Even if millions would die, it would be worth it. Because it would be ultimate victory - worth any price.
A world without magic
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#52
Posté 26 avril 2013 - 09:32
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Unfortunately, magic has perverted Thedas to the point that magic is needed to stand against the perversion until technology can deal with it.
At the moment? No, not now.
Once the Darkspawn are destroyed? Mmmm, let me think about it.
At the moment? No, not now.
Once the Darkspawn are destroyed? Mmmm, let me think about it.
#53
Posté 26 avril 2013 - 10:16
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As a mage player - yes, I would destroy magic on Thedas.
That would presumably destroy the Darkspawn - set the Qunari back "technologically" - remove the threat of Demons and Abominations entirely - and most important, I'd get to sneer at every special snowflake mage rebel when I tell them they're getting what they want. Equality.
These primitive imbeciles can't even magic up a cloud of telepathic energy so that everyone can communicate through little magical devices they carry on them.
The problem with "secular" magic (real world occultism and some fantasy worlds like LoTR and Conan never have magic detached from "spirituality") is that it can never - ever - hold a candle to real world technology. You have powers that a few machines can reproduce - but none of the universal wisdom that makes spiritual mages 'wise-men/women'. It's just stupid people with fireballs.
The magic of Thedas is trite at best... a few pew pews here a stimpak there - and diabolic at worst (mind controlling - self-mutiliating - blood mage filth)
The magic in Thedas cripples the primitive masses - while putting too much power in the hands of ignorant reactionaries who never earn what they've been given.
It would be my privilige to save Thedas from stupid people with fireballs.
That would presumably destroy the Darkspawn - set the Qunari back "technologically" - remove the threat of Demons and Abominations entirely - and most important, I'd get to sneer at every special snowflake mage rebel when I tell them they're getting what they want. Equality.
These primitive imbeciles can't even magic up a cloud of telepathic energy so that everyone can communicate through little magical devices they carry on them.
The problem with "secular" magic (real world occultism and some fantasy worlds like LoTR and Conan never have magic detached from "spirituality") is that it can never - ever - hold a candle to real world technology. You have powers that a few machines can reproduce - but none of the universal wisdom that makes spiritual mages 'wise-men/women'. It's just stupid people with fireballs.
The magic of Thedas is trite at best... a few pew pews here a stimpak there - and diabolic at worst (mind controlling - self-mutiliating - blood mage filth)
The magic in Thedas cripples the primitive masses - while putting too much power in the hands of ignorant reactionaries who never earn what they've been given.
It would be my privilige to save Thedas from stupid people with fireballs.
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#54
Posté 26 avril 2013 - 11:28
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Nah I would not.
Would hamper peoples dreams methinks.
Would also lock out an interesting avenue for exploration.
There has to be something beyond the golden city turned black, or maybe a border somewhere in the lowest pits of the fade, I wonder what'd happen if I smash that border or if there even is one. Too many questions left unanswered if I just deny it.
Would hamper peoples dreams methinks.
Would also lock out an interesting avenue for exploration.
There has to be something beyond the golden city turned black, or maybe a border somewhere in the lowest pits of the fade, I wonder what'd happen if I smash that border or if there even is one. Too many questions left unanswered if I just deny it.
#56
Posté 27 avril 2013 - 02:01
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RedArmyShogun wrote...
It is really too bad I'm too apathetic right now to make a spin on part of your world to show how nice the mages not being around would be...maybe later.
You disappoint me, Qunari.
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#57
Posté 27 avril 2013 - 02:26
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I see this forum is filled with would be dictators. What gives anyone the right to make a life decision for others based solely on the way you think things should be? My answer is no. Just as in life as it is in art, you can only decide what's best for you. After that, it's not your place. Not only this but I doubt any mage would allow themselves to be neutralized based on what MIGHT happen.......the entire basis of the conflict. Fear. Fear of things that can't be controlled by those who don't have the power. The same people who want to control EVERYTHING...which I believe is what they really fear.
Ask yourself the same question only change the topic and insert other choices that should be left to the individual and see what your answer would be. Better still, how who you feel if someone took something from you simply because they could? Magic isn't man made in Thedas. I don't see how it would be removed by men.
Ask yourself the same question only change the topic and insert other choices that should be left to the individual and see what your answer would be. Better still, how who you feel if someone took something from you simply because they could? Magic isn't man made in Thedas. I don't see how it would be removed by men.
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#58
Posté 27 avril 2013 - 03:11
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Hell no. If there were a way to have more mages, I'd do that.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 04:30
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OdanUrr wrote...
Just for the sake of discussion, imagine you (aka, the Inquisitor) were offered the chance to rid the world of magic simply by blocking everyone's connection to the Fade. Imagine further that this could be done without the need for any sacrifice. Would you do it? Would you rid the world of magic? Why or why not?
PS: If this has been discussed before, let me know so I can ask a mod to close the thread.
Poll: Would you rid the world of magic?
No, I wouldn't. Getting rid of magic may put an end to the dangers it poses, but it would also eliminate all the good that magic can do, and that isn't worth it.
#62
Posté 27 avril 2013 - 04:38
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Next we should look into removing peoples hands. I mean, those things are dangerous, just builtd perfectly to strangle people. And how many people have died on screen thanks to those blasted knife and sword grabbers. They're nothing but tools of destruction that can't possibly contribute anything to society as a whole.
Get ride of all the things that occur naturally, it's the only way for safety in thedas.
On a more serious note though, I honestly can't imagine removing magic from the world of thedas could possibly come without any cost at all. I mean, magic comes from peoples dreams and the fade, to simply wipe it away from the face of the world like it were some film of dust on a surface seems like a monsterous act that would affect that connection between people and the fade. Additionally, I do not buy the notion that dwarves are not connected to the the fade. If this were the case, dwarves could not be sucked into the fade by demons using magic at all, since there would be no connection for them to be pulled through in the first place. Also, I doubt grey warden dwarves would be possible, if they could not connect to the fade and sense the darkspawns dreams and visions through it, or sense them at all.
It honestly does sound like removing a large chunck of peoples natural lives for the sake of security, and just crosses the line of what should and shouldn't be decided. It's like getting ride of metal working in order to get ride of weapons being made. Or taking away all cars in order to stop car accidents from occuring and promote non-terestrial based transportation. The trade off exist in my mind, and it's just too much for me to buy into.
Get ride of all the things that occur naturally, it's the only way for safety in thedas.
On a more serious note though, I honestly can't imagine removing magic from the world of thedas could possibly come without any cost at all. I mean, magic comes from peoples dreams and the fade, to simply wipe it away from the face of the world like it were some film of dust on a surface seems like a monsterous act that would affect that connection between people and the fade. Additionally, I do not buy the notion that dwarves are not connected to the the fade. If this were the case, dwarves could not be sucked into the fade by demons using magic at all, since there would be no connection for them to be pulled through in the first place. Also, I doubt grey warden dwarves would be possible, if they could not connect to the fade and sense the darkspawns dreams and visions through it, or sense them at all.
It honestly does sound like removing a large chunck of peoples natural lives for the sake of security, and just crosses the line of what should and shouldn't be decided. It's like getting ride of metal working in order to get ride of weapons being made. Or taking away all cars in order to stop car accidents from occuring and promote non-terestrial based transportation. The trade off exist in my mind, and it's just too much for me to buy into.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 04:44
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Yeah. The dwarves are okay without magic. Qunari don't use mages for much of anything and they're one of the most, if not the most, advanced civilization in Thedas.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 04:54
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Youth4Ever wrote...
Yeah. The dwarves are okay without magic. Qunari don't use mages for much of anything and they're one of the most, if not the most, advanced civilization in Thedas.
Yeah, the dwarves are doing fine, what with their losing almost all of their land, heritige, and people to darkspawn and their great deep roads infested with the creatures.
Qunari show a great conundrum that exist in politics and society, the balance of freedom for the individual and the good of the whole. Qunari have given up all personal freedom and individual rights, to the point where they do not even possess names, but titles that serve as their designation. Such a society, if many would live in it, would more than likely be considered a living hell, by most standards in measuring actual happiness or mental well being.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 04:59
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Darth Brotarian wrote...
Youth4Ever wrote...
Yeah. The dwarves are okay without magic. Qunari don't use mages for much of anything and they're one of the most, if not the most, advanced civilization in Thedas.
Yeah, the dwarves are doing fine, what with their losing almost all of their land, heritige, and people to darkspawn and their great deep roads infested with the creatures.
Qunari show a great conundrum that exist in politics and society, the balance of freedom for the individual and the good of the whole. Qunari have given up all personal freedom and individual rights, to the point where they do not even possess names, but titles that serve as their designation. Such a society, if many would live in it, would more than likely be considered a living hell, by most standards in measuring actual happiness or mental well being.
Curious how magic(or the lack thereof) is involved in/affects any of that.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 05:00
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Thank you.LPPrince wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
Youth4Ever wrote...
Yeah. The dwarves are okay without magic. Qunari don't use mages for much of anything and they're one of the most, if not the most, advanced civilization in Thedas.
Yeah, the dwarves are doing fine, what with their losing almost all of their land, heritige, and people to darkspawn and their great deep roads infested with the creatures.
Qunari show a great conundrum that exist in politics and society, the balance of freedom for the individual and the good of the whole. Qunari have given up all personal freedom and individual rights, to the point where they do not even possess names, but titles that serve as their designation. Such a society, if many would live in it, would more than likely be considered a living hell, by most standards in measuring actual happiness or mental well being.
Curious how magic(or the lack thereof) is involved in/affects any of that.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 05:32
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A world without magic is a world without friendship.LPPrince wrote...
Darth Brotarian wrote...
Youth4Ever wrote...
Yeah. The dwarves are okay without magic. Qunari don't use mages for much of anything and they're one of the most, if not the most, advanced civilization in Thedas.
Yeah, the dwarves are doing fine, what with their losing almost all of their land, heritige, and people to darkspawn and their great deep roads infested with the creatures.
Qunari show a great conundrum that exist in politics and society, the balance of freedom for the individual and the good of the whole. Qunari have given up all personal freedom and individual rights, to the point where they do not even possess names, but titles that serve as their designation. Such a society, if many would live in it, would more than likely be considered a living hell, by most standards in measuring actual happiness or mental well being.
Curious how magic(or the lack thereof) is involved in/affects any of that.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 06:41
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OdanUrr wrote...
Just for the sake of discussion, imagine you (aka, the Inquisitor) were offered the chance to rid the world of magic simply by blocking everyone's connection to the Fade. Imagine further that this could be done without the need for any sacrifice. Would you do it? Would you rid the world of magic? Why or why not?
PS: If this has been discussed before, let me know so I can ask a mod to close the thread.
Poll: Would you rid the world of magic?
Let me ask you this. How many physicians exist in Thedas? Not non mage hates mages you know. Mages are needed for healing.
#69
Posté 27 avril 2013 - 07:14
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okkoldoklyOdanUrr wrote...
Just for the sake of discussion, imagine you (aka, the Inquisitor) were offered the chance to rid the world of magic simply by blocking everyone's connection to the Fade.
hunkydorriImagine further that this could be done without the need for any sacrifice.
noWould you do it?
noWould you rid the world of magic?
Why or why not?
Depends entirely on what people or animals or anything do with magic, the motivations, the actions, and the resulting consequences.
OdanUrr seems like your asking a question in vacuum.
May as well ask would you rid the world of chlorophyll or water or the sun.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 12:25
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Homebound wrote...
A world without magic is a world without friendship.
Goddamn it Homebound, you just sealed the deal.
How on Earth could I get rid of magic when FRIENDSHIP IS MAGIC!?
*brohoof*
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 03:10
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Chaos Lord Malek wrote...
Even if millions would die, it would be worth it. Because it would be ultimate victory - worth any price.
Why?
#73
Posté 27 avril 2013 - 03:19
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No. Erasing such power from the world is a crime. Not to mention the game would be completely boring because of it. Besides magic is the core of DA whether you want it or not.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 03:26
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No. Stupid idea. A world without magic? You live in it. There is no need for another one in Thedas.
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Posté 27 avril 2013 - 03:53
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Let me play devil's advocate for both sides for a second here.
For:
How many lives have been ripped apart because of magic? How many families have lost their children to the Circle or lost loved ones to demons or simply to mages who abused their power? What would they say if you told them that you could rid the world of magic, that you could prevent their children from ever being taken away? And the Tevinter Imperium? Gone, no more magocracy through slavery, indeed, no more slavery since the Tevinter mages would have no power to enforce this condition. The Templars would now be unnecessary and the Chantry would lose some, if not a lot, of its former power. The Blight? Nothing more than a memory now, soon to pass into legend.
Against:
It's not that simple. A world without magic would cause an enormous power shift. Take Tevinter, for instance. Without magic, civil war is sure to follow as the slaves rebel against their masters. And the Qunari? Surely they will notice that their Saarebas no longer have magic and will probably send scout parties to check whether this is true of the mainland as well, with an invasion soon to follow. And what about every other realm that used magic to keep its neighbors at bay? Now every realm can only be defended by strength of arms and it's likely wars of conquest are not far behind. And what about plagues or diseases? While it will depend largely on the state of medicine in different parts of Thedas, many people who could have been saved before will surely die now. We could have plagues laying waste to dozens of villages and major cities if the state of medicine hasn't advanced enough. And what about the mages themselves? Well, now that they're powerless it's possible we'll see even more abuses from all sectors of society and, why not, some segregation as well. What will former mages do now when they've studied all their life for something that no longer exists? Can they be assimilated into society?
For:
How many lives have been ripped apart because of magic? How many families have lost their children to the Circle or lost loved ones to demons or simply to mages who abused their power? What would they say if you told them that you could rid the world of magic, that you could prevent their children from ever being taken away? And the Tevinter Imperium? Gone, no more magocracy through slavery, indeed, no more slavery since the Tevinter mages would have no power to enforce this condition. The Templars would now be unnecessary and the Chantry would lose some, if not a lot, of its former power. The Blight? Nothing more than a memory now, soon to pass into legend.
Against:
It's not that simple. A world without magic would cause an enormous power shift. Take Tevinter, for instance. Without magic, civil war is sure to follow as the slaves rebel against their masters. And the Qunari? Surely they will notice that their Saarebas no longer have magic and will probably send scout parties to check whether this is true of the mainland as well, with an invasion soon to follow. And what about every other realm that used magic to keep its neighbors at bay? Now every realm can only be defended by strength of arms and it's likely wars of conquest are not far behind. And what about plagues or diseases? While it will depend largely on the state of medicine in different parts of Thedas, many people who could have been saved before will surely die now. We could have plagues laying waste to dozens of villages and major cities if the state of medicine hasn't advanced enough. And what about the mages themselves? Well, now that they're powerless it's possible we'll see even more abuses from all sectors of society and, why not, some segregation as well. What will former mages do now when they've studied all their life for something that no longer exists? Can they be assimilated into society?
