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[Hazegurl]

So, smart move on Mr. Walters part to insult the fanbase...excuse me "vocal minority" base while announcing that he is the lead writer. Bravo BioWare, you are truly instilling complete trust and confidence in the people you want to buy your game.

Modifié par Hazegurl, 26 avril 2013 - 01:20 .

[Dieb]

dreamgazer wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Ever since Walters took over the Helm as lead-writer of the ME series, i've seen a decline in the writing quality, surely it wasn't all his fault, but as co-lead writer of ME2 he did authorize for certain aspects such as: project Lazerus, The Collector plot, the Normandy abduction, the Human Reaper, which are softly said, of questionable narrative quality. Of course i won't even have to start about the Crucible, Cerberus, Kai-Leng, etc.

We are talking about the same series that first authorized an asari-cloning, mind-controlling plant, Boobs Benezia, and the convenient Mako-launching conduit, right? 

Double the standards, double the fun.

P.S.: Am I the only one seeing the irony in a fanbase, that criticises the consistency and quality of the writing of posts criticising the consistency and quality of the writing?

[El Mito]

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 26 avril 2013 - 02:31 .

[dreamgazer]

 Here, I found a subsequent article: http://o.canada.com/...e-games-ending/

“I would say it’s vindication because, I was at Fan Expo in Vancouver today and I’ve been to several expos since the ending, by and large, the fans that talked to me are people that either enjoyed the ending or are not necessarily that unhappy with the ending at all,” said Walter’s during the Q&A.

“There is a vocal minority and we did want to see what we could do to help that but at the same time I think we also did what we thought was best for the series,” said Walters.

“When you take it as a whole now and you look at the Citadel (DLC), in there as well you have those fond farewells and those moments people want. They fit much better into the game than they would have if we tried to put them into the end of Mass Effect 3."

Also, read the author's other article and notice how he's slanting his tone. Not exactly honest journalism, even if his reservations are merited.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 26 avril 2013 - 01:38 .

[lovesnow]

Love masseffect 3, just not the end,no rescue and the ending did not reflect any saved game play lol,hope ME 4 is not the same

[Wulfram]

People are polite in person. Most people aren't going to run up to someone and say "Your game sucks!" uninvited.

Confusing that with people liking the ending is silly.

Modifié par Wulfram, 26 avril 2013 - 01:44 .

[DarthLaxian]

hm...

i would not say it like that (wording is not all that clever as it is directly insulting), but in essence i can but agree to what is being said in this posting (short as it is)

why?

because the writing and story in Mass Effect was best in ME1 and every game after the first had lesser writing than the last one.

that is partly because of the change in writers and because the plot changed (dark energy plot (!) - it was never solved) a lot.

and maybe (most likely IMHO) it was also because EA got involved too much (while i do understand the EA point of view on gaming, i can not condone it when it comes to roleplaying games, as they need development time, deep plots, good characters, well written dialogue, emotional scenes (virmire in ME1 comes to mind!) and so much more!)

as for Mac himself:

he does write very good characters (at least that is my oppinion) - like Garrus and Wrex, which i both like very much - but major plots? - well, i do not know

hell he could be good if one let him write his own universe (being unbound by someone elses work might get him to show more creativity, who knows?), but in ME-Universe he didn't do much good (not that most other writers/developers on that could keep the standart set by the first game when it came to writing...not that ME2 was bad, hell i really loved that, also the over all writing is worse then in the first game - but it has better gameplay IMHO)...so i do not know if he is the right person for the lead writer's job (i would not have given it to him though as many of us fans do not like him and it would be prudent to either get someone new or someone loved by the fans)...

well, in the end ME4 will be a "wait and see" for me, as i am still disappointed with bioware at how they handled ME3 (not only the ending, but the game as a whole...it could have been an EPIC MILESTONE in gaming, but NO it was broken from the start IMHO...fixing it would have only been possible by scrapping and starting again from scratch! - as for their promotions and interviews before ME3-launch i would say: they lied to our face and don't even admit it because our oppinion seems to be somewhat insignificant to them...they even put that into the extended cut (refuse ending which is a ****slap IMHO)) and before that (also that was another team from bioware) Dragon Age 2 (this game was even worse IMHO)

greetings LAX

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 26 avril 2013 - 02:33 .

[Dieb]

dreamgazer wrote...

 Here, I found a subsequent article: http://o.canada.com/...e-games-ending/

“I would say it’s vindication because, I was at Fan Expo in Vancouver today and I’ve been to several expos since the ending, by and large, the fans that talked to me are people that either enjoyed the ending or are not necessarily that unhappy with the ending at all,” said Walter’s during the Q&A.

“There is a vocal minority and we did want to see what we could do to help that but at the same time I think we also did what we thought was best for the series,” said Walters.

“When you take it as a whole now and you look at the Citadel (DLC), in there as well you have those fond farewells and those moments people want. They fit much better into the game than they would have if we tried to put them into the end of Mass Effect 3."

Also, read the author's other article and notice how he's slanting his tone. Not exactly honest journalism, even if his reservations are merited.

Thanks for putting that together.

I think the headline is misleading. I understand he thinks the ones that went ballistic over the ending are the minority. There is probably a more than considerable amount of people who are not exactly happy with the ending, but didn't think it made the entire game a personal insult and/or proof of incompetence/ignorance/arrogance on his part.

Modifié par Baelrahn, 26 avril 2013 - 01:52 .

[GeneralMoskvin_2.0]

IMO still Mister Karpyshyn's lack was very notable in ME3. ME3's characters, take Javik away from that, simply were lacking the fascinating element ME2's had. No matter how often they change Liara's face and how depressed she looks, she still won't be on par with Samara, the depth they gave her as she is torn between her role as a justicar and as a mother of three potentially dangerous children was stunning. Same for EDI and Legion, EDI was the perfectly polite AI we know from so many SF series the whole time, and I won't even touch how silly it was to give her a body. The character development felt...rushed to me. Legion however is a whole different subject. We only saw the Geth as the slaughtering machine monsters until it appeared in front of our noses. It was perfectly rational but had so many flaws at the same time. Also, it was the only squadmate that really felt alien. But at the same time, its point of view and ethic standards were surprisingly human. You just could see that, as Karpyshyn was gone, Walters was simply a little....overwhelmed.

But still, man grows with the size of his task. I hope Mister Walters delivers a good story. And better characters.

Modifié par GeneralMoskvin_2.0, 26 avril 2013 - 02:11 .

[bleetman]

This isn't about strategy or tactics! We fight or we die!

Yeeeeeeaaaah. I'll pass, thanks.

Wulfram wrote...

People are polite in person. Most people aren't going to run up to someone and say "Your game sucks!" uninvited.

Confusing that with people liking the ending is silly.

I get the impression people aren't going to travel in bulk to Canda to attend a fan expo event just to rail on the writing team, either. I know I don't have the will to do so, even if I did have the time or the disposable income.

Modifié par bleetman, 26 avril 2013 - 02:05 .

[MegaSovereign]

dreamgazer wrote...

 Here, I found a subsequent article: http://o.canada.com/...e-games-ending/

“I would say it’s vindication because, I was at Fan Expo in Vancouver today and I’ve been to several expos since the ending, by and large, the fans that talked to me are people that either enjoyed the ending or are not necessarily that unhappy with the ending at all,” said Walter’s during the Q&A.

“There is a vocal minority and we did want to see what we could do to help that but at the same time I think we also did what we thought was best for the series,” said Walters.

“When you take it as a whole now and you look at the Citadel (DLC), in there as well you have those fond farewells and those moments people want. They fit much better into the game than they would have if we tried to put them into the end of Mass Effect 3."

Also, read the author's other article and notice how he's slanting his tone. Not exactly honest journalism, even if his reservations are merited.

With that context he's not exactly being condescending, even if he did use the bad "M" word.

But stop being a joykill, dreamgazer. People want this as cannon fodder so let them have it.

[dreamgazer]

Nothing to see here. Forgot what section we were in. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 26 avril 2013 - 02:09 .

[Mathias]

I know I said I hope Mac creates some good characters in the next game, but really I just meant that in general, and not as a personal interest in the game. ME3 killed every interest I had in this universe, and if Mac's involved in the next game, then that just turns me off even more. Especially considering how he mentioned being burnt out on the universe of Mass Effect during the third game's production.

If it were up to me, I would've just ended the franchise with ME3, instead of just dragging it's broken bloated corpse around.

[CBGB]

None of this bothered me until I read

he doesn’t think the majority of Mass Effect fans had an issue with
Mass Effect 3′s ending and that it was just a very vocal minority.

That doesn't bode well.

[Cutlass Jack]

Mac Walters having any involvement in ME4 should be a complete non-issue to all those people who claimed they'd never buy another Mass Effect game again based on the ending.

[Cucobr]

I cant wait to see the ending of the game through youtube.



For obvious motives.

[Sebby]

dreamgazer wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Ever since Walters took over the Helm as lead-writer of the ME series, i've seen a decline in the writing quality, surely it wasn't all his fault, but as co-lead writer of ME2 he did authorize for certain aspects such as: project Lazerus, The Collector plot, the Normandy abduction, the Human Reaper, which are softly said, of questionable narrative quality. Of course i won't even have to start about the Crucible, Cerberus, Kai-Leng, etc.

We are talking about the same series that first authorized an asari-cloning, mind-controlling plant, Boobs Benezia, and the convenient Mako-launching conduit, right? 

None of that wrecks the plot like ME2's general pointlessness, crucible(which is a byproduct of the former) and Derperus Sith empire.

[LPPrince]

Yeah, this doesn't change my opinion at all. After ME3's ending, I've simply lost interest in the ME franchise, so ME4 will most likely never gain a sale from me. I don't plan on playing it.

[MegaIllusiveMan]

Hey! Thanks for the answer Chris.

Oh, I really liked the Mass Effect Endings, so I don't have anything against him. Also, he wrote some awesome Comics like Mass Effect Invasion and Homeworlds.

And again, I really like his writing and I'm looking forward to Mass Effect *whatever is called*.

Oh, and while I'm here, let me ask a litte question:
Could we please know if any other Mass Effect writers, like Drew Karpyshin or Patrick Weekes returning(sorry if I mispelled their names.)

Edit: fixed wrong wording...

Modifié par MegaIllusiveMan, 26 avril 2013 - 03:39 .

[dreamgazer]

Seboist wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Ever since Walters took over the Helm as lead-writer of the ME series, i've seen a decline in the writing quality, surely it wasn't all his fault, but as co-lead writer of ME2 he did authorize for certain aspects such as: project Lazerus, The Collector plot, the Normandy abduction, the Human Reaper, which are softly said, of questionable narrative quality. Of course i won't even have to start about the Crucible, Cerberus, Kai-Leng, etc.

We are talking about the same series that first authorized an asari-cloning, mind-controlling plant, Boobs Benezia, and the convenient Mako-launching conduit, right? 

None of that wrecks the plot like ME2's general pointlessness, crucible(which is a byproduct of the former) and Derperus Sith empire.

In the right eyes they certainly could.  Just don't think too hard about the cipher and the Mako's landing after being shot through the chute. 

(And yes, I do think ME1's writing is "better" than the others.  But let's not be silly about the disparity between them). 

[MDT1]

Hazegurl wrote...

So, smart move on Mr. Walters part to insult the fanbase...excuse me "vocal minority" base while announcing that he is the lead writer. Bravo BioWare, you are truly instilling complete trust and confidence in the people you want to buy your game.

Don't get provoked by that vocal minority thing. It's just one of those always true things that are typically missunderstood. Like in politics where you tell half truths by omitting significant information so people make the (wrong) conclusion you want them to make without outright lying yourself.

It actually means that for every one goining to the forums to complain you can find 10 that didn't bother to join BSN/whatever to complain.
 In short "the majority of the customers isn't vocal", because they keep silent no matter what their opinion is.

Modifié par MDT1, 26 avril 2013 - 03:56 .

[CBGB]

Fixers0 wrote...

Ever since Walters took over the Helm as lead-writer of the ME series, i've seen a decline in the writing quality, surely it wasn't all his fault, but as co-lead writer of ME2 he did authorize for certain aspects such as: project Lazerus, The Collector plot, the Normandy abduction, the Human Reaper, which are softly said, of questionable narrative quality.

Well said.

Everyone has elements of the stories they don't like (the Human Reaper just looks wrong to me, better suited to a space-zombie line), but those problems go beyond that.

Project Lazerus was a narrative mistake: why kill  character only to instantly resurrect him, with no intervening events? If Shepard had lived, to be rescued and rehabilitated by Cerberus, the storyline could progress exactly as it did, but without cheapening the loss of any death; presumably, Lazarus means the death of any other major character could now be reversed.

That kind of choice seems to be made in a vacuum of player response, not the best way to build a story. And to now read that the problem with the ending of ME3 was not the ending itself, but simply the view of a 'vocal minority' is more than troubling. It's insulting.

[LinksOcarina]

MegaSovereign wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

 Here, I found a subsequent article: http://o.canada.com/...e-games-ending/

“I would say it’s vindication because, I was at Fan Expo in Vancouver today and I’ve been to several expos since the ending, by and large, the fans that talked to me are people that either enjoyed the ending or are not necessarily that unhappy with the ending at all,” said Walter’s during the Q&A.

“There is a vocal minority and we did want to see what we could do to help that but at the same time I think we also did what we thought was best for the series,” said Walters.

“When you take it as a whole now and you look at the Citadel (DLC), in there as well you have those fond farewells and those moments people want. They fit much better into the game than they would have if we tried to put them into the end of Mass Effect 3."

Also, read the author's other article and notice how he's slanting his tone. Not exactly honest journalism, even if his reservations are merited.

With that context he's not exactly being condescending, even if he did use the bad "M" word.

But stop being a joykill, dreamgazer. People want this as cannon fodder so let them have it.

**** those people. They deserve to have their joy diminished since its not the truth.

[Iakus]

CBGB wrote...

None of this bothered me until I read

he doesn’t think the majority of Mass Effect fans had an issue with
Mass Effect 3′s ending and that it was just a very vocal minority.

That doesn't bode well.

Yeah, that's the crux of it.

Not thinkng the ending debacle was a big deal, or the anger over it that persists to this day, is very worrying.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

*Sigh*

I think its safe to say that bioware is turning into the new capcom.