave them some basic tools like arithmetics to help them develop a bit faster. Protheans gave the Asari some understanding of basic physics and agriculture they didn't interfere by giving them them advanced tech. The bit about using the Asari to fight the Reapers is something Javik said to make Liara feel better after Thesia, take with a grain of salt.

The Salarians threw some advanced weapons and ship at the Krogan so they could fight the Rachni. This doesn't make them bad scientists, it means their political and military leadership was deperate.

Apple=/=Orange.

Still, both were advanced and improved unnaturally. My point is that it's not a bad thing if it's done right.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Enhanced wrote...
Still, both were advanced and improved unnaturally. My point is that it's not a bad thing if it's done right.

Sure, but it's the difference between gradual tweaks to help a society move forward and throwing a bunch of new toys at a civilization.

Synthesis is certainly the latter.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 26 avril 2013 - 06:54 .

[robertthebard]

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Ok, wait for it:  The Salarians were wrong for uplifting the Krogans, but Shepard is right for uplifting every species in the galaxy, whether they are evolved enough to have a culture or not.

Not wrong for doing it, but wrong because they weren 't ready for it.

So what's the difference?  If it's wrong because they're not ready, then it's wrong to do it (to them) isn't it?  But since the beam doesn't discriminate, they got it done to them.  So if it's wrong to do it (to them) when they're not ready, it must be wrong to do it, because you're going to do it to them whether you intend to or not.  It's the same thing as shooting the tube, if I'm guilty of killing EDI and the geth when I do that, then somebody that jumps into the beam is guilty of synthesizing species that aren't ready.  I wonder how many more species were affected by Synthesis than a Destroy with the geth still in the war.

[Enhanced]

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Ok, wait for it:  The Salarians were wrong for uplifting the Krogans, but Shepard is right for uplifting every species in the galaxy, whether they are evolved enough to have a culture or not.

Not wrong for doing it, but wrong because they weren 't ready for it.

So what's the difference?  If it's wrong because they're not ready, then it's wrong to do it (to them) isn't it?  But since the beam doesn't discriminate, they got it done to them.  So if it's wrong to do it (to them) when they're not ready, it must be wrong to do it, because you're going to do it to them whether you intend to or not.  It's the same thing as shooting the tube, if I'm guilty of killing EDI and the geth when I do that, then somebody that jumps into the beam is guilty of synthesizing species that aren't ready.  I wonder how many more species were affected by Synthesis than a Destroy with the geth still in the war.

As the Catalyst says, they are ready for synthesis.

[adayaday]

Enhanced wrote...

As the Catalyst says, they are ready for synthesis.

He also says that Shepard will die in destory,along with other questionable things.

[AresKeith]

Enhanced wrote...


As the Catalyst says, they are ready for synthesis.

So because the brat says they ready, its ok

But when other people tries to do something, its not ok?

[robertthebard]

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Ok, wait for it:  The Salarians were wrong for uplifting the Krogans, but Shepard is right for uplifting every species in the galaxy, whether they are evolved enough to have a culture or not.

Not wrong for doing it, but wrong because they weren 't ready for it.

So what's the difference?  If it's wrong because they're not ready, then it's wrong to do it (to them) isn't it?  But since the beam doesn't discriminate, they got it done to them.  So if it's wrong to do it (to them) when they're not ready, it must be wrong to do it, because you're going to do it to them whether you intend to or not.  It's the same thing as shooting the tube, if I'm guilty of killing EDI and the geth when I do that, then somebody that jumps into the beam is guilty of synthesizing species that aren't ready.  I wonder how many more species were affected by Synthesis than a Destroy with the geth still in the war.

As the Catalyst says, they are ready for synthesis.

It says you are ready, but now you're just evading the point.  You point out that doing it isn't wrong, but doing it to them is, and I submitted that if doing it to them is wrong, then doing it is wrong, and you respond with "but the Catalyst says...".  The Kid says a lot of things, it says that Destroy could well kill Shepard, since Shepard is partly synthetic too.  It also says we can't keep our forms, but check it out, in 3 out of 4 possible choices, we do indeed keep our forms, even if one of those is altered at a genetic level.

[M Hedonist]

Yup. The galaxy has known the Geth as enemies for centuries, is being destroyed by a race of giant death machines and is now ready to embrace the machines.

[PsyrenY]

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

There is a difference between overcoming the limitations we currently have, and having no limitations left at all. Synthesis has new challenges (one of which, the mortality barrier, they are in the process of addressing), they are just vastly different from the ones the galaxy will face in the other endings.

For one thing, there is the heat death of the universe to worry about. We actually might be able to tackle that problem now.

[Indy_S]

shodiswe wrote...

Indy_S wrote...

Not to mention that they're individuals now and the ones who previously voted against peace can now undertake more extreme acts to get what they want, guaranteeing that the war will go on.

If you're talking about a Geth minority taking up arms or engaging in terrorism then it would be no different than any other terrorist organization out there.

It's possible soem Quarians who lost family might do soemthing similar even if their people were the Agressors, it's not liek peopel are reasonable or understanding.

If a single Geth or Quarian shoots the other, it's organic versus synthetic conflict. Synthesis doesn't remove the conflict. And since conflict is the Catalyst's failure state, it just might decide that Synthesis doesn't cut it and return to the cycle.