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[ME123insanity]

The guy that liked the ME3 ending, and is working on ME4? That's not very good at all...

[wright1978]

CBGB wrote...

None of this bothered me until I read

he doesn’t think the majority of Mass Effect fans had an issue with
Mass Effect 3′s ending and that it was just a very vocal minority.

That doesn't bode well.

Yep doesn't bode well at all.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

The only thing that I care about from this upon reflection is focusing on how it was a vocal minority, etc.

Is it really necessary to go back there and poke that bear? Just as the fans should let it go, the developers should too.

[Eain]

Chris Priestly wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yeah there was another thread about this.

Then it got "disappeared"

It was removed as people insulted Mac, which is against the rules. These people were banned. The thread can stay open, but if it devolves into insults, then people will be banned and it'll be closed.

And for Arial and others who don't believe this is real, it is true. Mac is working on ME4 like he says in the article.

If you dislike Mac's writing SOLELY because of the endings, I suggest you look for all the other writing he did in ME2 & 3 and reevaluate how much you "hate" his writing.

Then honesty forces me to admit that I think he's an average writer overall. Certainly not atrocious, but his characters were the least colourful and his storylines the least engaging. Yes, that includes Garrus and Wrex. Garrus as a bro I never understood. It's just that he follows you around the whole time and always acts as your yesman that people confuse him for being a bro. I think he's a bit of a blank slate. Wrex is alright, I guess. Never really missed him in ME2 and ME3. If I had to trade one of my squadmates in ME2 for Wrex I'd have traded Garrus.

My favourites have always been Zaeed, Legion and Thane.

Of course the ending's not all Walters's fault. Far better would it have been if Bioware had simply never lied to people about having planned this trilogy ahead when clearly they didn't. "Putting rough stakes in the ground" isn't how you write a choice-based trilogy where decisions carry over. Not knowing what the Reapers are by the time you've published ME1 is downright stupid. Even stuff like Leviathan was thought up last minute, when you'd think that would be one of the foundations upon which the whole narrative structure was built.

Walters was supposed to turn a turd into a gemstone with only limited writing experience and moderate talent. I'm sure he could've done far better on any other project.

Modifié par Eain, 26 avril 2013 - 06:06 .

[Remix-General Aetius]

Chris Priestly wrote...

It was removed as people insulted Mac, which is against the rules. These people were banned.

lmao it would be insulting if they were doing it in his face. behind his back or at a great distance from him is just badmouthing. and hell, badmouthing happens all the time in these parts anyway. so what was so different about THIS one? that's a rhetorical question btw.

[spockjedi]

iakus wrote...

I've never said I hated his writing.  He's done great character writing from what I've seen.  What I object to is the rather dismissive assumptions he seemed to have about those who disliked the endings.

This. And if he keeps disrespecting the players with assumptions like that, we all know where this is going.

[Sejborg]

spockjedi wrote...

iakus wrote...

I've never said I hated his writing.  He's done great character writing from what I've seen.  What I object to is the rather dismissive assumptions he seemed to have about those who disliked the endings.

This. And if he keeps disrespecting the players with assumptions like that, we all know where this is going.

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it. 

Modifié par Sejborg, 26 avril 2013 - 06:58 .

[SyK18]

Chris Priestly wrote...

iakus wrote...

Yeah there was another thread about this.

Then it got "disappeared"

It was removed as people insulted Mac, which is against the rules. These people were banned. The thread can stay open, but if it devolves into insults, then people will be banned and it'll be closed.

And for Arial and others who don't believe this is real, it is true. Mac is working on ME4 like he says in the article.

If you dislike Mac's writing SOLELY because of the endings, I suggest you look for all the other writing he did in ME2 & 3 and reevaluate how much you "hate" his writing.

He did not write ME 1, that is for sure, because it was probably the best writing in the trilogy. The fact that the original writer, Drew Karpyshyn, is not wroking on any more ME titles is sad.  

Mac's writing in ME 2 was mainly squadmate focused and I really believe it is not so hard to write a backstory for some badass squadmates. There are still many people who believe that the whole Collector storyline was weak and had no place in the overall storyline that ME 1 started. 

Im not even going to start on ME3. Other than Tuchunka, it was all weak storytelling. 

Btw, an ending to a game can make or break a game.The fact that you have fans who care about this series so much to tell you that "u messed up" means alot. I played AC3 and i was a fan of the entrie series. I got to the ending, said "wth?!" and just stopped caring. Am i gonna buy AC4 or any future AC titles from them? No.

However, would i like to see great writing in ME4 and the MEU to change my mind and give Bioware another chance? Possibly. Only because i fell in love with the whole MEU in the first game, enjoyed the "Suicide run" in ME2, and loved the action packed mission that was Tuchunka in 3. 

But hey, who cares about me and the "vocal minority". Lets just focus on increasing revenue because there are so many others who have played the game, given no feedback and continue to fork over money in the new MP. Those are the real fans Bioware cares about. 

[spockjedi]

Sejborg wrote...

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it.

He's calling the people who disliked the ending a "very vocal minority". This is dismissive.

[Fixers0]

dreamgazer wrote...

We are talking about the same series that first authorized an asari-cloning, mind-controlling plant, Boobs Benezia, and the convenient Mako-launching conduit, right? 

Depends on your priorities, if you think the fact that the conduit can transport mako tanks, that doens't contradict any established lore or logic.

If you believe the 3d design of character is relevant to narrative quality then i'm afraid you're too far gone.

Modifié par Fixers0, 26 avril 2013 - 07:28 .

[Sejborg]

spockjedi wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it.

He's calling the people who disliked the ending a "very vocal minority". This is dismissive.

Not really dismissive. He acknowledges that a very vocal part of the fanbase don't like the ending. He acknowledges that the hate for the ending is definitely represented in the fanbase. However he himself don't hate the ending. He simply don't agree with the hate. How is it disrespectful to you that he feels differently about the endings? 



'Edited for weird spelling'

Modifié par Sejborg, 26 avril 2013 - 07:37 .

[dreamgazer]

Fixers0 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

We are talking about the same series that first authorized an asari-cloning, mind-controlling plant, Boobs Benezia, and the convenient Mako-launching conduit, right? 

Depends on your priorities, if you think the fact that the conduit can transport mako tanks, that doens't contradict any established lore or logic.

Actually, I was referring to how easily it played out.  Logistics and all, and yeah, it does touch on some very suspect logic.

If you believe the 3d design of character is relevant to narrative quality then i'm afraid you're too far gone.

Nah, that's just how I refer to her when people are on about over-sexualization in the ME sequels.  Her writing and boss battle aren't much better than Kai Leng's, though. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 26 avril 2013 - 07:42 .

[LinksOcarina]

Fandango9641 wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it.

He's calling the people who disliked the ending a "very vocal minority". This is dismissive.

It's delusional. 

It's likely true. 

[AresKeith]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it.

He's calling the people who disliked the ending a "very vocal minority". This is dismissive.

It's delusional. 

It's likely true. 

It's likely not true because there's no real way to determine that

[TheChris92]

Well this so-called 'minority' was apparently big enough to make an extended cut happen for the ending. Just sayin'

Modifié par TheChris92, 26 avril 2013 - 07:55 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it.

He's calling the people who disliked the ending a "very vocal minority". This is dismissive.

It's delusional. 

It's likely true. 

If it was true, it wouldn't have been making headlines and there wouldn't have been a massive influx of people returning their ME3 to gamestop. And if it really was a minority, that minority was part of bioware's most passionate fans which they seem to completely not give a damn about. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

It's likely not true because there's no real way to determine that

I wouldn't say it's likely not true. 

BW alone knows through their numbers, that they've refused to release.

All I know is that they're telling me it's a vocal minority. From a sheer perspective of the number of people who bought the game, yeah we are. The majority though never even finished the game. Of the people that did, I'd be willing to say that only a small number of us are dedicated fans who did more than one or two playthroughs and bought all the DLC. I will say that I believe the majority of the dedicated fans did reject the endings.

I personally disagree with Chris Priestly's assessment of Mac Walters work. Unless it was Casey Hudson who broke the mold. 

Somewhere down the line, a writer or group of writers who really should have known much better made a huge mistake with the ending concept and ending execution. Breaking the Socratic Method for narrative very, very, very exceptionally rarely works. As was the case with the ending, it failed miserably.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 26 avril 2013 - 07:59 .

[David7204]

Sounds pretty damn stupid to me for players to return their copies of a game because they're emotionally upset. The mere fact that you're emotionally upset should prove the issue isn't about money.

[Fixers0]

dreamgazer wrote...
Actually, I was referring to how easily it played out.  Logistics and all, and yeah, it does touch on some very suspect logic.

If you've got any reasons to believe that the functioning of the conduit regarding the mako is inconsistant with established facts or of questionable nature please present them here.

dreamgazer wrote...
Nah, that's just how I refer to her when people are on about over-sexualization in the ME sequels.  Her writing and boss battle aren't much better than Kai Leng's, though. 

I've never made such a claim in this topic, and boss battles haven't really got much to do with the narrative.

[AresKeith]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

It's likely not true because there's no real way to determine that

I wouldn't say it's likely not true. 

BW alone knows through their numbers, that they've refused to release.

All I know is that they're telling me it's a vocal minority. From a sheer perspective of the number of people who bought the game, yeah we are. The majority though never even finished the game. Of the people that did, I'd be willing to say that only a small number of us are dedicated fans who did more than one or two playthroughs and bought all the DLC. I will say that I believe the majority of the dedicated fans did reject the endings.

You also have to factor in people who doesn't like the ending but doesn't say anything about it

and people who doesn't really care at all (which doesn't mean they like the ending either)

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Fandango9641 wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

He isn't dismissing your opinions about the ending being bad. He just don't agree with it.

He's calling the people who disliked the ending a "very vocal minority". This is dismissive.

It's delusional. 

It's likely true. 

It's likely not true because there's no real way to determine that

It's likely that most people enjoyed the game, shrugged the ending off as a blah videogame conclusion and moved on, with some fringe supporters and vocal critics---essentially, like most other science-fiction / space opera franchises.

Have you guys ever read into the plot issues with the recent Star Trek reboot, the one that made buckets of money?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

AresKeith wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

It's likely not true because there's no real way to determine that

I wouldn't say it's likely not true. 

BW alone knows through their numbers, that they've refused to release.

All I know is that they're telling me it's a vocal minority. From a sheer perspective of the number of people who bought the game, yeah we are. The majority though never even finished the game. Of the people that did, I'd be willing to say that only a small number of us are dedicated fans who did more than one or two playthroughs and bought all the DLC. I will say that I believe the majority of the dedicated fans did reject the endings.

You also have to factor in people who doesn't like the ending but doesn't say anything about it

and people who doesn't really care at all (which doesn't mean they like the ending either)

Very true. But those people aren't really saying anything, so their voice never got heard. It's hard to factor in unknowns, one way or the other.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

It's likely that most people enjoyed the game, shrugged the ending off as a blah videogame conclusion and moved on, with some fringe supporters and vocal critics---essentially, like most other science-fiction / space opera franchises.

Have you guys ever read into the plot issues with the recent Star Trek reboot, the one that made buckets of money?

Yes I have. Among a lot of my Star Trek fans (the dedicated Trekkies) it's been almost entirely disowned. 

Yet it sells because it has marketable appeal to casual or non-fans. And I'm scared to death that this is what's going to happen with Star Wars VI.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

It's likely that most people enjoyed the game, shrugged the ending off as a blah videogame conclusion and moved on, with some fringe supporters and vocal critics---essentially, like most other science-fiction / space opera franchises.

Have you guys ever read into the plot issues with the recent Star Trek reboot, the one that made buckets of money?

That is true, quite a long amount of people enjoyed the game regardless of the ending, I personally enjoyed certain parts of the game

I never heard about the Star Trek plot issues