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[S.A.K]

Only thing I understand about it is, they should have left it out of the game...

[Slayer299]

Almost no-one understands the Stargazer scene OP. It made no sense with any of the endings pre/post EC.

[PsyrenY]

mass perfection wrote...

 I heard that the scene take place 10,000 years after ME3.Is this true?

As near as we can tell based on game files.

mass perfection wrote...

In Synthesis and Control,why aren't there any Reapers standing around?

They're elsewhere. It's a big galaxy.

mass perfection wrote...

Why isn't there ANY green in that scene in the Synthesis ending?

Use your imagination here. Maybe you can't see the glow because it's night. Maybe the glow fades over time or we figured out how to turn it off. Maybe it's there but the bright moonlight obscured it. et cetera.

mass perfection wrote...

Why aren't they killed by synthetics in Destroy?

If that only took 10k years to happen we'd be dead before ME1 started.

mass perfection wrote...

They appear to be as advanced as modern day humanity (not being able to travel to the stars) and still know about the Reaper War and Shepard?

What makes you think they can't space travel? "One day, my sweet" could simply mean the kid isn't old enough yet to go off-world.

[Indy_S]

Optimystic_X wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Why aren't they killed by synthetics in Destroy?

If that only took 10k years to happen we'd be dead before ME1 started.

But we're back to MEU within Hackett's lifetime. Ten thousand years later is Mass Effect plus ten thousand years.

[FlamingBoy]

Its incredibly vague, unfortunately vagueness is not a substitute for depth.

The entire tone of the ending is vague

[PsyrenY]

Indy_S wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

mass perfection wrote...

Why aren't they killed by synthetics in Destroy?

If that only took 10k years to happen we'd be dead before ME1 started.

But we're back to MEU within Hackett's lifetime. Ten thousand years later is Mass Effect plus ten thousand years.

Right, but with no synthetics, we are basically starting from scratch on the AI front. Therefore it will take a while before we're back in danger.

[PsyrenY]

FlamingBoy wrote...

The entire tone of the ending is vague

The tone isn't vague at all - hope, new beginnings, honoring the fallen.

The details are left vague I agree.

[clarkusdarkus]

The buy dlc was more retarded

[JasonShepard]

Eterna5 wrote...

 I always liked this guys view on it:

I’m happy that we got new content, of course. More cut scenes, more dialogue, more Mass Effect. I’d be crazy to complain about that.But I do think it distracts from the Stargazer scene, which I personally loved.

The Stargazer is voiced by Buzz Aldrin, one of the first humans to land on the moon in 1969. He’s a hero to space nerds, and his casting as the Stargazer, as well as his dialogue, is a huge treat, as well as a subtle breaking of the fourth wall, which I’ll explain:

Child: “When can I go to the stars?
”Stargazer: “One day, my sweet.”
Child: “What will be there?
”Stargazer: “Anything you can imagine. Our galaxy has billions of stars. Each of those stars could have many worlds. Every world could be home to a different form of life. And every life is a special story of its own.”

This may seem tangential, but did you know that NASA’s annual budget, at $19 billion, is just 0.5% of the US federal budget? That’s enough to land rovers on Mars and to find hundreds of extrasolar planets, many of which might harbor life. Yet despite these huge successes, funding is being cut more and more.We’re in a situation right now where in many countries like Canada, the UK and the US, science funding — especially in the so-called “STEM” (science, technology, engineering, mathematics) fields — are diminishing faster than can be justified by the ailing economy.

Space exploration and science in general needs as much encouragement as it can get right now, and surely, that’s why Buzz agreed to this role, and why Bioware chose such a relatively obscure public figure over someone who might have been more popular or a better actor.

The Stargazer scene is terse, but it’s important. It ties one of the themes of the Mass Effect series — scientific and civilizational progress — to the real world here in 2012. It makes the ending uplifting in a very real way, and attempts to give Mass Effect social significance, as unsuccessful as it might sadly have been at that. But I think it was a really good attempt at something worthwhile that most game studios don’t have the balls to do.

Yeah, I was about to track that quote down. Thanks for saving me the trouble 

[SpamBot2000]

wright1978 wrote...

I think in part it is supposed to reflect the real life(today) message, that one day we will go to the stars.

Which of course makes little sense in the context of Mass Effect, a story that doesn't take place "long ago, in a galaxy far, far away" but in the future of this galaxy, with precise dates for advances in our exploration of space.

Basically I feel the scene is there to mollify negative reactions to the ending, which I'm sure they knew were coming, with a message of "Awww bro, y u mad? See, it's ONLY A FAIRY TALE."

That, and heavy-handedly underlining the Biblical elements, in case someone missed how they were so cleverly utilized. And to sell DLC, of course.

[FlamingBoy]

Optimystic_X wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

The entire tone of the ending is vague

The tone isn't vague at all - hope, new beginnings, honoring the fallen.

The details are left vague I agree.

The game (mass effect series in its entirety) was about war, overcoming obstacles, accepting diversity, and perhaps alliances. Your 3 themes played a backdrop for most of the third game.

See when I saw the orginal endings I got, death, explosions, synthetics bonding, death of geth and edi, controlling reapers, godlike personification of shepard. The whole thing was a giant biblical reference

Yeah you could include hope and new beginnings but that bound together with everything else, they are just on oposite ends of the scale, its a vague experience, I felt no emotion to the themes you suggested my only question, and still is, was...

What?!

[M74]

FlamingBoy wrote...

The whole thing was a giant biblical reference

Which bible are you taking as reference for your statement?

Most interesting would be in which part of the Mass Effect series is an anology to Moses receiving the commandments on mount Sinai.

In which part of Mass Effect can I see an anology to the exodus in the biblical sense?
Don't tell me the Quarians and the Geth.... LOL

Another one, Sodum and Gomorrah. Where in Mass Effect could that be reflected.

I'm curious, because I think I missed getting the Bible DLC.

Please explain to me.

Thanks

[Cheviot]

mass perfection wrote...

 I heard that the scene take place 10,000 years after ME3.Is this true?

It's not definitely said how long after, but it may be 50,000 years (based on the Refuse ending having a similar cutscene).

In Synthesis and Control,why aren't there any Reapers standing around?

I don't think Reapers stand around everywhere.

Why isn't there ANY green in that scene in the Synthesis ending?

We're too far away to see, and they have their backs to us.

Why aren't they killed by synthetics in Destroy?

Because however Shepard dealt with them in his Cycle is probably how later Cycles would deal with them. Also, synthetics didn't attack every planet all the time.  Even the Reapers had a break.

They appear to be as advanced as modern day humanity (not being able to travel to the stars) and still know about the Reaper War and Shepard?

They might be able to travel to the stars (remember that the Stargazer is talking to a child, who'd probably have to wait until he grow up before he could leave the planet), but even if they can't, they would probably know about the Reapers and Shepard from the time capsules left by Liara.

Modifié par Cheviot, 28 avril 2013 - 06:56 .

[wright1978]

S.A.K wrote...

Only thing I understand about it is, they should have left it out of the game...

QFT

[Brovikk Rasputin]

A lot of people in here sure are trying hard to find something to complain about.

The scene is very, very, VERY simple.

[Fixers0]

You can't.

[AlanC9]

Optimystic_X wrote...

They appear to be as advanced as modern day humanity (not being able to travel to the stars) and still know about the Reaper War and Shepard?

What makes you think they can't space travel? "One day, my sweet" could simply mean the kid isn't old enough yet to go off-world.

I think the line plainly means that they do have starflight. "One day, my sweet" is the sort of thing you tell a kid who wants to go to Europe, not what you tell a kid who wants to go to the Moon.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 avril 2013 - 08:55 .

[o Ventus]

ThinkSharp wrote...

Why so serious?

It's just a feel good scene, nothing more and nothing less.

It breaks the fourth wall. Emphasizes the "epic" feel of the game.

If it serves any functional purpose, it's to link all of your ME playthroughs--"one more story"--which isn't a necessary thing at all.

But geesh. Why nitpick it to death? It's clearly not meant to be overanalyzed. Why not just enjoy it for what it is?

Because there's nothing to enjoy. What IS there is borderline disrespectful, and downright creepy.

[Lebanese Dude]

o Ventus wrote...

ThinkSharp wrote...

Why so serious?

It's just a feel good scene, nothing more and nothing less.

It breaks the fourth wall. Emphasizes the "epic" feel of the game.

If it serves any functional purpose, it's to link all of your ME playthroughs--"one more story"--which isn't a necessary thing at all.

But geesh. Why nitpick it to death? It's clearly not meant to be overanalyzed. Why not just enjoy it for what it is?

Because there's nothing to enjoy. What IS there is borderline disrespectful, and downright creepy.

I loved the scene. 

I thought that it was placed in order to imply that Shepard was now a legend spoken about far into the future. This is to honor your achievements. I can't see how it detracts from the story.

It can also be inferred that it is the same planet as the one the Normandy landed (note the two moons). It can be assumed that it serves as a replacement for Earth for the human species if Earth was destroyed, or it is just a future colony that lived in peaceful times. 
The peace itself may also be a fabrication by the grandfather to protect his grandson/daughter.

It is all open ended. It isn't supposed to be over-analyzed. It is just supposed to be the closure of the story of Commander Shepard. The Shepard. The legend.

Modifié par Lebdood, 28 avril 2013 - 11:23 .

[o Ventus]

It detracts from the story in that it's a blatant DLC advertisement, placed right at the end of the game (immediately before the actual DLC ad was present in the full game).

Your 2nd paragraph is all conjecture.

"The Shepard"... That line physically disgusts me.

Nevermind that if the events of the games are indeed just a story that Grandpa told the kid, what about the wanton murder and sex that Shepard had? The Eclipse merc who fell to his death screaming? The krogan who was immolated by a gas fire on Tuchanka in ME2? David Archer?

Modifié par o Ventus, 28 avril 2013 - 11:31 .

[pors88]

I think that apart from trying to get players to buy DLCs, this may be an introduction to the ME4 protagonist.
To me, ME4 only makes sense if it's far in the future. The 'Stargazer' kid is all grown up and travels the galaxy thus discovering a new threat. Some clues about the 'new threat' are from Shepard's era and remembering the story he/she was told by the granfather, the new hero gathers clues, resources and allies during his/her quest.

[Lebanese Dude]

o Ventus wrote...

It detracts from the story in that it's a blatant DLC advertisement, placed right at the end of the game (immediately before the actual DLC ad was present in the full game).

Your 2nd paragraph is all conjecture.

"The Shepard"... That line physically disgusts me.

Nevermind that if the events of the games are indeed just a story that Grandpa told the kid, what about the wanton murder and sex that Shepard had? The Eclipse merc who fell to his death screaming? The krogan who was immolated by a gas fire on Tuchanka in ME2? David Archer?

I only just finished the game with all the DLC installed so I suppose I don't hold the same view as yours which may (or may not) be true. I assumed it implied the Mass Effect universe was not coming to an end. There can be more stories in this universe.

I admitted the second part was conjecture. That's why I said it was my conclusion
I don't like "The Shepard" either but I'm pretty sure they won't be using "Commander" when referring to him in the future.
All the details you mentioned are merely meant to be the player filling in the pieces of the story to frame his own narrative for both lore and gameplay reasons. Your choices are reflected in the stories, but it is up to you to decide how and why Shepard gets there, sex and murder included. It can be an analog to religion.


Also, tickle, stop making me laugh with your pictures my sides hurt lol

Modifié par Lebdood, 28 avril 2013 - 11:42 .

[o Ventus]

Lebdood wrote...

I admitted the second part was conjecture. That's why I said it was my conclusion
I don't like "The Shepard" either but I'm pretty sure they won't be using "Commander" when referring to him in the future.
All the details you mentioned are merely meant to be the player filling in the pieces of the story to frame his own narrative for both lore and gameplay reasons. Your choices are reflected in the stories, but it is up to you to decide how and why Shepard gets there, sex and murder included. It can be an analog to religion.

So... Conjecture.