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[Bizinha]

Seival wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

To call the next game Mass Effect 4 or ME4 is doing it a disservice and seems to cause a lot of confusion here. We have already said that the Commander Shepard trilogy is over and that the next game will not feature him/her. That is the only detail you have on the game. I see people saying "well, they'll have to pick a canon ending". No, because the game does not have to come after. Or before. Or off to the side. Or with characters you know. Or yaddayaddayadda. Wherever, whenever, whoever, etc will all be revealed years down the road when we actually start talking about it.

I do not call the game ME4 when I talk about it ever, bucause that makes people think of it more as "what happens after Mass Effect 3" rather than "what game happens next set in the Mass Effect Universe", which is far more accurate at this point. Obviously fans are going to speculate content, character and story until we actually reveal details in the years or months to come as you have almost no actual details, just don't get bogged down in "well how are they going to continue ME3...".

Had not seen that quote. It is ... Mass Effect definitely over for me.

ps ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 ME4 hahhahahaha

[Grammaton Dryad]

sveners wrote...

More than a year after ME3's release, and I'm still disappointed. I've had many theories on why, mostly when I'm left with my own thoughts, and I've not really found a satsifying explanation. The endings making sense, thematic shift, deus ex machina, plot holes, etc. 

Not until I read this piece ; www.gametourists.com/2012/06/when-you-lost-commander-shepard-you.html

We came and we stayed for Shepard.

Probably the best line to describe my Mass Effect experience.

Also;

"The devs kept saying at the end of the trilogy that Mass Effect is a 'story of sacrifice.' And I keep thinking, 'That's funny. I thought this was a story about Shepard.' Because if Shepard wanted to make a sacrifice, fine, she would. And that would be her story. But you can't make sacrifice a theme without allowing people to opt into it."


I imagine this is part of the reason so many long time fans are upset. For the people who started with ME2, it's less relevant. For those who jumped straight into ME3, I guess it's just hogwash.

I wish I could enjoy Destroy, if only for the implication that Shepard will survive.


What do you think?


Did you come, and stay, for Shepard?

came here to talk trash on OP, found myself uncertain.

I am invested in shepard, yet I also feel like shepard isn't truly an embodiment of myself; shepard is shepard and I "shape" him/her, but only on a mild/surface level. Thus my attachment hasn't been as deep as for others.

Mass effect was always about the universe, the diversity, politics, and mystery of exploration. Shepard just happened to be the perspective we would explore through. I, always felt that Shepard's story was about sacrifice, which like the OP said, ruins the destroy ending for me.

Shepard had to die at the end of ME3 for me, because of my affection for the character.

No moar Shepard? Awesome! Maybe we'll finally have a true embodiment of the player....but doubtful; we'll likely get to make slight variations on a pre-destined character.

[Seival]

MassivelyEffective0730, do not delude yourself.

BioWare officially stated a lot of times that Shepard's story is over. You better deal with it.

And I like ME3 writers' work. They did great job.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730, do not delude yourself.

BioWare officially stated a lot of times that Shepard's story is over. You better deal with it.

And I like ME3 writers' work. They did great job.

ahahaha

[ShaggyWolf]

As much as I love Shepard, imo, the best thing they could do for a new Mass Effect game is move as far away from Shepard's story as possible.

Place it in a time setting so far removed that anything that could happen in the first 3 games doesn't even have an impact, and refocus on what's important: a story of a large variety of different alien species trying to live together in the same galaxy.

Bioware created a new protagonist and a cast of vivid loveable characters that got me attatched to the trilogy in the first place. They can do it again.

As I said, I like Shepard. But that story is told. I want to be a Turian now

[christrek1982]

Argolas wrote...

Seboist wrote...

lolwut? Witcher players can choose various sentiments and views for their Geralt unlike that brick Shepard whose sole motivation is "rah rah smash reapaz". There's even a quest spanning most of TW1 that's dedicated to it called "identity".

No, you misunderstand the Shepard character. It's not a brick, it's neutral. A roleplaying character as opposed to a fully written character. In almost all scenes, Shepard remains rather neutral about what he/she feels or thinks. What we see in all scenes except the very few private moments in the game is the "professional self" of Shepard. Shepard's "private self" in what he/she believes and feels is either left out altogether or just scratched briefly so it won't hurt your interpretation of the character and thus your roleplaying.

Examples: In ME1, you have one of the few chances to define a belief of your Shepard: Ashley tells you that she is religious and you can decide whether your Shepard is or not- but only that. You can't choose in what god your Shepard believes and why because that is beyond what the writers could anticipate, even if it made Shepard less "brick"- it's up to you. Another one: You can choose a LI for your Shepard if you want, but your LI never asks the question "What do you love in me?". That would make Shepard less brick, but it would hurt the roleplaying because the writer's can't possibly anticipate all reasons your Shepard could have to love a that person.

Obviously, if something that important is left to your imagination, it invites fanfic and that is a perfect means to show my point. In fanfics, Shepard often says things like: "I believe...", "I love how you..." or "When all of this is over, I/we will...". All of this could never have existed if the game had dealt with it already. And now look at all this fanfic and ask yourself: Even though this Shepard might have done and said the exact same like mine, is it "mine"? Probably not, since your imagination created something unique. Because Shepard is not a brick, he/she is incomplete. And it is up to you to complete him/her.

very well said:O

[themikefest]

Elizabeth Nancy Shepard isn't lost. She is in Vancouver having drinks with Samantha. I enjoyed her character being a ruthless b*t*h. In ME3 it seemed like she drank a can of "forced feelings". She righted herself by killing the reapers.

[AresKeith]

themikefest wrote...

Elizabeth Nancy Shepard isn't lost. She is in Vancouver having drinks with Samantha. I enjoyed her character being a ruthless b*t*h. In ME3 it seemed like she drank a can of "forced feelings". She righted herself by killing the reapers.

And hot tubbing with Sam

[Bizinha]

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730, do not delude yourself.

BioWare officially stated a lot of times that Shepard's story is over. You better deal with it.

And I like ME3 writers' work. They did great job.

But they could tell another story of Shepard, is not it? Kind 10 years forward. 

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Seival wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730, do not delude yourself.

BioWare officially stated a lot of times that Shepard's story is over. You better deal with it.

And I like ME3 writers' work. They did great job.

Being told by you to not delude myself is like being told by the ancient alien guy to not be ridiculous.



What if Seival IS the ancient alien guy? 

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 27 avril 2013 - 02:17 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Seival wrote...



And I like ME3 writers' work. They did great job.

Heh heh heh...

Oh wait you're serious let me laugh harder.

AHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAA!

[spirosz]

christrek1982 wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Seboist wrote...

lolwut? Witcher players can choose various sentiments and views for their Geralt unlike that brick Shepard whose sole motivation is "rah rah smash reapaz". There's even a quest spanning most of TW1 that's dedicated to it called "identity".

No, you misunderstand the Shepard character. It's not a brick, it's neutral. A roleplaying character as opposed to a fully written character. In almost all scenes, Shepard remains rather neutral about what he/she feels or thinks. What we see in all scenes except the very few private moments in the game is the "professional self" of Shepard. Shepard's "private self" in what he/she believes and feels is either left out altogether or just scratched briefly so it won't hurt your interpretation of the character and thus your roleplaying.

Examples: In ME1, you have one of the few chances to define a belief of your Shepard: Ashley tells you that she is religious and you can decide whether your Shepard is or not- but only that. You can't choose in what god your Shepard believes and why because that is beyond what the writers could anticipate, even if it made Shepard less "brick"- it's up to you. Another one: You can choose a LI for your Shepard if you want, but your LI never asks the question "What do you love in me?". That would make Shepard less brick, but it would hurt the roleplaying because the writer's can't possibly anticipate all reasons your Shepard could have to love a that person.

Obviously, if something that important is left to your imagination, it invites fanfic and that is a perfect means to show my point. In fanfics, Shepard often says things like: "I believe...", "I love how you..." or "When all of this is over, I/we will...". All of this could never have existed if the game had dealt with it already. And now look at all this fanfic and ask yourself: Even though this Shepard might have done and said the exact same like mine, is it "mine"? Probably not, since your imagination created something unique. Because Shepard is not a brick, he/she is incomplete. And it is up to you to complete him/her.

very well said:O

Word.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Without Shepard and company, there's nothing about ME4 that interests me.

You said in another thread that you're a Trekkie. You don't think that you'd be into a "Next Generation"-style sequel?

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Without Shepard and company, there's nothing about ME4 that interests me.

You said in another thread that you're a Trekkie. You don't think that you'd be into a "Next Generation"-style sequel?

Do you think the current Bioware could pull that off?

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Without Shepard and company, there's nothing about ME4 that interests me.

You said in another thread that you're a Trekkie. You don't think that you'd be into a "Next Generation"-style sequel?

Do you think the current Bioware could pull that off?

I have no idea. Let's assume for the sake of argument that yes, they can, and they're going to incorporate fan feedback going forward.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Without Shepard and company, there's nothing about ME4 that interests me.

You said in another thread that you're a Trekkie. You don't think that you'd be into a "Next Generation"-style sequel?

I'm not a Trekkie - I mentioned that I had friends who hated what the J.J. Abrams film did to the franchise. But I see where you're going. 

I'd be more receptive to the prospects of ME4 if ME3 had better closure for Shepard. Show him surviving definitively post-destroy. That's a small part of a whole ending idea, but they really should have been more assured with Shepard's survival fate.

And I'm not interested in a prequel or side-story. It'd be virtually meaningless in the context of the universe. I still feel as if we got stiffed on the consequences of the series thus far.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 27 avril 2013 - 02:30 .

[Eterna]

You're not "lost" if you're still choosing to rot on these forums.

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

Without Shepard and company, there's nothing about ME4 that interests me.

You said in another thread that you're a Trekkie. You don't think that you'd be into a "Next Generation"-style sequel?

Do you think the current Bioware could pull that off?

I have no idea. Let's assume for the sake of argument that yes, they can, and they're going to incorporate fan feedback going forward.

Tbh If they pull it off, I might consider getting it after reviews and price drop

[AresKeith]

Eterna5 wrote...

You're not "lost" if you're still choosing to rot on these forums.

can you try and not sound like an ass?

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eterna5 wrote...

You're not "lost" if you're still choosing to rot on these forums.

ad hominems don't make an argument.

[dreamgazer]

Eterna5 wrote...

You're not "lost" if you're still choosing to rot on these forums.

You're not "found", either. 

[Cutlass Jack]

dreamgazer wrote...

You're not "found", either. 

Pfft. I found him and I wasn't even looking for him.

Back on topic, no. Bioware let us know before ME2 came out that ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story. It was never a secret. I never had any illusion or expectation that his story would continue past that point. And I'm fine with it. He did what he needed to do.

And even if he lived, I don't think my Shep's story would be that interesting for most people. Unless you really want to play 'Rannochfire' where you build a house with Tali.

[AresKeith]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You're not "found", either. 

Pfft. I found him and I wasn't even looking for him.

Back on topic, no. Bioware let us know before ME2 came out that ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story. It was never a secret. I never had any illusion or expectation that his story would continue past that point. And I'm fine with it. He did what he needed to do.

And even if he lived, I don't think my Shep's story would be that interesting for most people. Unless you really want to play 'Rannochfire' where you build a house with Tali.

Mass Effect 3: Hearthfire DLC

Do want

No wait, Anderson's Apartment nevermind

Modifié par AresKeith, 27 avril 2013 - 03:07 .

[DOsquareZER]

Eterna5 wrote...

You're not "lost" if you're still choosing to rot on these forums.

Im not rotting, im fermenting!  Im going for a good stout type flavor.  Bitter with hints of coffee, with just the right measurment of cynicism, with absolutely 0% sickeningly sweet organic hope added.