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[Fixers0]

Destroy is superior.

[Wayning_Star]

Enhanced wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I hate to mention this, but Bioware needs to supply another DLC to explain the crucible engineers. How did they know to interface with Shepard without prior knowledge of who the avatar of organics might be?

Shep has to be the author of the choices menu. But that menu has to interface directly with Shepard and the Catalyst. (as well as good ol' mother nature as well, if not mostly.)

It's the least they can to for Fans..

 "It's adaptive in it's design". Any organic who made to that point could have done it.  Kind of like Asari being able to reproduce with any race.

I wondered about that, but who the heck could know of such things?

[Wayning_Star]

tickle267 wrote...

Hooray for synthesis!



Oh wait...

I put on my special mask, they're ascared of me now! Ha Haaah!

[Xilizhra]

o Ventus wrote...

>It plainly happens
>"Oh, it's just symbolic"

That's the premiere reason Synthesis is bad. People who like it and/or support it have to headcanon ways for it to make any remote sense.

It's something we see, not something that's explained. There are many possible interpretations for it.

[Enhanced]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I hate to mention this, but Bioware needs to supply another DLC to explain the crucible engineers. How did they know to interface with Shepard without prior knowledge of who the avatar of organics might be?

Shep has to be the author of the choices menu. But that menu has to interface directly with Shepard and the Catalyst. (as well as good ol' mother nature as well, if not mostly.)

It's the least they can to for Fans..

 "It's adaptive in it's design". Any organic who made to that point could have done it.  Kind of like Asari being able to reproduce with any race.

I wondered about that, but who the heck could know of such things?

Protheans

Modifié par Enhanced, 25 avril 2013 - 04:48 .

[Wayning_Star]

Xilizhra wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

>It plainly happens
>"Oh, it's just symbolic"

That's the premiere reason Synthesis is bad. People who like it and/or support it have to headcanon ways for it to make any remote sense.

It's something we see, not something that's explained. There are many possible interpretations for it.

I cannot blame folks for wanting a better explanation for such events, especially in sci fi adventures. Speculative fiction has to have 'meanings' and those meaning should be at least, more than touched upon. I can speculate how the green beam might work, but could never explain it scientifically.

It's the writers curse, not the readers?

[Auld Wulf]

Eh. I like Synthesis actually fixing people. It cures Joker, for one. And a lot of problems are caused by emotionally unsound minds as I've discussed before. Not everyone has the neurophysiological architecture to actually feel empathy. Furthermore, with errors like that repaired and a galactic consensus in place, we might actually stop trying to kill each other all the time.

I guess I just see the transcendence of humanity as a good thing. The human condition is cruel, and based around inequity and suffering. By making everyone equal, we solve a lot of the problems we have today. To a degree though, I think it's an issue of execution. I do think that the Helios AI representation is a little better, but still, I have a lot of love for Synthesis. It's just that playing Deus Ex gives you perceptions regarding these ideals that you might not otherwise have. And games can be clever when conveying ideologies, moreso than any written work.

This is why I'm disappointed that they don't rise to the challenge more often.

[Wayning_Star]

Enhanced wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I hate to mention this, but Bioware needs to supply another DLC to explain the crucible engineers. How did they know to interface with Shepard without prior knowledge of who the avatar of organics might be?

Shep has to be the author of the choices menu. But that menu has to interface directly with Shepard and the Catalyst. (as well as good ol' mother nature as well, if not mostly.)

It's the least they can to for Fans..

 "It's adaptive in it's design". Any organic who made to that point could have done it.  Kind of like Asari being able to reproduce with any race.

I wondered about that, but who the heck could know of such things?

Protheans

think that's why they left that stuff on Mars for us stupids to find and revel in our discovery? Lives of the rich'n famous!!

[Wayning_Star]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Eh. I like Synthesis actually fixing people. It cures Joker, for one. And a lot of problems are caused by emotionally unsound minds as I've discussed before. Not everyone has the neurophysiological architecture to actually feel empathy. Furthermore, with errors like that repaired and a galactic consensus in place, we might actually stop trying to kill each other all the time.

I guess I just see the transcendence of humanity as a good thing. The human condition is cruel, and based around inequity and suffering. By making everyone equal, we solve a lot of the problems we have today. To a degree though, I think it's an issue of execution. I do think that the Helios AI representation is a little better, but still, I have a lot of love for Synthesis. It's just that playing Deus Ex gives you perceptions regarding these ideals that you might not otherwise have. And games can be clever when conveying ideologies, moreso than any written work.

This is why I'm disappointed that they don't rise to the challenge more often.

immersion can be relied upon a bit too much tho, lazy. I felt some posters pain on that score..

I support synthesis, because it's probably canon and the extent of the MEU preferences for high tech. They resolve to be totally dependent on it. Even to the point of evolution, as the term 'ascension' is kind of over used, by controlled reapership mentality. The term is not all inclusive, by any means. But SEEMS to be invoked by the organic need to create stuff to better their position amongst the stars. (no tech NO stars..bummer)

[Argolas]

I am beginning to see advantages in Synthesis that I never realized before. For example, the dead don't have to uselessly rot anymore. Their synthetic parts easily allow to reactivate their bodies so they could do dangerous and harmful work for us. No human lives would ever be wasted again in dangerous and harmful places such as sulfur mines. They can also help in emergencies, capable as any human but immune to most harms, like saving people from fire and alike. They are also very fit to be a police force- husks can collect data and transmit it. In dangerous ares of towns, policemen can patrol from the safety of their offices.

All those tasks would have needed complicated and expensive technology before and thus have been impossible, but with Synthesis, it can be done.

[Xilizhra]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Eh. I like Synthesis actually fixing people. It cures Joker, for one. And a lot of problems are caused by emotionally unsound minds as I've discussed before. Not everyone has the neurophysiological architecture to actually feel empathy. Furthermore, with errors like that repaired and a galactic consensus in place, we might actually stop trying to kill each other all the time.

I guess I just see the transcendence of humanity as a good thing. The human condition is cruel, and based around inequity and suffering. By making everyone equal, we solve a lot of the problems we have today. To a degree though, I think it's an issue of execution. I do think that the Helios AI representation is a little better, but still, I have a lot of love for Synthesis. It's just that playing Deus Ex gives you perceptions regarding these ideals that you might not otherwise have. And games can be clever when conveying ideologies, moreso than any written work.

This is why I'm disappointed that they don't rise to the challenge more often.

I agree in concept... but transcendence rejected could lead to even more terrible wars, if too much was given in a way that too many people rejected.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

I am beginning to see advantages in Synthesis that I never realized before. For example, the dead don't have to uselessly rot anymore. Their synthetic parts easily allow to reactivate their bodies so they could do dangerous and harmful work for us. No human lives would ever be wasted again in dangerous and harmful places such as sulfur mines. They can also help in emergencies, capable as any human but immune to most harms, like saving people from fire and alike. They are also very fit to be a police force- husks can collect data and transmit it. In dangerous ares of towns, policemen can patrol from the safety of their offices.

All those tasks would have needed complicated and expensive technology before and thus have been impossible, but with Synthesis, it can be done.

now don't get all cynical there Arg... medical science is still just science, not relying on miracle drugs and what not.

Shep DID get resurrected, so it's not all bad?

[AresKeith]

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

[Auld Wulf]

o Ventus wrote...

>It plainly happens
>"Oh, it's just symbolic"

That's the premiere reason Synthesis is bad. People who like it and/or support it have to headcanon ways for it to make any remote sense.

Which is true of just about anything artsy ever. Almost every artistic work requires some level of interpretation by the viewer/reader, this is even true of literature. There are great works which are still being philosophised over, great works which demand introspection. And that's bad, is it?

Your stance is truly that all art, if it requires any amount of effort to understand, is bad? That soul searching, self examination, introspection, and philosophy are bad?

Hokay.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, sadly I can't do that because that isn't a surprise at all.

[themikefest]

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

Yes he does.
 3:40

[Wayning_Star]

Xilizhra wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Eh. I like Synthesis actually fixing people. It cures Joker, for one. And a lot of problems are caused by emotionally unsound minds as I've discussed before. Not everyone has the neurophysiological architecture to actually feel empathy. Furthermore, with errors like that repaired and a galactic consensus in place, we might actually stop trying to kill each other all the time.

I guess I just see the transcendence of humanity as a good thing. The human condition is cruel, and based around inequity and suffering. By making everyone equal, we solve a lot of the problems we have today. To a degree though, I think it's an issue of execution. I do think that the Helios AI representation is a little better, but still, I have a lot of love for Synthesis. It's just that playing Deus Ex gives you perceptions regarding these ideals that you might not otherwise have. And games can be clever when conveying ideologies, moreso than any written work.

This is why I'm disappointed that they don't rise to the challenge more often.

I agree in concept... but transcendence rejected could lead to even more terrible wars, if too much was given in a way that too many people rejected.

Synthesis cannot be 'rejected' as the implementation is on the basest of levels. As if its natural as any 'thing' organic.

The MEU is as if it's always been that way. That's the 'totality' of synthesis... Nature has been reconfigured to include organics and their synthetic children, of sorts. Everything in the MEU and beyond are synthesized.

(the beyond part is speculation, but you mess with atomic structures, you get byproducts. Seems like this is inherent with all things synthetic,eh? Folks still needs them tho, like industrial revolution, only different?)

[Wayning_Star]

themikefest wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

Yes he does.
 3:40

yep, writers cramp for sure.. seen that too. He does kind of limp some jumping out of the ship, but walks much better with Edi in arm..

cute scene... isn't love Grand.

[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

I am beginning to see advantages in Synthesis that I never realized before. For example, the dead don't have to uselessly rot anymore. Their synthetic parts easily allow to reactivate their bodies so they could do dangerous and harmful work for us. No human lives would ever be wasted again in dangerous and harmful places such as sulfur mines. They can also help in emergencies, capable as any human but immune to most harms, like saving people from fire and alike. They are also very fit to be a police force- husks can collect data and transmit it. In dangerous ares of towns, policemen can patrol from the safety of their offices.

All those tasks would have needed complicated and expensive technology before and thus have been impossible, but with Synthesis, it can be done.

now don't get all cynical there Arg... medical science is still just science, not relying on miracle drugs and what not.

Shep DID get resurrected, so it's not all bad?

But the whole society would benefit, would it not? Therefore, it's desirable.

[Xilizhra]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

I am beginning to see advantages in Synthesis that I never realized before. For example, the dead don't have to uselessly rot anymore. Their synthetic parts easily allow to reactivate their bodies so they could do dangerous and harmful work for us. No human lives would ever be wasted again in dangerous and harmful places such as sulfur mines. They can also help in emergencies, capable as any human but immune to most harms, like saving people from fire and alike. They are also very fit to be a police force- husks can collect data and transmit it. In dangerous ares of towns, policemen can patrol from the safety of their offices.

All those tasks would have needed complicated and expensive technology before and thus have been impossible, but with Synthesis, it can be done.

now don't get all cynical there Arg... medical science is still just science, not relying on miracle drugs and what not.

Shep DID get resurrected, so it's not all bad?

But the whole society would benefit, would it not? Therefore, it's desirable.

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell.

[dreamgazer]

Oh, boy. The strawman-thumping party has arrived. Grab the margarita glasses, folks!

[Wayning_Star]

Auld Wulf wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

>It plainly happens
>"Oh, it's just symbolic"

That's the premiere reason Synthesis is bad. People who like it and/or support it have to headcanon ways for it to make any remote sense.

Which is true of just about anything artsy ever. Almost every artistic work requires some level of interpretation by the viewer/reader, this is even true of literature. There are great works which are still being philosophised over, great works which demand introspection. And that's bad, is it?

Your stance is truly that all art, if it requires any amount of effort to understand, is bad? That soul searching, self examination, introspection, and philosophy are bad?

Hokay.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, sadly I can't do that because that isn't a surprise at all.

I'd wager to guess that synthesis it what he/she don't like.. art or no.. it's just that simple. lol

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

I am beginning to see advantages in Synthesis that I never realized before. For example, the dead don't have to uselessly rot anymore. Their synthetic parts easily allow to reactivate their bodies so they could do dangerous and harmful work for us. No human lives would ever be wasted again in dangerous and harmful places such as sulfur mines. They can also help in emergencies, capable as any human but immune to most harms, like saving people from fire and alike. They are also very fit to be a police force- husks can collect data and transmit it. In dangerous ares of towns, policemen can patrol from the safety of their offices.

All those tasks would have needed complicated and expensive technology before and thus have been impossible, but with Synthesis, it can be done.

now don't get all cynical there Arg... medical science is still just science, not relying on miracle drugs and what not.

Shep DID get resurrected, so it's not all bad?

But the whole society would benefit, would it not? Therefore, it's desirable.

the dead within the reaper hulls and the husks and other miscreations of the catalyst could and probably would benefit, that is desirable. Ways to USE them is revealing.. and undesirable?

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, boy. The strawman-thumping party has arrived. Grab the margarita glasses, folks!

I'll bring the margaritaville lol

[Wayning_Star]

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, boy. The strawman-thumping party has arrived. Grab the margarita glasses, folks!

uh, probably shouldn't build fires in our straw huts then,eh?

Auld isn't troll food now, is he/she?

I've noticed the trend, and basic bully techs on full alert before.