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[AlanC9]

David7204 wrote...

You're not going to convince me that a dreadnought can destroy every city on Earth in 10 minutes.

The Codex is lying?

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 avril 2013 - 02:31 .

[David7204]

Is the game lying? When the Reaper invasion is shown to take more than an hour to kill every planet and colony in the galaxy?

[AlanC9]

Because the goal isn't wrecking planets, it's harvesting.

I'm confused. Bombing from space is too slow, so the faster answer is ground invasion?

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 avril 2013 - 02:34 .

[David7204]

The Reapers aren't killing the populations. The husks are.The husks are the real weapon of mass destruction.

Modifié par David7204, 29 avril 2013 - 02:45 .

[Megaton_Hope]

At first I thought Morlath was implying that the Martian immune system problem was NOT a deus ex machina, and that was a head-scratcher. Then I saw the bit about engineering a disease and it made a little more sense.

In that vein, the Independence Day aliens' vulnerability to computer hacking is a Deus Ex Machina. They're a completely alien species, whose technology should be equally alien. (At least there's the expedient assumption that the scientsts at Area 51 were leaking alien tech, so Goldblum's Mac is a stripped-down version of the hardware and OS running that ship...) Their ships, down to the fighters, are basically invulnerable. So naturally what happens is we find a way to disable their technological advantage.

Will Smith's character being able to outfly one is somewhat implausible, but at least that one doesn't need any mental gymnastics to believe, just the rule of cool.

[Morlath]

AlanC9 wrote...

Morlath wrote...

The Martians dying because they catch a cold? DEM. The Crucible/Catalyst being brought in towards the end of ME3? DEM.

But the Crucible's introduced an hour into ME3, not at the end.

That's my point. Liara spends six months researching everything Prothean she can get her hands on in the hopes of finding something, anything, and what she finds is vague enough and given out early enough within the third act of the story (ME3) that it's allowed to progress and doesn't come as a shock at the end.

The Crucible would truly be a DEM if it was found half/mostly completed on a random world at somepoint in the game. An "oh look, a weapon that's already been built" compared to what we have which is a "a potential weapon that we have to try to build in time and still don't really know if it'll work."

Megaton_Hope wrote...

At first I thought Morlath was
implying that the Martian immune system problem was NOT a deus ex
machina, and that was a head-scratcher. Then I saw the bit about
engineering a disease and it made a little more sense.

In that
vein, the Independence Day aliens' vulnerability to computer hacking is a
Deus Ex Machina. They're a completely alien species, whose technology
should be equally alien. (At least there's the expedient assumption that
the scientsts at Area 51 were leaking alien tech, so Goldblum's Mac is a
stripped-down version of the hardware and OS running that ship...)
Their ships, down to the fighters, are basically invulnerable. So
naturally what happens is we find a way to disable their technological
advantage.

Will Smith's character being able to outfly one is
somewhat implausible, but at least that one doesn't need any mental
gymnastics to believe, just the rule of cool.

Right. It's not plausible that within the space of a few hours the scienties are able to merge alien and human computer code enough that Goldblum's character can make a computer virus, no matter how nerdy cool the concept is. The Crucible is a plausible concept (WMD protype that never got made due to running out of time).

[Megaton_Hope]

Liara had already been researching everything Prothean she could get her hands on, though. (That being the job she was embarked on by a few decades when we found her on Therum.) And her mom was a Matriarch, so it's not like she wouldn't have had access to any finds from Mars. And they'd been poking around on Mars for 30 years, with advanced technology that lets you find mineral deposits from space. Anything there to be found should have been found. And duplicated, and extensively picked apart.

[Morlath]

Liara had been spending all her time researching the Prothean extinction so anything not extinction related could, feasibly, have been put aside for her to look at "another day". Understanding another culture, especially a dead one, is not easy and often researchers can end up specialising in specific areas to make their lives easier. Of course that means the player has to do some thinking of their own:

- She admits in ME1 that the extinction is her speciality, even though everyone treats her as the Prothean know-it-all for all areas.

- It's entirely possible that a new dig site was only just found. Even today's archaeologists don't find everything the first time around and can end up finding new areas to dig years or even decades later.

[Wayning_Star]

Morlath wrote...

Liara had been spending all her time researching the Prothean extinction so anything not extinction related could, feasibly, have been put aside for her to look at "another day". Understanding another culture, especially a dead one, is not easy and often researchers can end up specialising in specific areas to make their lives easier. Of course that means the player has to do some thinking of their own:

- She admits in ME1 that the extinction is her speciality, even though everyone treats her as the Prothean know-it-all for all areas.

- It's entirely possible that a new dig site was only just found. Even today's archaeologists don't find everything the first time around and can end up finding new areas to dig years or even decades later.

the Asari government were hiding facts and history and tech from their culture, as revealed in/on Thessia. So Liara was duped by her own government and mother in that regard. Any pertinent info on the protheans was 'locked away' and Liara was muted, within her own culture.

[Morlath]

Wayning_Star wrote...

the Asari government were hiding facts and history and tech from their culture, as revealed in/on Thessia. So Liara was duped by her own government and mother in that regard. Any pertinent info on the protheans was 'locked away' and Liara was muted, within her own culture.

Which adds to the understanding of why the Crucible may have only just been found. This is my point.

It may be poorly executed but the situations around the find (hidden data, Liara doing the searching) does make sense if the player thinks these things through.

[George Costanza]

The Crucible isn't a deus ex machina. I can see why people would say that, and it does share some similarities with one, but it isn't one. That's not saying that it isn't cringe inducing as a plot device, because it is, and it's easily the silliest thing about ME3, but by definition it isn't a deus ex machina.

Modifié par George Costanza, 29 avril 2013 - 10:31 .

[Megaton_Hope]

Morlath wrote...

- It's entirely possible that a new dig site was only just found. Even today's archaeologists don't find everything the first time around and can end up finding new areas to dig years or even decades later.

Today's archaeologists can't do in-depth scans of the Earth's surface from space, like the Normandy does. Never mind traveling at will across the planet's surface, as Liara can clearly do, having been apparently alone on Therum.

Different specialties might explain Liara having little interest in the engineering, since she's ostensibly a social scientist of some description.  Wouldn't explain the data uncovered being stored exclusively in its original form, and on Mars. Should be as simple as attaching external storage and hitting the "copy" command. Doesn't need to be deciphered on-site first.