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[Seboist]

JamieCOTC wrote...

Shepard is Mass Effect for me and the auto-dialogue of ME3 come close to ruining the character, not to mention character imports. For those who love cinematic action games like Uncharted, Dead Space and The Witcher, I can see where those issues wouldn't be a problem and that's understandable. Yes, Shepard is more dynamic in ME3, but it came at a very high cost, a loss of control.

I like all the characters to one degree or another, even Jacob. but it was Shepard, my Shepard, that made me stay and play the game.

lolwut? Witcher players can choose various sentiments and views for their Geralt unlike that brick Shepard whose sole motivation is "rah rah smash reapaz". There's even a quest spanning most of TW1 that's dedicated to it called "identity".

[Argolas]

Yestare7 wrote...

(personally I was OK with EC destroy, followed by Citadel party)

Really? The unexplained utter nonsonse that was supposed to resolve the Reaper War would not disturb you? You know, the theme that was forshadowed for 2 games and the main plotpoint of 3, the theme that was "resolved" in a less than three minutes cutscene with no word at all about how all that stuff worked?

MEHEM makes it better- but not only because Shepard is present in the memorial scene. Knowing that Shepard survived and seeing the LI not believing in his or her death can work just as well, that is enough to be certain about the reunion. MEHEM makes it better because the Crucible can only do what it was forshadowed to do- a anti-reaper weapon that exploits the relay network to target all reapers in the galaxy, not some magical device that has 2 other random functions as well, among them to completely ridiculous Synthesis.

[Yestare7]

johnj1979 wrote...

Is Shepard dead or not why can't anyone at Bioware answer such a simple question?

You are the role-player, you decide. please don't wait for word out of Canada, cuz it will not come. 

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

you make me sick

[-TC1989-]

I'll admit, I got pretty attached to Shepard by the end of the trilogy. Even though I could have personally done 10 ME games with my Shepard, I would feel like being Shepard outside the trilogy would be a discredit to his/her character, and the story. It'll be different to say the least, playing Mass Effect and not being Shep, but I think I'll get over it. I don't think there's any chance the supporting cast will touch this trilogy, but I'm open to being proven wrong.

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...

(personally I was OK with EC destroy, followed by Citadel party)

Really? The unexplained utter nonsonse that was supposed to resolve the Reaper War would not disturb you? You know, the theme that was forshadowed for 2 games and the main plotpoint of 3, the theme that was "resolved" in a less than three minutes cutscene with no word at all about how all that stuff worked?

MEHEM makes it better- but not only because Shepard is present in the memorial scene. Knowing that Shepard survived and seeing the LI not believing in his or her death can work just as well, that is enough to be certain about the reunion. MEHEM makes it better because the Crucible can only do what it was forshadowed to do- a anti-reaper weapon that exploits the relay network to target all reapers in the galaxy, not some magical device that has 2 other random functions as well, among them to completely ridiculous Synthesis.

the only problem I have with MEHEM, or one most annoying problem is that it's transient, or transcendent from the base story, to fit meta game virtues. Don't "like" the story, change it to suit and call that one 'the canon ending scenes'.

Leaves other fans in the dust as well as the original writers intent..(what ever that is/was?)

I'm thinking that realists(or purists) should probably leave the sci fi / speculative fiction to fictional characters..lol

[Argolas]

Seboist wrote...

lolwut? Witcher players can choose various sentiments and views for their Geralt unlike that brick Shepard whose sole motivation is "rah rah smash reapaz". There's even a quest spanning most of TW1 that's dedicated to it called "identity".

No, you misunderstand the Shepard character. It's not a brick, it's neutral. A roleplaying character as opposed to a fully written character. In almost all scenes, Shepard remains rather neutral about what he/she feels or thinks. What we see in all scenes except the very few private moments in the game is the "professional self" of Shepard. Shepard's "private self" in what he/she believes and feels is either left out altogether or just scratched briefly so it won't hurt your interpretation of the character and thus your roleplaying.

Examples: In ME1, you have one of the few chances to define a belief of your Shepard: Ashley tells you that she is religious and you can decide whether your Shepard is or not- but only that. You can't choose in what god your Shepard believes and why because that is beyond what the writers could anticipate, even if it made Shepard less "brick"- it's up to you. Another one: You can choose a LI for your Shepard if you want, but your LI never asks the question "What do you love in me?". That would make Shepard less brick, but it would hurt the roleplaying because the writer's can't possibly anticipate all reasons your Shepard could have to love a that person.

Obviously, if something that important is left to your imagination, it invites fanfic and that is a perfect means to show my point. In fanfics, Shepard often says things like: "I believe...", "I love how you..." or "When all of this is over, I/we will...". All of this could never have existed if the game had dealt with it already. And now look at all this fanfic and ask yourself: Even though this Shepard might have done and said the exact same like mine, is it "mine"? Probably not, since your imagination created something unique. Because Shepard is not a brick, he/she is incomplete. And it is up to you to complete him/her.

Modifié par Argolas, 26 avril 2013 - 09:18 .

[Wayning_Star]

I admit that the build up and apparent let down of the 'shep dies/lives' computer routine was a bit of a bitter pill for many. I wasn't surprised myself by it all tho, for some weird reason, kind of expected a whopper in the end. Taking away personal power is a naughty move...

[Wayning_Star]

Argolas wrote...

Seboist wrote...

lolwut? Witcher players can choose various sentiments and views for their Geralt unlike that brick Shepard whose sole motivation is "rah rah smash reapaz". There's even a quest spanning most of TW1 that's dedicated to it called "identity".

No, you misunderstand the Shepard character. It's not a brick, it's neutral. A roleplaying character as opposed to a fully written character. In almost all scenes, Shepard remains rather neutral about what he/she feels or thinks. What we see in all scenes except the very few private moments in the game is the "professional self" of Shepard. Shepard's "private self" in what he/she believes and feels is either left out altogether or just scratched briefly so it won't hurt your interpretation of the character and thus your roleplaying.

Examples: In ME1, you have one of the few chances to define a belief of your Shepard: Ashley tells you that she is religious and you can decide whether your Shepard is or not- but only that. You can't choose in what god your Shepard believes and why because that is beyond what the writers could anticipate, even if it made Shepard less "brick"- it's up to you. Another one: You can choose a LI for your Shepard if you want, but your LI never asks the question "What do you love in me?". That would make Shepard less brick, but it would hurt the roleplaying because the writer's can't possibly anticipate all reasons your Shepard could have to love a that person.

Obviously, if something that important is left to your imagination, it invites fanfic and that is a perfect means to show my point. In fanfics, Shepard often says things like: "I believe...", "I love how you" or "When all of this is over, I/we will...". All of this could never have existed if the game had dealt with it already. And now look at all this fanfic and ask yourself: Even though this Shepard might have done and said the exact same like mine, is it "mine"? Probably not, since your imagination created something unique. Because Shepard is not a brick, he/she is incomplete. And it is up to you to complete him/her.

friggen irony.. All Quiet on the Western Front

[Iakus]

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

the only problem I have with MEHEM, or one most annoying problem is that it's transient, or transcendent from the base story, to fit meta game virtues. Don't "like" the story, change it to suit and call that one 'the canon ending scenes'.[/quote]

Leaves other fans in the dust as well as the original writers intent..(what ever that is/was?) [/quote]

Pretty sure the original intent was to entertain an audience.  Given the insisstence that there's no set canon, they should be quite happy with modders allowing this option.  Especially if it means more dlc (and even PC copies of the game) get sold.

[Wayning_Star]

[quote]iakus wrote...

[quote]Wayning_Star wrote...

the only problem I have with MEHEM, or one most annoying problem is that it's transient, or transcendent from the base story, to fit meta game virtues. Don't "like" the story, change it to suit and call that one 'the canon ending scenes'.[/quote]

Leaves other fans in the dust as well as the original writers intent..(what ever that is/was?) [/quote]

Pretty sure the original intent was to entertain an audience.  Given the insisstence that there's no set canon, they should be quite happy with modders allowing this option.  Especially if it means more dlc (and even PC copies of the game) get sold.

[/quote]

well, I guess I was inferring the 'artistic' meaning, but that bottom line still exists..

(hold the line!! lol)

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

tickle267 wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

you make me sick

WOW THANKS!

[ConanTheLeader]

There was no sacrifice for me, I lived. EDI and the Geth were sacrificed but in a galaxy wide war, to lose only the robots is coming out pretty damn good.

[AlanC9]

sveners wrote...


Did you read the link?

I read it. It's a mess.

It looks to me like the author was confused about the series the whole time and suddenly figured out it never was what she thought it was, except that ME1 gets a pass for some reason. She's bothered by autodialogue, except when she isn't. But I don't have the heart to dismantle the piece, because there's a good article buried somewhere in there.

[AlanC9]

Seboist wrote...

lolwut? Witcher players can choose various sentiments and views for their Geralt unlike that brick Shepard whose sole motivation is "rah rah smash reapaz". There's even a quest spanning most of TW1 that's dedicated to it called "identity".

This is a joke, right? TW1 has even fewer dialogue choices than ME3, and more autodiaolgue. (Don't know about TW2, since this vidcard would explode if I booted that up.)

[Display Name Owner]

I've never really felt this way about Shepard, tbh. I suppose I can see where you're coming from - if, I dunno... they killed off Dante from Devil May Cry and replaced him with that godawful Nero, I'd probably give up on the series.

But I don't feel like Shepard's character is even that pivotal to the ME series. Maybe it's because Shepard's character isn't fully defined (by design obviously). Eh, I just feel like there's so much more to the MEverse than just Shepard and I'm actually quite eager to explore the galaxy through a fresh set of eyes. I do like Shepard and all, but s/he's not really such a unique or engrossing character, not even when compared to many others encountered in the trilogy.

[Bizinha]

isnudo wrote...

I've never really felt this way about Shepard, tbh. I suppose I can see where you're coming from - if, I dunno... they killed off Dante from Devil May Cry and replaced him with that godawful Nero, I'd probably give up on the series.

But I don't feel like Shepard's character is even that pivotal to the ME series. Maybe it's because Shepard's character isn't fully defined (by design obviously). Eh, I just feel like there's so much more to the MEverse than just Shepard and I'm actually quite eager to explore the galaxy through a fresh set of eyes. I do like Shepard and all, but s/he's not really such a unique or engrossing character, not even when compared to many others encountered in the trilogy.

Many people think in this way.
I belive, with or without shepard, the next mass will sell well.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Bizinha wrote...

isnudo wrote...

I've never really felt this way about Shepard, tbh. I suppose I can see where you're coming from - if, I dunno... they killed off Dante from Devil May Cry and replaced him with that godawful Nero, I'd probably give up on the series.

But I don't feel like Shepard's character is even that pivotal to the ME series. Maybe it's because Shepard's character isn't fully defined (by design obviously). Eh, I just feel like there's so much more to the MEverse than just Shepard and I'm actually quite eager to explore the galaxy through a fresh set of eyes. I do like Shepard and all, but s/he's not really such a unique or engrossing character, not even when compared to many others encountered in the trilogy.

Many people think in this way.
I belive, with or without shepard, the next mass will sell well.

but how well? 2 million copies? 1.5m copies?We'll see

Modifié par IntelligentME3Fanboy, 26 avril 2013 - 10:13 .

[Seival]

OP,



Not all stories has to be happy.
The main value of a story is idea behind that story.
Learn to find comfort and happiness through understanding.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

Seival wrote...

OP,



Not all stories has to be happy.
The main value of a story is idea behind that story.
Learn to find comfort and happiness through understanding.

[MegaSovereign]

Seival wrote...

OP,



Not all stories has to be happy.
The main value of a story is idea behind that story.
Learn to find comfort and happiness through understanding.

That creepy picture does not help your argument or your cause.