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[Dave of Canada]

Sutamina wrote...

and without magic people will find ways to achieve the same thing

Except it's much more difficult and they're unable to do anything outside of their own skill and the circumstances.

[Uccio]

What you people are forgetting is that mages are the heavy artillery which keeps Qunari and Darkspawn in check. Without mages Qunari will steamroll Thedas and there is no indication that darkspawn would cease to exist without magic. + extremely booring world as a result. No need to play DA games after that.

[Sutamina]

Ukki have you checked OdanUrr's statements on page 3 ?
Also whose "you people" ? I just hope you will expand on what you are saying.

[Althix]

@ MisterJB
what is the connection between the destruction of reapers and the reluctance to kill all magic in the world?
i am sure did blow those bad boys out of my me universe, but i still think that kill all magics thing is wrong and short sighted.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

OdanUrr wrote...

Just for the sake of discussion, imagine you (aka, the Inquisitor) were offered the chance to rid the world of magic simply by blocking everyone's connection to the Fade. Imagine further that this could be done without the need for any sacrifice. Would you do it? Would you rid the world of magic? Why or why not?

PS: If this has been discussed before, let me know so I can ask a mod to close the thread.

Poll: Would you rid the world of magic?

Unnamed DA:I PC #1: In a heartbeat. Magic is evil and a burden on all those cursed to carry it. Even if there was a sacrifice I'd gladly see it paid.

Unnamed DA:I PC #2: No, never. As soon as ask me if I'd give up my sense of hearing, or taste. Magic is a part of the mage. You say there would be no sacrifice? You're wrong.

Unnamed DA:I PC #3: If no one will be made Tranquil, there's no blood sacrifices or demon deals or making morally ambiguous babies with swamp witches, sure, absolutely! No one gets hurt and we nip this stupid mage/templar thing in the bud for good. Now, who wants to play Monopoly? I get to be the mabari.

Unnamed DA:I PC #4: Last year I almost died. I was bleeding so heavily you'd wonder how the human body could contain so much blood and still have any left to spare. Magic was the only thing that could save my life, and it did. So, no. Sorry.

Unnamed DA:I PC #5: Are you kidding? I can heat my own bathwater with my bare hands, wave objects across the room, and do this little telekinetic vibration thing during sex. Not giving any of that up for anybody.

Unnamed DA:I PC #6: Practically speaking, it would be a mistake. Magic is dangerous, but highly useful. We must simply regulate it and those who use it more efficiently. 

Unnamed DA:I PC #7: It would be a good start, but it wouldn't cure those already infected by the touch of demons. Sacrifice is necessary. Killing them is the only way to be sure.

Unnamed DA:I PC #8: Sure, why not? Means I'll get to stop listening to all that tiresome drivel about 'Magic is to serve man...' blah blah blah...

Unnamed DA:I PC #9: Blocking everyone's connection to the Fade? But...what happens when we die? How can our souls ascend to the Maker's side if they can't pass the Veil? Nnnno...I don't like this idea.

Unnamed DA:I PC #10: Hahah...like that'll last long. If they can figure out a way to reverse Tranquility, they'll figure out a way to bring the magic back. Good luck with that, though!

Taking suggestions on which one to RP first, if she ends up buying the game.

[Swagger7]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Swagger7 wrote...

No, but I would use threats of ending magic to squeeze some concessions out of the Tevinter Imperium, like ending slavery for instance.

How would you threaten the Tevinter Imperium with that? Are you going to be like "Hey Tevinters you better cut out that slavery crap or I'm gonna take away your magicks!"

Tevinter Magister: "Pssh! Yeah sure, whatever you say clown."

Well, if there were a way to do such, I'm pretty sure you could let enough details slip to let the Tevinters know it's legit.  And if all else fails actually do it.

[Fallstar]

No. If you did that, you'd be destroying the world.

Blood magic is required to create Grey Wardens. If you remove magic from the world, there is absolutely nothing anyone can do when the next Archdemon is woken up. Even the most devout fanatics can hopefully see that the complete removal of magic inescapably leads to the world being covered by the Blight.

Modifié par DuskWarden, 29 avril 2013 - 10:13 .

[Cainhurst Crow]

So whats going to happen to lyrium? Is it all going to tutn to dust or something?

[OdanUrr]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So whats going to happen to lyrium? Is it all going to tutn to dust or something?

I suppose it would no longer have any magical properties.

[Plaintiff]

Sutamina wrote...

Lady Mortho wrote...

"Magic holds all the secrets of the universe. It is the power of Gods. With it you can control the very mysteries of life; bend all lessermens to your will, take their worship and absolute obedience as your divine right!"

and without magic people will find ways to achieve the same thing

Like what?

[Cainhurst Crow]

OdanUrr wrote...

Darth Brotarian wrote...

So whats going to happen to lyrium? Is it all going to tutn to dust or something?

I suppose it would no longer have any magical properties.

So it would turn into useless rocks, maybe good for jewerly.

Well, there goes the dwarven economy, and I hope people like a bunch of templars going through massive withdrawl syndrome without any means to lessoning that process.

Things will be very ugly after this decision.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Plaintiff wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

Lady Mortho wrote...

"Magic holds all the secrets of the universe. It is the power of Gods. With it you can control the very mysteries of life; bend all lessermens to your will, take their worship and absolute obedience as your divine right!"

and without magic people will find ways to achieve the same thing

Like what?

More importantly, why do they need to achieve things differently that how they do now? What is so important about them doing things without magic?

[MisterJB]

Darth Brotarian wrote...
More importantly, why do they need to achieve things differently that how they do now? What is so important about them doing things without magic?

Because magic is available only to a privileged few to whom the ability is granted randomly at birth.
If that doesn't sound like a recipe for disaster to you you just have to take a look to what magic has done to Thedas.

Modifié par MisterJB, 29 avril 2013 - 06:02 .

[OdanUrr]

Darth Brotarian wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

Lady Mortho wrote...

"Magic holds all the secrets of the universe. It is the power of Gods. With it you can control the very mysteries of life; bend all lessermens to your will, take their worship and absolute obedience as your divine right!"

and without magic people will find ways to achieve the same thing

Like what?

More importantly, why do they need to achieve things differently that how they do now? What is so important about them doing things without magic?

Well, magic won't always be there to save the day.

[Uccio]

Sutamina wrote...

Ukki have you checked OdanUrr's statements on page 3 ?
Also whose "you people" ? I just hope you will expand on what you are saying.

I did now. don't see how it affects my point though. I reacall DA wiki said about the same thing with Qunari.

As for 'you people' I was referring to those who are advocating no magic option.

[Cainhurst Crow]

@JB

But there still be an elite who are better than others due to their birth. They aree the rich and wealthy, the ines with enough resources and luxury to afford an education and training outside of working a forge or being a farmer.

[Cainhurst Crow]

@JB

Furthermore, mages are already forbidden from holding any poweraslready outside of the circle. When a noble is born a mage, they are stripped of status and claim to inheratince, abd sent to live the rest of their lives under secure conditions. If anything, magic today is a means of making someone unelite, since the nobles still hold all power along side the chantry and mages are forbidden from participating in either, say for the tevinter imperium, which is already reviled throughout thedas.

[Sutamina]

because without magic group one would still be trying to enslave group two
without magic group one would still be trying to make group two worship and have absolute obedience to group one's divine right.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Sorry for my grammer, im using my phone to post.

[OdanUrr]

Sutamina wrote...

because without magic group one would still be trying to enslave group two
without magic group one would still be trying to make group two worship and have absolute obedience to group one's divine right.

Who's group one and group two here?

[Dave of Canada]

Sutamina wrote...

because without magic group one would still be trying to enslave group two
without magic group one would still be trying to make group two worship and have absolute obedience to group one's divine right.

Can someone rephrase / translate this for me?

[thats1evildude]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

because without magic group one would still be trying to enslave group two
without magic group one would still be trying to make group two worship and have absolute obedience to group one's divine right.

Can someone rephrase / translate this for me?

Group 1=Chantry, Group 2=Mages.

Translation: Chantry's bad, yo.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 01 mai 2013 - 12:37 .

[OdanUrr]

thats1evildude wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Sutamina wrote...

because without magic group one would still be trying to enslave group two
without magic group one would still be trying to make group two worship and have absolute obedience to group one's divine right.

Can someone rephrase / translate this for me?

Group 1=Chantry, Group 2=Mages.

Translation: Chantry's bad, yo.

That doesn't make sense. If they're no longer mages, there's no reason to enslave them.