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[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

the dead within the reaper hulls and the husks and other miscreations of the catalyst could and probably would benefit, that is desirable. Ways to USE them is revealing.. and undesirable?

I can't quite follow. Is enlisting them to tasks that need to be done and are harmful for humans but not for them wrong in some way?

[dreamgazer]

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, boy. The strawman-thumping party has arrived. Grab the margarita glasses, folks!

uh, probably shouldn't build fires in our straw huts then,eh?

Auld isn't troll food now, is he/she?

I've noticed the trend, and basic bully techs on full alert before.

Actually, I'm referring to the discussions on "arty" work---and those who either appreciate a certain subject or don't---that are the very definition of building a false position and flailing it to benefit one's perspective.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 25 avril 2013 - 05:39 .

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

the dead within the reaper hulls and the husks and other miscreations of the catalyst could and probably would benefit, that is desirable. Ways to USE them is revealing.. and undesirable?

I can't quite follow. Is enlisting them to tasks that need to be done and are harmful for humans but not for them wrong in some way?

It's what forged the Geth into confrontation with Quarians. We've no idea how their symptoms of reaper technology has altered the abilities as functional. We have no way to know exactly what they're capable of or not. So to envision them as 'useful' tools to benefit others in such ways is assume they're capable and willing to do those things. It is dehumanizing them, or de organitizing them. The same questions were never asked of synthetic beings. They were just deployed, to benefit organics.

Kind of the same complaint used against the idea of synthesis.. that of which comparatively benefits both, synthetic and organics.

Besides Arg, you're not all that for/about synthesis, so I'd have to consider the possibility of your inferences as less than positive, even if juxtaposed.

edit/Note: When did you change your avatar there Argolas? Collector Boss? Whoa!!

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 25 avril 2013 - 05:46 .

[Wayning_Star]

dreamgazer wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Oh, boy. The strawman-thumping party has arrived. Grab the margarita glasses, folks!

uh, probably shouldn't build fires in our straw huts then,eh?

Auld isn't troll food now, is he/she?

I've noticed the trend, and basic bully techs on full alert before.

Actually, I'm referring to the discussions on "arty" work---and those who either appreciate a certain subject or don't---that are the very definition of building a false position and flailing it to benefit one's perspective.

oh, it just seemed to me these type of references seems to appear with Auld Wulf notation.

The whole MEU is based on false position, the straw man being technology and the flailing being the human condition requiring all alien life forms to conform to our set of standards.

[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

the dead within the reaper hulls and the husks and other miscreations of the catalyst could and probably would benefit, that is desirable. Ways to USE them is revealing.. and undesirable?

I can't quite follow. Is enlisting them to tasks that need to be done and are harmful for humans but not for them wrong in some way?

It's what forged the Geth into confrontation with Quarians. We've no idea how their symptoms of reaper technology has altered the abilities as functional. We have no way to know exactly what they're capable of or not. So to envision them as 'useful' tools to benefit others in such ways is assume they're capable and willing to do those things. It is dehumanizing them, or de organitizing them. The same questions were never asked of synthetic beings. They were just deployed, to benefit organics.

Kind of the same complaint used against the idea of synthesis.. that of which comparatively benefits both, synthetic and organics.

Besides Arg, you're not all that for/about synthesis, so I'd have to consider the possibility of your inferences as less than positive, even if juxtaposed.

So you are saying that husks are... intelligent? I thought the game established that huskification starts with indoctrination, and indoctrination results in mental decay. Geth are intelligent and capable of self-awareness. Mentally decayed husks can't possibly achieve the same. Remember Vigil? It told us that the Reapers left the Indoctrinated of the Prothean cycle behind, and they starved or died of exposure. We either direct the husks or they die. And if we have to direct them, why not let them save lifes?

And just because I always was pro Destroy, does that mean I can't discuss possible Synthesis benefits? If you think so, you don't have to respond.

Wayning_Star wrote...

edit/Note: When did you change your avatar there Argolas? Collector Boss? Whoa!!

Just why the hell not? I changed my sig rather frequently lately, so I just thought I might try something entirely new.

Modifié par Argolas, 25 avril 2013 - 05:53 .

[Ecrulis]

Now all we need is Sevial and we got ourselves a party

/grabs a chair, popcorn and a soda

Modifié par Ecrulis, 25 avril 2013 - 05:53 .

[Wayning_Star]

I will break your will / I will crush your faith / I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart/
I will tear it apart!

roflmao..

[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

I will break your will / I will crush your faith / I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart/
I will tear it apart!

Yeah, it's a cool song. You should buy it.

EDIT:

I have come to unfold your mind
in my veins runs the poison wild
in the streams of mountains I flow
I have opened the doors for unleashed and endless hate
it will burn like the raging green flames
inside a man dwell secrets so cold

Through the dreadful storms, across the frozen oceans
I have come from the dark lands with sorrow in my hands
The firewind rages in the sky
and my luminious sword hungers for more
I will leave no one alive
For I am the Slayer of Light

I will break your will
I will crush your faith
I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart
I will tear it apart

I will pull everything with me under the surface
and all the screams will fade into my dreams
Fall now! Dying light!
I will burn away the ground beneath your feet
and all will be vanished in the darkness
Dying light! Fall now!
and let the night arrive

Modifié par Argolas, 25 avril 2013 - 06:05 .

[Auld Wulf]

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

the dead within the reaper hulls and the husks and other miscreations of the catalyst could and probably would benefit, that is desirable. Ways to USE them is revealing.. and undesirable?

I can't quite follow. Is enlisting them to tasks that need to be done and are harmful for humans but not for them wrong in some way?

It's what forged the Geth into confrontation with Quarians. We've no idea how their symptoms of reaper technology has altered the abilities as functional. We have no way to know exactly what they're capable of or not. So to envision them as 'useful' tools to benefit others in such ways is assume they're capable and willing to do those things. It is dehumanizing them, or de organitizing them. The same questions were never asked of synthetic beings. They were just deployed, to benefit organics.

Kind of the same complaint used against the idea of synthesis.. that of which comparatively benefits both, synthetic and organics.

Besides Arg, you're not all that for/about synthesis, so I'd have to consider the possibility of your inferences as less than positive, even if juxtaposed.

So you are saying that husks are... intelligent? I thought the game established that huskification starts with indoctrination, and indoctrination results in mental decay. Geth are intelligent and capable of self-awareness. Mentally decayed husks can't possibly achieve the same. Remember Vigil? It told us that the Reapers left the Indoctrinated of the Prothean cycle behind, and they starved or died of exposure. We either direct the husks or they die. And if we have to direct them, why not let them save lifes?

And just because I always was pro Destroy, does that mean I can't discuss possible Synthesis benefits? If you think so, you don't have to respond.

Wayning_Star wrote...

edit/Note: When did you change your avatar there Argolas? Collector Boss? Whoa!!

Just why the hell not? I changed my sig rather frequently lately, so I just thought I might try something entirely new.

Oh, ok, I just mistook the idea of their use as more important than any cure for them made possible. That would be my priority for them, and those upon the reaperships. I couldn't identify with their being useless otherwise,as beings, even though severely altered/wounded/destroyed by their huskification. Those beings left behind before were not, apparently left behind again when synthesized? Hopefully, anyways...

no reason, just wondered about the avatar..no biggy, nor 'dis' in ANY fashion.. sorry if you take it that way..not intended..

[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Oh, ok, I just mistook the idea of their use as more important than any cure for them made possible. That would be my priority for them, and those upon the reaperships. I couldn't identify with their being useless otherwise,as beings, even though severely altered/wounded/destroyed by their huskification. Those beings left behind before were not, apparently left behind again when synthesized? Hopefully, anyways...

no reason, just wondered about the avatar..no biggy, nor 'dis' in ANY fashion.. sorry if you take it that way..not intended..

Okay, and no offense taken

[Auld Wulf]

Ecrulis wrote...

Now all we need is Sevial and we got ourselves a party

/grabs a chair, popcorn and a soda

You would like popcorn, wouldn't you? >_>

Modifié par Auld Wulf, 25 avril 2013 - 06:15 .

[Argolas]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Ecrulis wrote...

Now all we need is Sevial and we got ourselves a party

/grabs a chair, popcorn and a soda

You would like popcorn, wouldn't you? >_>

Heh, quite ironic.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I will break your will / I will crush your faith / I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart/
I will tear it apart!

Yeah, it's a cool song. You should buy it.

EDIT:

I have come to unfold your mind
in my veins runs the poison wild
in the streams of mountains I flow
I have opened the doors for unleashed and endless hate
it will burn like the raging green flames
inside a man dwell secrets so cold

Through the dreadful storms, across the frozen oceans
I have come from the dark lands with sorrow in my hands
The firewind rages in the sky
and my luminious sword hungers for more
I will leave no one alive
For I am the Slayer of Light

I will break your will
I will crush your faith
I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart
I will tear it apart

I will pull everything with me under the surface
and all the screams will fade into my dreams
Fall now! Dying light!
I will burn away the ground beneath your feet
and all will be vanished in the darkness
Dying light! Fall now!
and let the night arrive

I didn't know Harbinger wrote music...lol

whats the name of that song, by the way, I'll go youtube it.

[Argolas]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I will break your will / I will crush your faith / I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart/
I will tear it apart!

Yeah, it's a cool song. You should buy it.

EDIT:

I have come to unfold your mind
in my veins runs the poison wild
in the streams of mountains I flow
I have opened the doors for unleashed and endless hate
it will burn like the raging green flames
inside a man dwell secrets so cold

Through the dreadful storms, across the frozen oceans
I have come from the dark lands with sorrow in my hands
The firewind rages in the sky
and my luminious sword hungers for more
I will leave no one alive
For I am the Slayer of Light

I will break your will
I will crush your faith
I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart
I will tear it apart

I will pull everything with me under the surface
and all the screams will fade into my dreams
Fall now! Dying light!
I will burn away the ground beneath your feet
and all will be vanished in the darkness
Dying light! Fall now!
and let the night arrive

I didn't know Harbinger wrote music...lol

whats the name of that song, by the way, I'll go youtube it.

Ensiferum - Slayer of Light

[AresKeith]

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

lol

[Ecrulis]

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

Please sir, don't mind us unwashed simpletons, we're just barely scraping by...could you...could you find it in your heart to enlighten us? We are lost without your brilliance.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

I will break your will / I will crush your faith / I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart/
I will tear it apart!

Yeah, it's a cool song. You should buy it.

EDIT:

I have come to unfold your mind
in my veins runs the poison wild
in the streams of mountains I flow
I have opened the doors for unleashed and endless hate
it will burn like the raging green flames
inside a man dwell secrets so cold

Through the dreadful storms, across the frozen oceans
I have come from the dark lands with sorrow in my hands
The firewind rages in the sky
and my luminious sword hungers for more
I will leave no one alive
For I am the Slayer of Light

I will break your will
I will crush your faith
I will slay your dreams
I will reclaim the stars and I will tear your precious world apart
I will tear it apart

I will pull everything with me under the surface
and all the screams will fade into my dreams
Fall now! Dying light!
I will burn away the ground beneath your feet
and all will be vanished in the darkness
Dying light! Fall now!
and let the night arrive

I didn't know Harbinger wrote music...lol

whats the name of that song, by the way, I'll go youtube it.

Ensiferum - Slayer of Light

oh I'm way too old for head banger stuff.. this is about as close as I dare go..lol

[Xilizhra]

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

Wouldn't a robot built for infiltration, and imitating a rather slightly built woman at that, not really be that heavy? For that matter, why would she have a need to lean? Why would she lose a sense of internal balance? It seems... peculiar.

[CDR David Shepard]

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

I absolutely love the irony in this.

[AresKeith]

Xilizhra wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

Wouldn't a robot built for infiltration, and imitating a rather slightly built woman at that, not really be that heavy? For that matter, why would she have a need to lean? Why would she lose a sense of internal balance? It seems... peculiar.

Because Wulf is a giant troll, or just acts smug and elite but doesn"t know what he"s talking about

[Auld Wulf]

Xilizhra wrote...

I agree in concept... but transcendence rejected could lead to even more terrible wars, if too much was given in a way that too many people rejected.

Not more terrible wars, just more wars, with more advanced weapons. The issue I have here is that people are always going to make war whilst operating under the laws of Darwinian nature anyway. They'll strive to be the apex race because that's essentially what nature wants -- for someone to be at the top of the food chain. The only way you can fix that is by overriding nature with something unnatural, something that has the wisdom of absolute fairness. Thus, people within a posthuman culture aren't going to be inclined toward war, unless it comes from the outside.

A posthuman culture is absolutely inevitable, it has to happen. The only alternative is for us to die on this resource-drained rock of ours due to our selfishness, our greed, our avarice, our narcissism, our self-interest, and so on. That's the way humans are, humans are very, very self-invested by default. It's hard for a human to think of even one other person outside themselves, this is why there are so many issues with family these days, so much divorce, so many kids ending up in broken homes or orphanages. The human just wants what's best for the human.

Any human like that is going to essentially be lead into war by their own instincts. Either to impress their own superiority upon everyone else, so that they are in an absolute position of despotic rule, or out of greed for another's resourecs. To use another common example? Fallout. Fallout shows one future that may await us, when certain world powers start annexing other countries for their resources. If we don't achieve a state of global understanding, something that defies the current human condition and nature, then we are ultimately doomed.

I see that as the 'test' of every sapient race. I think that this is what the galactic culture waits for. Are you going to achieve global understanding and become part of the greater galactic whole, or are you going to war, and consume, and war, and consume until there's nothing left on the rock you're forced to die on? That's why I believe that galactic culture is already in a post- status. I'd imagine that every sapient species out there which has achieved space travel is actually mind-networked, likely with the help of an AI to manage the details (a la Helios).

Many people are too self-interested to understand a point of view like mine. That's fine. You can't do anything with a limited thinker. But my point is is that a limited thinker outside of a post-status society won't actually change. So they'll always be drawn to war. There can't be more terrible wars than the wars they'd be engaged in anyway. A pre-Singularity society is either going to reach the Singularity or destroy itself, ultimately. So the worst wars will be those brought about via not having a post-human society. Since all you have then is war. Bigger weapons, greater greed, and so on. The cycle of war is only ended by the creation of a post-human state.

With Synthesis, you have a state of absolute equality for everyone. That's the wisdom of the Singularity. In the Mass Effect Universe it does seem like the majority have accepted this wisdom. So the minority will either head into isolation and war themselves into non-existence (as nature demands), or they'll eventually see all the good that comes of a post-human society and warm up to it. The post-human society won't force them into this, as there'll be no need. And the speed at which technology will develop when all is shared between organics and synthetics will likely be fast enough to develop defensive technologies, anyway.

Ultimately, I don't think it's an issue. People are going to war themselves into non-existence anyway. That's a fact of human nature. We're doing it all the time. Cold wars, conspiracies, world wars, terrorist attacks, skirmishes in populated areas, and so on. It'll just get worse and worse over time, and as the resources of our little rock dry up then the only thing left for us will be war, until the perfect example of nature is created, left to sit upon his throne in solitude. Deus Ex also covers this to a degree with the Omar, that's the distant future of humanity if we don't opt for a post-human state. We have only extinction to look forward to as we all fight for dominance.

And whlst I may tease and not like people, I would never actually wish war or death upon anyone. As annoying, or stupid, or unenlightened, or poorly educated as I might find a person to be, I'd want them around. Everyone has different perspectives, and those perspectives are valuable, I'll never understate the value of them in my own mind, even if they disagree with mine. (This is why I ran all of those polls, I'm sure you remember the torrent of polls.) I tend to find the individual's attitude repugnant sometimes, but never the ideas, ideals, or opinions. You have to be able to look past it.

I know some people have trouble with that. Some people will hate a work of art because of the artist behind it. That's a very petty attitude. Whilst I may fight and squabble, I do actually appreciate that we're all different. What I want however is for us to be different and not dead.

[PsyrenY]

@ Joker limping - I don't think the beam cured his Vrolik's Syndrome instantly, but I definitely think a cure is possible in Synthesis rather than the other endings.

As for the circuitry on the leaves, I see no reason why this can't be literal. If we can propel starships at FTL speeds, why not nanites?

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that... actually, I think everyone who hates Synthesis has zeroed in, laserlike, on the uplifting of organics (whatever that may mean, as it's never explained), I wonder now: what if that wasn't in? What if Synthesis was just giving synthetics understanding of organics, including the Reapers, ending the war and bringing peace, but without your worries about genetic modification and the like?

It would, in that case, be a no-brainer for me.

That would be problematic - we still wouldn't understand/equal them, so you'd still have Javiks/Gerrels wanting to wipe them out entirely and Xens/TIMs wanting to experiment on them with the goal of taking control. In other words, conflict. Understanding us with those flaws still in place would just lead to them wanting to leave us behind, us making more and the cycle eventually restarting.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 25 avril 2013 - 06:40 .

[Ecrulis]

Xilizhra wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

Wouldn't a robot built for infiltration, and imitating a rather slightly built woman at that, not really be that heavy? For that matter, why would she have a need to lean? Why would she lose a sense of internal balance? It seems... peculiar.

SHHHH you'll spoil his brilliant headcannon logic!

[Xilizhra]

A posthuman culture is absolutely inevitable, it has to happen. The only alternative is for us to die on this resource-drained rock of ours due to our selfishness, our greed, our avarice, our narcissism, our self-interest, and so on. That's the way humans are, humans are very, very self-invested by default. It's hard for a human to think of even one other person outside themselves, this is why there are so many issues with family these days, so much divorce, so many kids ending up in broken homes or orphanages. The human just wants what's best for the human.

True in large part, although I should point out that humans have never been any better than this in their mindset.

I see that as the 'test' of every sapient race. I think that this is what the galactic culture waits for. Are you going to achieve global understanding and become part of the greater galactic whole, or are you going to war, and consume, and war, and consume until there's nothing left on the rock you're forced to die on? That's why I believe that galactic culture is already in a post- status. I'd imagine that every sapient species out there which has achieved space travel is actually mind-networked, likely with the help of an AI to manage the details (a la Helios).

Haven't most of ME's races already done this?

With Synthesis, you have a state of absolute equality for everyone. That's the wisdom of the Singularity. In the Mass Effect Universe it does seem like the majority have accepted this wisdom. So the minority will either head into isolation and war themselves into non-existence (as nature demands), or they'll eventually see all the good that comes of a post-human society and warm up to it. The post-human society won't force them into this, as there'll be no need. And the speed at which technology will develop when all is shared between organics and synthetics will likely be fast enough to develop defensive technologies, anyway.

I don't know... is there an indication that true equality develops that fast? The ending slides, in many areas, aren't really that different.

As for the circuitry on the leaves, I see no reason why this can't be
literal. If we can propel starships at FTL speeds, why not nanites?

The mass of all the nanites necessary to be spread around to all organic life in the galaxy would be far, far larger than the Citadel itself.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 25 avril 2013 - 06:43 .