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[NeonFlux117]

I came because Mass Effect entertained me. It was unlike any other game I've every played. ME2 is so amazing. Words cannot describe. Even ME3, with it's numerous mistakes, is still a great game. I came cause Mass Effect is amazing. I stayed because it is, by far, the greatest single player trilogy I've ever played.

As for shepard??? I got attached I guess. But like many here I've have played with multiple (9) shepards. So for me it was the universe and my squad mates, espeically Garrus, Tali, Miri, Mordin and Grunt. The universe is so creative and the squad mates and characters are so cool. I'll never forget it. It was........... The Best.

[Ticonderoga117]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

You're not "found", either. 

Pfft. I found him and I wasn't even looking for him.

Back on topic, no. Bioware let us know before ME2 came out that ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story. It was never a secret. I never had any illusion or expectation that his story would continue past that point. And I'm fine with it. He did what he needed to do.

And even if he lived, I don't think my Shep's story would be that interesting for most people. Unless you really want to play 'Rannochfire' where you build a house with Tali.

Likewise. I'm perfectly fine with Shepard not being my character after this game. It's just his send off was... severly lacking in my opinion thanks to a lot of things.

Though I would play the hell out of "Rannochfire". Hell, a simple scene of that at the end of the game for if your LI was Tali would've made me much happier instead of "Lol, you're under rubble and we're going to tease you with life".

[dreamgazer]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

And even if he lived, I don't think my Shep's story would be that interesting for most people.

I actually agree with this.  I'm not one much for extensive headcanon, so beyond getting yanked from the rubble there's not a lot fleshed out in my canon conclusion. There's an embrace, a few drinks, and a place to retire after some oversight over the reconstruction. 

[AresKeith]

dreamgazer wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

And even if he lived, I don't think my Shep's story would be that interesting for most people.

I actually agree with this.  I'm not one much for extensive headcanon, so beyond getting yanked from the rubble there's not a lot fleshed out in my canon conclusion. There's an embrace, a few drinks, and a place to retire after some oversight over the reconstruction. 

So basically the Citadel DLC minus the Reaper War talk

[Iakus]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Likewise. I'm perfectly fine with Shepard not being my character after this game. It's just his send off was... severly lacking in my opinion thanks to a lot of things.

Says it all right here.

[dreamgazer]

AresKeith wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

And even if he lived, I don't think my Shep's story would be that interesting for most people.

I actually agree with this.  I'm not one much for extensive headcanon, so beyond getting yanked from the rubble there's not a lot fleshed out in my canon conclusion. There's an embrace, a few drinks, and a place to retire after some oversight over the reconstruction. 

So basically the Citadel DLC minus the Reaper War talk

In so many words, I suppose. It's darker than that, though.

[Reptilian Rob]

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

[dreamgazer]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

I've read Campbell.

Semi-related, but not really: I just finished the Lego LOTR game, and I was sorta amused that they left that bit out.  Makse sense being a kid-friendly game and all, but still. 

[essarr71]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

Sauron didn't suggest Frodo retire there.

[Reptilian Rob]

dreamgazer wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

I've read Campbell.

Semi-related, but not really: I just finished the Lego LOTR game, and I was sorta amused that they left that bit out.  Makse sense being a kid-friendly game and all, but still. 

I just HATE it that after the EC people still look at ME3 through this one very narrow viewpoint of "OH GOD IT'S BAD!" instead of having an educated background and looking at it through multiple literary lenses like the writers intended. 

[Reptilian Rob]

essarr71 wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

Sauron didn't suggest Frodo retire there.

Actually, he fortold it...

http://en.wikipedia....ok_of_Westmarch

[Ticonderoga117]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

I only know about archetypes roughly, but doing a little searching found this about "The Hero with a Thousand Faces":

A hero
ventures forth from the world of common day into a region of
supernatural wonder: fabulous forces are there encountered and a
decisive victory is won: the hero comes back from this mysterious
adventure with the power to bestow boons on his fellow man.

The bolded part, I feel, is lacking in our particular story. Now, I didn't want a "perfect" ending, and would love to have a fail state if you messed up too badly.

[Reptilian Rob]

To clarify, Campbell's archetypes is NOT a 100% used method in story telling. It is warped and changed to the authors needs, including mythology and mono-myth. Not all "Heroes Journey's" need to end on a victorious note. IE, Frankenstein and The Terminator.

[dreamgazer]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I just HATE it that after the EC people still look at ME3 through this one very narrow viewpoint of "OH GOD IT'S BAD!" instead of having an educated background and looking at it through multiple literary lenses like the writers intended. 

"After the EC" is the operative phrase, unfortunately, and it struggled to fix the issues that some people had (have) with the ending.  Considering it from different angles is tough when there's still narrative contradictions and logic gaps (and one or two new issues). 

[Reptilian Rob]

dreamgazer wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I just HATE it that after the EC people still look at ME3 through this one very narrow viewpoint of "OH GOD IT'S BAD!" instead of having an educated background and looking at it through multiple literary lenses like the writers intended. 

"After the EC" is the operative phrase, unfortunately, and it struggled to fix the issues that some people had (have) with the ending.  Considering it from different angles is tough when there's still narrative contradictions and logic gaps (and one or two new issues). 

I agree, I thought the original endings were very shallow and polarizing. However, I feel that the EC fixed most of those issues. However, I deem Control and Synthesis to be a clear contridiction to the ME mythos and themes. I see Destroy as the only true canon ending.

[Cainhurst Crow]

I liked star wars stories that didn't have luke skywalker, my revan, my exile, or any of that. I think I'll be fine with mass effect.

To me, my shepard was never my shepard, that became clear to me all the way back in ME1 when I encountered those false choices that all said the same thing no matter what you picked. From than on, it was just the story of shepard in the mass effect universe, and myself giving mild narrative imput from time to time. It never became my story, ever again.

And you know what the crazy part was? I liked it, even than, with the illusion no longer working, because the rest of the galaxy, characters, and stories that were going on around shepard were enough to hold me interested.

Enough of my grand standing though, enjoy your discussion of how bad auto-dialogue is.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 27 avril 2013 - 04:24 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

I just HATE it that after the EC people still look at ME3 through this one very narrow viewpoint of "OH GOD IT'S BAD!" instead of having an educated background and looking at it through multiple literary lenses like the writers intended. 

"After the EC" is the operative phrase, unfortunately, and it struggled to fix the issues that some people had (have) with the ending.  Considering it from different angles is tough when there's still narrative contradictions and logic gaps (and one or two new issues). 

I agree, I thought the original endings were very shallow and polarizing. However, I feel that the EC fixed most of those issues. However, I deem Control and Synthesis to be a clear contridiction to the ME mythos and themes. I see Destroy as the only true canon ending.

Consider me one of the people who has the one very narrow viewpoint of "IT'S BAD!"

I think all 4 of the endings are bad. High EMS Destroy is the best of the bunch, but I'm annoyed with the forced damage/destruction of technology and the fact that you can't be defiant towards the catalyst about his cycle and his logic. I'd love to tell him that his problem is inherently flawed as is his logic, his solution, and his viewpoint, and choose destroy to end the cycle. And I'm annoyed that I don't get a real definitive "Shepard wins and lives" scenario. Being half-dead and breathing in a pile of rubble just doesn't cut it. Refuse was just a big middle finger from BW from a meta-game standpoint.

Oh well, that's what headcanon and fanfiction is for (though I am annoyed that I have to resort to it).

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 27 avril 2013 - 05:12 .

[SoSolaris]

I love my Shepard. Coming up with her backstory and the reasoning behind why she acts the way she does was fulfilling, and I enjoy writing her character when I can. But I don't mind change, and I'm excited to see what the new protagonist will bring to the table with ME4.

[DirtyPhoenix]

k.lalh wrote...

Before we start to make sweeping generalizations...

Why don't we all just wait for the next game to come out?

Here on BSN? Impossibru! Who will give us our daily dose of melodrama then?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I created my Shepard, wrote a bio, then "method acted" her throughout the series. I got too into the character. That was my Shepard. I was Shepard. Shepard was me. I loved the character. I felt for the character. I hate the official endings. That the writers didn't have the guts to pull her out of the pile of rubble on the high EMS ending with this being the final installment of Shepard's story was vile. But then everyone would have chosen that ending, well almost everyone. There would still be some who would choose synthesis and control.

Alas, we now have MEHEM to complete it.

[k.lalh]

pirate1802 wrote...

(snip)

Here on BSN? Impossibru! Who will give us our daily dose of melodrama then?

Right...how could I forget, hahaha. 

Anyways we haven't heard a lot from you in a while. Welcome back.

[Yestare7]

christrek1982 wrote...

yep me to but many would say that it's not cannon not what the team intended others say it's to happy and that it dosn't fit (cos star brat fit in way better?) I say have your bleak dreary ending that still dose not fit I'll just stick with MEHEM.

This. 

[Arisugawa]

In my opinion, saying MEHEM is a valid ending to the series is like saying this is a valid ending for Star Wars.

[Voodoo2015]

Arisugawa wrote...

In my opinion, saying MEHEM is a valid ending to the series is like saying this is a valid ending for Star Wars.

But that ending to the Star Wars make more sense! That how i would do it if I were Darth Vader!

[Voodoo2015]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

So I take it no one here has read "Hero With a Thousand Faces?" or knows anything about archetypes, master of two worlds or the open ended journey? Ok, just asking...

No one ****ed when Frodo went to the Undying Lands...

I've read Campbell.

Semi-related, but not really: I just finished the Lego LOTR game, and I was sorta amused that they left that bit out.  Makse sense being a kid-friendly game and all, but still. 

I just HATE it that after the EC people still look at ME3 through this one very narrow viewpoint of "OH GOD IT'S BAD!" instead of having an educated background and looking at it through multiple literary lenses like the writers intended. 

But the ending i still bad... EC only explains what happens after the ending is still the same.