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[RainbowDazed]

I'm glad Mac is working on ME4. I'm sure the whole team has learned much from ME3 and I think it's great to have people who have worked with ME for a long time on the next game.

[SilJeff]

It would be cool if he is mostly involved with the characters, though I have nothing against him, as I think the endings are ok now.

But there is no way for us to know if the ending haters are a majority or just a vocal minority. Unless you work for Bioware and have access to the hard data.

[ShaggyWolf]

AresKeith wrote...

If Mac is only doing characters and small stories like ME2 loyalty missions then that's cool

Those are Mac's strengths, but writing a plot and its ending not so much

^This. The guy made mistakes when he was writing in ME3, but he's not even close to being the only one. The whole game is plagued by bad writing/design decisions. And despite ME3's flaws, Mac Walters had some shining examples of excellent writing prior to the game's release.

Mac Walters being on the project doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how people like me, who disliked ME3 almost in its entirety, are simply being branded a small vocal minority. That tells me that no one at Bioware thinks they did anything wrong. That tells me that they can concieve of no reason to not place Mac in a lead writing position.

This does nothing to inspire confidence in the franchise's future for me. It sucks to be very disappointed in a series' conclusion and basically be told: "Take your insignificant opinion and deal with it. And please buy the next Mass Effect game."

I'm already not buying ME4 unless I see very positive fan reviews, that convince me that they changed their writing/design strategy, which is a big change for me since I pre ordered the ME3 CE the day it was available. But I suppose it's not that important to anyone besides myself, my 60$ are meaningless since apparently, the majority's already in their pocket.

Modifié par Valadras21, 26 avril 2013 - 08:11 .

[Wolfva2]

Valadras21 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

If Mac is only doing characters and small stories like ME2 loyalty missions then that's cool

Those are Mac's strengths, but writing a plot and its ending not so much

^This. The guy made mistakes when he was writing in ME3, but he's not even close to being the only one. The whole game is plagued by bad writing/design decisions. And despite ME3's flaws, Mac Walters had some shining examples of excellent writing prior to the game's release.

Mac Walters being on the project doesn't bother me. What bothers me is how people like me, who disliked ME3 almost in its entirety, are simply being branded a small vocal minority. That tells me that no one at Bioware thinks they did anything wrong. That tells me that they can concieve of no reason to not place Mac in a lead writing position.

This does nothing to inspire confidence in the franchise's future for me. It sucks to be very disappointed in a series' conclusion and basically be told: "Take your insignificant opinion and deal with it. And please buy the next Mass Effect game."

I'm already not buying ME3 unless I see very positive fan reviews, that convince me that they changed their writing/design strategy, which is a big change for me since I pre ordered the ME3 CE the day it was available. But I suppose it's not that important to anyone besides myself, my 60$ are meaningless since apparently, the majority's already in their pocket.

Has it occurred to you that you, and those like you, aren't the people whom Bioware is making games for?  After all, you've already said you're not buying ME3.  Good for you!  You shouldn't buy a product that you don't like.  Me?  I don't buy liver.  Hate the stuff. Since I know I hate it, I'll never buy some, then flock to the Liver forums to slam liver.  I also won't insist that everyone else hate liver just as much as I do.  I won't criticize the liver cheffs who specialize in making something I don't like, or denigrate them as non-cooking hacks who should never be allowed in a kitchen.  I won't insist that they make something I DO like instead.  I simply...avoid liver.   But I ALSO don't get offended when a great Liver chef says, "HMPH!  People who do not like my liver dishes are in the minority!  Take your insignificant opinion and deal with it!".  In part because I have high self esteem and frankly could care less what someone who doesn't even know me thinks about me.  But also because I KNOW I'm not their target audience, so they are RIGHT.

I liked the endings ok.  Sure, they could have been better.  They also could have been worst.  But I liked the entire trilogy quite a bit.  Guess what?  People like me?  WE'RE the people Bioware makes games for.  WE are their target audience.  If they're lucky, there'll be enough of us to make a profit off of.  If not, they'll go out of business.  Either way, you shouldn't care since you don't like their product.  Instead of haunting their forums, though, and getting your feelings hurt by some guy's insignificant opinion of you, perhaps you should go do something you DO like?  Maybe...play a game that is more to your liking?  Even go to  THEIR forums where you can defend that game from the people who dislike it?  I mean, unless you just like to complain, moaning and rattling your chains like Marley's ghost.  In which case, knock yerself out.

[Bowhunter4L]

Holy s&$t ,this goes out to the haters that is cutting down Mr. Walters., just remember its a GAME not real life. My god everyone that has to nit pick about everything down to the last detail must have a lot of time on there hands.Video games are to have fun and escape reality for awhile, not to be dissected like a damn science project. Hell if you haters think you can do a better job... Either put up or shut up. Hell I loved the series. I would love to say a big thanks to Walters and the whole team at BW for making me be able to have fun and escape for awhile from my real life.and I'm sure in gonna get alot of flak about my post but who cares while you're complaining I'm having FUN playing my second play through. Bye

[Mr.House]

Really, i didn't have that much interest in the next game at all, Mac being lead writer again jwould make me not care for the next game. Sure he can create good characters, but John did a better job with Wrex and Garrus then he did imo. While I did like Vega, the forced flirting did put a sour taste in my mouth and it felt Walters did not really care about the players Shepard, let's put what he did to Hackett, the start of ME3, Cerberus and TIM, the crucible and the ending. That's also just from ME3, ME2 we had Lazarus, Cerberus being retcon and railroaded to join them, sole survivor Shepard forgetting about what really happen on Akuze, the treatment of old ME characters that where not Garrus and Tali, the Collector plot, non-LOTSB Liara, a suicide mission where 12 people can die, in the middle of a trilogy ect It's not pretty. Mac being part of the team is not an issue, but being lead?From his track record, he is simply not a good lead.

Now if he is just a writer like he was in ME, that's a good thing and puts my stance on "ME4" back to being eh which is a good thing.

Modifié par Mr.House, 26 avril 2013 - 06:55 .

[Reptilian Rob]

RainbowDazed wrote...

I'm glad Mac is working on ME4. I'm sure the whole team has learned much from ME3 and I think it's great to have people who have worked with ME for a long time on the next game.

Agreed!

[Redbelle]

While the ending was a negative, it's just as important to balance what was bad with what was good. if hour's of gameplay was good, and the final ten minute's were aweful, (and unfortunately placed at the end of the game to leave us with that sour note). Then surely the good outweigh's the bad.

Unlessssssss

How do you play the game. As a game player who like's shooting thing's? Or a story player who, again lke's shooting thing's, but also like's a strong narrative to back up the action's you have to perform.

I think the problem lean's towards those who are less engaged with the story don't see why a drop in narration is important and cannot see how the construction and development of that part of the narrative dropped the standard of what came before. Whereas a player who is emotionally engaged with the story see's the problem that the level of ability in telling a story petered out.

The problem in quality control is that story does not run on a 'system' the way combat does. Build a system of rules into a game to dictate combat physic's, aim control, visual's of the gun play, particle effect B designed to work if the player does action A and you have a combat system that'll work the same way everytime.

Story writing has no system to fall back on. It all has be created from nothing for every minute of story that exists, and no guideline exsits to tell you if you have got it right till you submit the work to constructive critisism.

Modifié par Redbelle, 26 avril 2013 - 07:13 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Sweet!

[CroGamer002]

Considering only writer of Montreal is person who wrote Citadel side quests and Omega DLC, this is a huge improvement.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

I'm mixed on this news. As long as ALL of his stuff is being peer reviewed I think I'll be okay with it. He technically did write Garrus...I think.

[CroGamer002]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

I'm mixed on this news. As long as ALL of his stuff is being peer reviewed I think I'll be okay with it. He technically did write Garrus...I think.

Him and Wrex.

[ShaggyWolf]

@Wolfva2, my dozen or so playthroughs of ME1+2 would like to have a word with you. I'd also like to point out that I have greatly enjoyed every single Bioware game I've ever played (and I've been playing em since I was small) except ME3. And even that's not entirely true because of the several hundred hours I've spent enjoying ME3's MP.

I'm not here to "complain" or "rattle my chains" (though I appreciate the reference). I'm here because the only thing I want is for Bioware to make a new Mass Effect game that I'll enjoy like ME2, or ME3's multiplayer. And given their official stance, I'm simply afraid that's not going to happen. My post was meant to express that idea, not complain about ME3, because even I'm tired of thinking about the things I dislike about the game.

Also, I meant to say I'm disinclined to buy ME"4" in my last post instead of ME3, since I already bought it. Edited to correct my typo.

I'd appreciate it if, in the future, you'd not come by on your high horse and try to banish me from the forums. And perhaps, if you care to reply again, you can explain to me what exactly Bioware's target audience is, if not someone who- with one exception- loves all of Bioware's games?

[Fredvdp]

Mac Walters (writer of Garrus and Wrex in ME1) is working on ME4.

The ending is definitely flawed, but that doesn't mean Walters is incapable of doing good work. He wrote some good material for the trilogy, but boy, people are still crying about that ending.

[Fixers0]

Chris Priestly wrote...
If you dislike Mac's writing SOLELY because of the endings, I suggest you look for all the other writing he did in ME2 & 3 and reevaluate how much you "hate" his writing.

Ever since Walters took over the Helm as lead-writer of the ME series, i've seen a decline in the writing quality, surely it wasn't all his fault, but as co-lead writer of ME2 he did authorize for certain aspects such as: project Lazerus, The Collector plot, the Normandy abduction, the Human Reaper, which are softly said, of questionable narrative quality. Of course i won't even have to start about the Crucible, Cerberus, Kai-Leng, etc.

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 avril 2013 - 08:48 .

[stysiaq]

He wrote a lot of good stuff and some pretty underwhelming. No big deal for me, if he won't be responsible for the main storyline events and sticks to the side characters.

[N7-RedFox]

The problem with the ME3 ending wasn't Mac Walters per say. The problem was more of a combination of EA rushing him and Casey Hudson to meet deadlines. They panicked and they fumbled the ending.

They also cut out the rest of the writing team and did not allow them to have any input on the ending either. This was also a bad move because it meant that the ME think tank wasn't at full strength.

Just goes to show that a few careless decisions can completely massacre an otherwise great story. You know, now that I think about it, putting Star Child in ME3's ending was a lot like putting Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars.

[Guanxii]

The writing is only part of the problem with the ending in truth. Practically everybody involved with it should be secretly ashamed and probably are. I just figured that they ran out of time and money and this is the best that they could do under the circumstances. That's the only logical conclusion that can be drawn. They clearly didn't have the time or resources to create a new ending either.

But when they defend their cognitive dissonance like this I just feel embarrassed for them. Especially when you know that Mac while not Drew is a competent writer for the most part.

I don't blame Mac. I blame the project leads poor project management and overall failure to negotiate a longer extension and adequate resources coupled with EA's unreasonable expectations.

[KevinT18]

Valadras21 wrote...

@Wolfva2, my dozen or so playthroughs of ME1+2 would like to have a word with you. I'd also like to point out that I have greatly enjoyed every single Bioware game I've ever played (and I've been playing em since I was small) except ME3. And even that's not entirely true because of the several hundred hours I've spent enjoying ME3's MP.

I'm not here to "complain" or "rattle my chains" (though I appreciate the reference). I'm here because the only thing I want is for Bioware to make a new Mass Effect game that I'll enjoy like ME2, or ME3's multiplayer. And given their official stance, I'm simply afraid that's not going to happen. My post was meant to express that idea, not complain about ME3, because even I'm tired of thinking about the things I dislike about the game.

Also, I meant to say I'm disinclined to buy ME"4" in my last post instead of ME3, since I already bought it. Edited to correct my typo.

I'd appreciate it if, in the future, you'd not come by on your high horse and try to banish me from the forums. And perhaps, if you care to reply again, you can explain to me what exactly Bioware's target audience is, if not someone who- with one exception- loves all of Bioware's games?

Dont take it personal man, Wolfva has been going through something this life playthrough i.e. since conception it seems

[Dieb]

GreenSoda wrote...

...and still insisting that Mass Effect 3 ending was only disliked by a "very vocal minority".

Source: http://o.canada.com/...-mass-effect-4/

Imo, that's a risky move on BW's part. *Really* risky.

He does not. There is no quote on the internet that ever has him say those words in relation to this article.

What about that is risky? Should he never be assigned with a project again, for being partially responsible for excellent sales numbers and a gigantic fanbase?

It's rather the natural decision that Mac Walters will be working on the next ME game. I readily partake in many discussions about the many faults of ME games, but I'm not discussing people, nor collections of why they're unfit to do their job properly. Sorry to be so bold, but it angers me that so many people simply use their sophisticated vocabulary to basically cover up doing just that.

There are more factors to the production of a videogame that determine what a writer ends up putting to paper, than his skills to imagine interesting stories and write them down in compelling words. Or his ego.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 26 avril 2013 - 10:05 .

[Seishoujyo]

Stop people.

It's a good thing, Walters knows very well the Mass Effect universe, so yeah he ****ed up the ending of ME3 but he did a lot of good things too (he has written Garrus and Cerberus etc).

So it isn't a bad idea, no Mass Effect 4 is in good hands.

[Morty Smith]

I think it is time for an editorial staff.

[Bizinha]

I believe that the new Mass will be focused to new players who have not played the previous trilogy, so normal to be Walter.

[dreamgazer]

Fixers0 wrote...

Ever since Walters took over the Helm as lead-writer of the ME series, i've seen a decline in the writing quality, surely it wasn't all his fault, but as co-lead writer of ME2 he did authorize for certain aspects such as: project Lazerus, The Collector plot, the Normandy abduction, the Human Reaper, which are softly said, of questionable narrative quality. Of course i won't even have to start about the Crucible, Cerberus, Kai-Leng, etc.

We are talking about the same series that first authorized an asari-cloning, mind-controlling plant, Boobs Benezia, and the convenient Mako-launching conduit, right? 

[Steelcan]

Seishoujyo wrote...

Stop people.

It's a good thing, Walters knows very well the Mass Effect universe, so yeah he ****ed up the ending of ME3 but he did a lot of good things too (he has written Garrus and Cerberus etc).

So it isn't a bad idea, no Mass Effect 4 is in good hands.

. Because Cerberus has been written so very consistently and well......