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[Indy_S]

Thanks!

[shodiswe]

I'm not sure how changing the Geth would stop the Quarians from trying to kill them and force them into defending themselves. I doubt that changing "only" Synthetics would stop the conflict.

It might help them negotiate better, but it likely wouldn't be enough if the otherside doesn't want to talk.

Modifié par shodiswe, 26 avril 2013 - 01:18 .

[Indy_S]

Not to mention that they're individuals now and the ones who previously voted against peace can now undertake more extreme acts to get what they want, guaranteeing that the war will go on.

[Aaleel]

"Dead reapers is how we win this"

The goal from day one (ME1) was to stop the reaper threat for good. There's still only one ending that guarantees that reapers will never be a threat again. The others still require crossing fingers and hoping for the best.

[Yestare7]

Aaleel wrote...

"Dead reapers is how we win this"

The goal from day one (ME1) was to stop the reaper threat for good. There's still only one ending that guarantees that reapers will never be a threat again.

+1

[iOnlySignIn]

Aaleel wrote...

"Dead reapers is how we win this"

The goal from day one (ME1) was to stop the reaper threat for good. There's still only one ending that guarantees that reapers will never be a threat again. The others still require crossing fingers and hoping for the best.

Yep.

The only way to never be threatened again is to become the strongest.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 26 avril 2013 - 03:37 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Argolas wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Auld Wulf wrote...

Not everyone has the neurophysiological architecture to actually feel empathy.

Good we have at least you to bring some empathy to the BSN...!

You do realize that he is just trying to be fair here? He's saying it is not those people's fault.

But I guess some only repay fairness with sarcasm. It's sad.

And now I'm actually unsure about wether you're sarcastic or serious yourself...

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 26 avril 2013 - 03:46 .

[PsyrenY]

Aaleel wrote...

"Dead reapers is how we win this"

The goal from day one (ME1) was to stop the reaper threat for good. There's still only one ending that guarantees that reapers will never be a threat again. The others still require crossing fingers and hoping for the best.

Synthesis stops it too if you're paying attention.

Destroy stops the short-term threat but does nothing for the underlying one.

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

"Dead reapers is how we win this"

The goal from day one (ME1) was to stop the reaper threat for good. There's still only one ending that guarantees that reapers will never be a threat again. The others still require crossing fingers and hoping for the best.

Synthesis stops it too if you're paying attention.

Destroy stops the short-term threat but does nothing for the underlying one.

And what is the Underlying threat?

[PsyrenY]

AresKeith wrote...

And what is the Underlying threat?

We will make more synthetics (thanks to our organic limitations still being there in Destroy) and make ourselves obsolete all over again.

In Synthesis, those limitations are no more.

[robertthebard]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And what is the Underlying threat?

We will make more synthetics (thanks to our organic limitations still being there in Destroy) and make ourselves obsolete all over again.

In Synthesis, those limitations are no more.

So now, there is no need to evolve, or grow as a culture since we have everything already.  There are two stages to life, growing, or dying.  Once a culture reaches it's apex, it begins to decline.  So now, civilizations that were no where near their apex are suddenly put there via the Space Magic beam, and now have no reason to evolve.  They have, after all, reached the "pinnacle" of evolution, so now they can begin to die.

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

And what is the Underlying threat?

We will make more synthetics (thanks to our organic limitations still being there in Destroy) and make ourselves obsolete all over again.

In Synthesis, those limitations are no more.

That doesn't solve anything

[PsyrenY]

robertthebard wrote...

So now, there is no need to evolve, or grow as a culture since we have everything already.  There are two stages to life, growing, or dying.  Once a culture reaches it's apex, it begins to decline.  So now, civilizations that were no where near their apex are suddenly put there via the Space Magic beam, and now have no reason to evolve.  They have, after all, reached the "pinnacle" of evolution, so now they can begin to die.

No, there are still challenges - just different ones. And we can face them together instead of one side being ridiculously advanced while the other is left behind in the dust.

Listen to EDI's voiceover narrative - we are still growing and changing. Therefore we can't possibly "have everything" yet.

[robertthebard]

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

Modifié par robertthebard, 26 avril 2013 - 04:55 .

[Enhanced]

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Modifié par Enhanced, 26 avril 2013 - 05:13 .

[AresKeith]

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

The Protheans didn't treat the Asari like the Slarians did the Krogan

[robertthebard]

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Ok, wait for it:  The Salarians were wrong for uplifting the Krogans, but Shepard is right for uplifting every species in the galaxy, whether they are evolved enough to have a culture or not.

[Enhanced]

AresKeith wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

The Protheans didn't treat the Asari like the Slarians did the Krogan

Maybe you are right. Based on how Javik describes the Protheans, it was probably worse.

[Enhanced]

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Ok, wait for it:  The Salarians were wrong for uplifting the Krogans, but Shepard is right for uplifting every species in the galaxy, whether they are evolved enough to have a culture or not.

Not wrong for doing it, but wrong because they weren 't ready for it.

[DOsquareZER]

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

Ok, wait for it:  The Salarians were wrong for uplifting the Krogans, but Shepard is right for uplifting every species in the galaxy, whether they are evolved enough to have a culture or not.

Not wrong for doing it, but wrong because they weren 't ready for it.

Moderation is key! 
Uplift slowly.  Gently.  Give them a sensual amount of time to truly enjoy it, embrace it.  ... not attach rocket boots to their feet and watch em fly off into the sunset with shotguns blazing like those damned lizards did with the krogan.

[AresKeith]

Enhanced wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

The Protheans didn't treat the Asari like the Slarians did the Krogan

Maybe you are right. Based on how Javik describes the Protheans, it was probably worse.

And yet it probably wasn't since the Asari aren't like the Krogan

[Enhanced]

AresKeith wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Enhanced wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Mordin

Oh?

Edit tags.

That's another thing he was wrong about. Mordin even say's that they made mistakes with Krogan. Salarian scientist aren't that smart. Asari, "uplifted" by Protheans. Was not disastrous.

The Protheans didn't treat the Asari like the Slarians did the Krogan

Maybe you are right. Based on how Javik describes the Protheans, it was probably worse.

And yet it probably wasn't since the Asari aren't like the Krogan

Protheans just had much better scientists. They knew what they were doing. The Reapers couldn't have been defeated without them.

Modifié par Enhanced, 26 avril 2013 - 05:49 .

[Yestare7]

Optimystic_X wrote...


We will make more synthetics (thanks to our organic limitations still being there in Destroy) and make ourselves obsolete all over again.

This faulty reasoning is behind the Catalyst and the Reapers. 
Flawed and Faulty. Geth and Quarians get along just fine. 

Tis time to leave the Catalyst lies behind us,
and craft our own future, without Reapers and most definately without Synthesis.



Y

[Argolas]

Yestare7 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...


We will make more synthetics (thanks to our organic limitations still being there in Destroy) and make ourselves obsolete all over again.

This faulty reasoning is behind the Catalyst and the Reapers. 
Flawed and Faulty. Geth and Quarians get along just fine. 

Tis time to leave the Catalyst lies behind us,
and craft our own future, without Reapers and most definately without Synthesis.



Y

This is pure arrogance again. I can understand that people do not want to admit that they are flawed, but I never thought there would be that heavy resistance against letting yourself be improved. Neo-luddism at its best.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Enhanced wrote...
Protheans just had much better scientists. They knew what they were doing. The Reapers couldn't have been defeated without them.

Here's the deal. The Protheans guided the Asari in there development, toyed with their genetics, protected them from other hostiles species, and gave them some basic tools like arithmetics to help them develop a bit faster. Protheans gave the Asari some understanding of basic physics and agriculture they didn't interfere by giving them them advanced tech. The bit about using the Asari to fight the Reapers is something Javik said to make Liara feel better after Thesia, take with a grain of salt.

The Salarians threw some advanced weapons and ship at the Krogan so they could fight the Rachni. This doesn't make them bad scientists, it means their political and military leadership was deperate.

Apple=/=Orange.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 26 avril 2013 - 06:05 .