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[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

@ Joker limping - I don't think the beam cured his Vrolik's Syndrome instantly, but I definitely think a cure is possible in Synthesis rather than the other endings.

A cure would be possibly in any ending

[GreyLycanTrope]

Ecrulis wrote...
Please sir, don't mind us unwashed simpletons, we're just barely scraping by...could you...could you find it in your heart to enlighten us? We are lost without your brilliance.

Apparently not:

Auld Wulf wrote...
Not everyone has the neurophysiological architecture to actually feel empathy.

Self-referential humor at it's finest.

[robertthebard]

Auld Wulf wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Oh boy Wulf is here, and he says Synthesis cures Joker but he still limps in the Synthesis ending

I don't know why you keep embarrassing yourselves like this. Have you no shame?

Question: Would Joker, with brittle bone disease, be able to support the weight of a robot leaning against him?

Consider: The cure might not kick in immediately, but before the cure Joker has trouble even dancing, he fractures his thumb by hitting mute too hard even.

Answer: Logically Joker would not be able to remian upright with EDI leaning against him if his brittle bone disease hadn't been cured. He would have at least stumbled and/or groaned, even if he hadn't fallen over under her weight. She is a robot.

I can't expect everyone to be clever, observant, logical, and handsome though.

Think about that before you embarrass yourself again. Please. I actually feel guilty having to correct you and yours about issues like this.

So, with all these qualities, you still manage to point out the fatal flaw in your own argument, in an attempt to support it?  Of course, since you're so intelligent, you'll eventually figure it out, so there's no need to point it out to you, right?  Or, maybe get your girlfriend, and try this little experiment:  Lean into each other, and see which one is supporting who's weight.  If that's not possible, then get a couple of sticks from the back yard, and watch how they support each other when leaned together as we see in the video.  Now, if you want to show me a screenie of Joker carrying EDI, I'll buy it.  In being forced to sit through video after video however, to make sure I actually know what I'm talking about, instead of going "see, all better...", I did not observe Joker being cured.  He gets out of the ship exactly the same way as he does in the Destroy and Control endings.  Since he has never been confined to a wheelchair, his leg muscles work properly, so the only reason for being so gingerly about getting out of the ship is that he is, indeed, not cured.

[PsyrenY]

Xilizhra wrote...

The mass of all the nanites necessary to be spread around to all organic life in the galaxy would be far, far larger than the Citadel itself.

You're making some unfounded assumptions here, such as:

- Assuming that all life in the galaxy needs to be hit/converted simultaneously, as opposed to in waves.
- Assuming that each organism needs more than one nanite to start the process.
- Assuming that every nanite distributed has to come from the beam itself - with no replication or communication occurring at the local level.

The fact is that we don't know some very important details about the Synthesis process (and likely never will), such as: how much time passed between the Crucible firing and EDI's epilogue/Shepard's funeral; What planet the Normandy crashed on and how close it was to one of the networked Relays; and whether Synthesis can be spread from affected organisms/units as opposed to just the beam itself.

Until we know those (and again, we probably won't), saying that "such and such is impossible" is premature.

[Xilizhra]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

The mass of all the nanites necessary to be spread around to all organic life in the galaxy would be far, far larger than the Citadel itself.

You're making some unfounded assumptions here, such as:

- Assuming that all life in the galaxy needs to be hit/converted simultaneously, as opposed to in waves.
- Assuming that each organism needs more than one nanite to start the process.
- Assuming that every nanite distributed has to come from the beam itself - with no replication or communication occurring at the local level.

The fact is that we don't know some very important details about the Synthesis process (and likely never will), such as: how much time passed between the Crucible firing and EDI's epilogue/Shepard's funeral; What planet the Normandy crashed on and how close it was to one of the networked Relays; and whether Synthesis can be spread from affected organisms/units as opposed to just the beam itself.

Until we know those (and again, we probably won't), saying that "such and such is impossible" is premature.

There's a lot of life in the galaxy. In terms of sheer biomass, on Earth, the amount of microorganisms beneath the planet's surface may be larger than all the life above it. I will say that you make a good point about the nanites possibly replicating themselves after the first beam and then spreading... though I don't entirely know if that's possible, given the hardware limitations within something so small, especially if it's not being actively guided.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

In synthesis, everyone is interconnected to the reapers and hence to starbrat since he is the "collective consciousness of all reapers" and the Intelligence. He said so himself if you listened. This fundamental. Your thoughts are no longer your own. It is no longer quiet.

MAKE IT STOP!!!!

He can hear you all the time. Isn't this wonderful? Oh, and there of course are no longer any private thoughts because we are all interconnected. But there will be peace.

"The cycle will end. ...."

He didn't say anything about peace. But apparently you thought that the geth and saving those poor innocent reapers were worth changing these creatures all over the galaxy, thus ending their evolution. Did he want to be part machine? I think not. Synthesis is stupid.



But then I'm guessing synthesis does not care about this sort of thing. They consider those of us who choose nature primitive. I guess the newly synthesized galaxy will create these scenes in their synthesized holographic realities. How will you know what is real and what is not?

And you controllers are sitting on a time bomb. The reapers destroy ecosystems, too.

[Phatose]

Avast ye mateys, look at all that headcanon.

Connected now means "telepathy". So all you people connected on the internet, I'm stealing your thoughts!

[robertthebard]

Phatose wrote...

Avast ye mateys, look at all that headcanon.

Connected now means "telepathy". So all you people connected on the internet, I'm stealing your thoughts!

Oooo.  You know you shouldn't be thinking that while connected...At least keep it PG 13...

[Ecrulis]

robertthebard wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Avast ye mateys, look at all that headcanon.

Connected now means "telepathy". So all you people connected on the internet, I'm stealing your thoughts!

Oooo.  You know you shouldn't be thinking that while connected...At least keep it PG 13...

What disgusting and inappropriate thoughts rob, for shame!

[PsyrenY]

Xilizhra wrote...

There's a lot of life in the galaxy. In terms of sheer biomass, on Earth, the amount of microorganisms beneath the planet's surface may be larger than all the life above it. I will say that you make a good point about the nanites possibly replicating themselves after the first beam and then spreading... though I don't entirely know if that's possible, given the hardware limitations within something so small, especially if it's not being actively guided.

Viruses are small too, yet they have no problem copying themselves ad infinitum. I see no reason for nanites to behave any differently.

We also don't know how long the process takes - some time between Crucible activating and Normandy crashing is the time needed to turn skin/eyes green apparently, but that doesn't mean Synthesis was finished and over with at that point. This could even explain Joker's limp.

[PsyrenY]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But then I'm guessing synthesis does not care about this sort of thing. They consider those of us who choose nature primitive. 

"Disease. Parasites. Lions ate their prey alive. Nature can be horrible."
...
"We need to break free of nature, and open our minds to new forms of life."

-Engineer Adams, Normandy SR-2

[AlexMBrennan]

Synthesis without the synthesis would not be synthesis - it would just amount to toggling the Reapers' "evil" switch.

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But then I'm guessing synthesis does not care about this sort of thing. They consider those of us who choose nature primitive. 

"Disease. Parasites. Lions ate their prey alive. Nature can be horrible."
...
"We need to break free of nature, and open our minds to new forms of life."

-Engineer Adams, Normandy SR-2

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean this

Also "I never asked for this"

-Adam Jensen

[PsyrenY]

AresKeith wrote...

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean this

Also "I never asked for this"

-Adam Jensen

"We need to break free of nature" is a pretty tacit endorsement of synthesis, or at least the ideas behind it.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 25 avril 2013 - 07:40 .

[Hazegurl]

Xilizhra wrote...

Given that... actually, I think everyone who hates Synthesis has zeroed in, laserlike, on the uplifting of organics (whatever that may mean, as it's never explained), I wonder now: what if that wasn't in? What if Synthesis was just giving synthetics understanding of organics, including the Reapers, ending the war and bringing peace, but without your worries about genetic modification and the like?

It would, in that case, be a no-brainer for me.

Nope, I would still kill the reapers and starbrat. The next batch of Synthetic life can work towards understanding organics in their own time in their own pace.

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I'm pretty sure he didn't mean this

Also "I never asked for this"

-Adam Jensen

"We need to break free of nature" is a pretty tacit endorsement of synthesis, or at least the ideas behind it.

The idea behind it I can accept, but an endorsement for Synthesis? That's pure opinion

[robertthebard]

Ecrulis wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Phatose wrote...

Avast ye mateys, look at all that headcanon.

Connected now means "telepathy". So all you people connected on the internet, I'm stealing your thoughts!

Oooo.  You know you shouldn't be thinking that while connected...At least keep it PG 13...

What disgusting and inappropriate thoughts rob, for shame!

But...Phatose started it...

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Optimystic_X wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But then I'm guessing synthesis does not care about this sort of thing. They consider those of us who choose nature primitive. 

"Disease. Parasites. Lions ate their prey alive. Nature can be horrible."
...
"We need to break free of nature, and open our minds to new forms of life."

-Engineer Adams, Normandy SR-2

People feel emotion. Artificial intelligence is programmed. - Dr. Chakwas
It's not the same thing. Our emotions are a natural response. - Dr. Chakwas
So now you're siding with the reapers? - Dr. Chakwas
Despite my disgust with Cerberus, the geth are just machines - Dr. Chakwas

I sided with the doctor.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 25 avril 2013 - 08:35 .

[Fawx9]

Synthesis, as presented, advocates that the only way to solve differences between 2 groups is to forcibly change them.

There is so much wrong that I could point to anywhere in our history to show examples of this being a bad idea.

[Bill Casey]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

But then I'm guessing synthesis does not care about this sort of thing. They consider those of us who choose nature primitive. 

"Disease. Parasites. Lions ate their prey alive. Nature can be horrible."
...
"We need to break free of nature, and open our minds to new forms of life."

-Engineer Adams, Normandy SR-2

People feel emotion. Artificial intelligence is programmed. - Dr. Chakwas
It's not the same thing. Our emotions are a natural response. - Dr. Chakwas
So now you're siding with the reapers? - Dr. Chakwas
Despite my disgust with Cerberus, the geth are just machines - Dr. Chakwas

I sided with the doctor.

I sided with Adams...
And I still do...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 25 avril 2013 - 08:53 .

[o Ventus]

Auld Wulf wrote...

Your stance is truly that all art, if it requires any amount of effort to understand, is bad? That soul searching, self examination, introspection, and philosophy are bad?

Hokay.

I'd like to say I'm surprised, sadly I can't do that because that isn't a surprise at all.

Gee, thanks for telling me my what my opinion on art was. I'd never have found that one out.

Nobody (besides you) said anything about art, but thanks anyway.

A simple, genocidal Luddite like me can't even tie my own shoes without help.

Because I know your ego and superiority complex will overtake your ability to read, I was being sarcastic.  I shouldn't need to tell you that literally everything you've said to me is total garbage. Not only is your "interpretation" of my opinion patently false, but your assumptions about me as a person (not only in here) and your passive-aggressive attacks are total garbage. Exactly why are you here on these boards? You have never contributed anything of value in terms of discussion, and *nobody* appreciates your input.

Modifié par o Ventus, 25 avril 2013 - 09:29 .

[PsyrenY]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

People feel emotion. Artificial intelligence is programmed. - Dr. Chakwas
It's not the same thing. Our emotions are a natural response. - Dr. Chakwas
So now you're siding with the reapers? - Dr. Chakwas
Despite my disgust with Cerberus, the geth are just machines - Dr. Chakwas

I sided with the doctor.

I sided with Adams. Isn't it great how we can debate these things? 

But my point isn't about who's right or wrong - it's that both perspectives are valid points of view.

Now, Chakwas' perspective essentially says that the Geth are merely emulating life, without truly being alive. If you believe that, that's fine, but I don't think she's had many conversations with Legion (or EDI for that matter.)

[Xilizhra]

You have never contributed anything of value in terms of discussion, and *nobody* appreciates your input.

Actually, I find it interesting.

[iOnlySignIn]

What "understanding of organics"?

The reapers are made from organics. With the specific purpose of "preserving" them. What deeper "understanding" of something than making that something part of you?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 avril 2013 - 01:27 .

[iOnlySignIn]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

People feel emotion. Artificial intelligence is programmed. - Dr. Chakwas
It's not the same thing. Our emotions are a natural response. - Dr. Chakwas

Emotions are but a relic from the past. Organics will evolve beyond them, with or without Synthesis.

To propose emotions as the one distinction of organics over synthetics is... self-deprecating, to say the least.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 avril 2013 - 01:23 .