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[Lebanese Dude]

o Ventus wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

I admitted the second part was conjecture. That's why I said it was my conclusion
I don't like "The Shepard" either but I'm pretty sure they won't be using "Commander" when referring to him in the future.
All the details you mentioned are merely meant to be the player filling in the pieces of the story to frame his own narrative for both lore and gameplay reasons. Your choices are reflected in the stories, but it is up to you to decide how and why Shepard gets there, sex and murder included. It can be an analog to religion.

So... Conjecture.

Yes. It's a scene that is open to intepretation. You say that it is complete garbage. That is conjecture as well. That's why it's so good. It only directly states that Shepard is now a legend known as "The Shepard". Everything else is up to your interpretation. It's a beautiful post-credits ending that pays tribute to your achievements. 
That is all.

[AresKeith]

Lebdood wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Lebdood wrote...

I admitted the second part was conjecture. That's why I said it was my conclusion
I don't like "The Shepard" either but I'm pretty sure they won't be using "Commander" when referring to him in the future.
All the details you mentioned are merely meant to be the player filling in the pieces of the story to frame his own narrative for both lore and gameplay reasons. Your choices are reflected in the stories, but it is up to you to decide how and why Shepard gets there, sex and murder included. It can be an analog to religion.

So... Conjecture.

Yes. It's a scene that is open to intepretation. You say that it is complete garbage. That is conjecture as well. That's why it's so good. It only directly states that Shepard is now a legend known as "The Shepard". Everything else is up to your interpretation. It's a beautiful post-credits ending that pays tribute to your achievements. 
That is all.

Ugh that word

[Morlath]

o Ventus wrote...

It detracts from the story in that it's a blatant DLC advertisement, placed right at the end of the game (immediately before the actual DLC ad was present in the full game).

Your 2nd paragraph is all conjecture.

"The Shepard"... That line physically disgusts me.

Nevermind that if the events of the games are indeed just a story that Grandpa told the kid, what about the wanton murder and sex that Shepard had? The Eclipse merc who fell to his death screaming? The krogan who was immolated by a gas fire on Tuchanka in ME2? David Archer?

I don't think it detracts from the story. It's obvious by the tone (including the "The Shepard" part) that it's such a long way off from the actual events that everything has become myth and legend. Very much like one might consider the religious angle of the Exodus vs its history details (as a pure example).

For me it was about a kid being told that "one man CAN make a difference and that man could be you".

[Lebanese Dude]

AresKeith wrote...


Ugh that word

I'm starting to understand that the forum hates that term lol

I meani t's true! In the future you are the legend of Shepard. I found it silly but rather cute coming from the kid.

[Lebanese Dude]

Morlath wrote...


For me it was about a kid being told that "one man CAN make a difference and that man could be you"

Well said.

[AresKeith]

Lebdood wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


Ugh that word

I'm starting to understand that the forum hates that term lol

I meani t's true! In the future you are the legend of Shepard. I found it silly but rather cute coming from the kid.

I know its true, but it just feels ... wrong

[ThinkSharp]

Why is the phrase hated? For the religious implication or something else?

Complete curiosity here.

[PsyrenY]

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

And you do know the name Alan Shepard right?

Which is why the character's last name is Shepard

Modifié par AresKeith, 29 avril 2013 - 12:48 .

[ThinkSharp]

AresKeith wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

And you do know the name Alan Shepard right?

Which is why the character's last name is Shepard

Both of you are right.

Stargazer just made the Shepard as symbol reference blatantly obvious.

Modifié par ThinkSharp, 29 avril 2013 - 12:56 .

[Lebanese Dude]

ThinkSharp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

And you do know the name Alan Shepard right?

Which is why the character's last name is Shepard

Both of you are right.

Stargazer just made the Shepard as symbol reference blatantly obvious.

I found it rather poetic

[AresKeith]

ThinkSharp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

And you do know the name Alan Shepard right?

Which is why the character's last name is Shepard

Both of you are right.

Stargazer just made the Shepard as symbol reference blatantly obvious.

I just find it too obnoxious and corny really

[Lebanese Dude]

AresKeith wrote...

ThinkSharp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

And you do know the name Alan Shepard right?

Which is why the character's last name is Shepard

Both of you are right.

Stargazer just made the Shepard as symbol reference blatantly obvious.

I just find it too obnoxious and corny really

I can see where you're coming from. I just found the way the kid said "the Shepard" was cute.

[Obadiah]

Er, well, my take on the Stargazer scene.

In the original ending where the Relays were destroyed, and the Normandy crashed and didn't take off, it was to show that a civilization flourished on the new planet, but had yet to achieve the intra-galactic travel. It was a message that after the war, life had moved on and the Council, the Reapers, and Shepard had passed into mythology,

The Sheperd's actions now served as a moral compass (parables, object lessons, etc), guiding the new civilization. It reflected Samara's line, "Only your actions will be remembered. May you choose them well." I kinda liked it.

The EC sort of obscures the devastation with the rebuilding effort, but I guess it could still apply.

[Whybother]

One day you will understand this scene, my sweet.

[Lebanese Dude]

Whybother wrote...

One day you will understand this scene, my sweet.

K this is just outright corny lol haha

[WhiteKnyght]

mass perfection wrote...

 I heard that the scene take place 10,000 years after ME3.Is this true?

In Synthesis and Control,why aren't there any Reapers standing around?

Why isn't there ANY green in that scene in the Synthesis ending?

Why aren't they killed by synthetics in Destroy?

They appear to be as advanced as modern day humanity (not being able to travel to the stars) and still know about the Reaper War and Shepard?

Okay... here goes...

1. Yes it is 10,000 years later.

2. Why would there be? Synthesis and Control don't mean the Reapers have to be everywhere.

3. The people were so far away you wouldn't be able to see it anyway. And everything else was covered by snow, which is not an organic lifeform to be synthesized like plants are.

4. Why isn't everything killed by synthetics in ME1-3? Just because you don't see synthetics there, it doesn't mean they aren't at war with organics somewhere else. And ghost boy never said how long it would take for total destruction to happen(it takes the Reapers centuries to do it, and they're thousands of times more powerful than other synthetic races like the Geth. So it could take thousands of years or longer)

5. Nobody said they aren't able to go to the stars. It was a little boy asking his grandfather, which means he was probably too young  for his parents to allow it.

Sheesh. People need to have a little common sense when wondering these things.

Over all, the Stargazer scene was there to confirm that Shepard ultimately succeeded, no matter what path he chose.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 29 avril 2013 - 03:20 .

[PsyrenY]

AresKeith wrote...

I just find it too obnoxious and corny really

*Insert Shepard "Deal With It" image here*

[AresKeith]

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

I just find it too obnoxious and corny really

*Insert Shepard "Deal With It" image here*

Is that suppose to annoy me or something?

[Voodoo2015]

AresKeith wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Ugh that word

You know Bioware picked "Shepard" as your name for a reason. It's symbolic. They could have called you Jones or Kowalski or Brown, but they deliberately didn't.

And you do know the name Alan Shepard right?

Which is why the character's last name is Shepard

Hahaha I had to say. I actually did not know who Al Shepard was. Had to check it out.

[George Costanza]

They just wanted to use Buzz Aldrin.

[wright1978]

George Costanza wrote...

They just wanted to use Buzz Aldrin.

Yep so they shoehorned in a scene as a blatant shout out to Buzz Aldrin. Very poor.

[kobayashi-maru]

I look at it as remnant of original ending they didn't cut due to the VO artist playing Grandfather. This is only my interpretation - the relays got destroyed/severely damaged, many civilisations decimated, planets wrecked and people stranded all over galaxy. Essentially all cultures sent back to low tech beginnings, like Tuchanka, and having to start again. In the short term a number will die but most survive and begin to rebuild civilisations/ships etc. The Asari culture especially would be effected by the Prothean manipulation revelation they got.

Within 100 years things would be back on track but relationships between species and cultures would be drastically different. If they rebuild or keep AI/robot tech the treatment of them would be different with the new knowledge from ME3.

The 10,000 year later stamp was essentially saying while all this was occurring in the galaxy the crew of the Normandy where stranded on a planet where they built there own civilisation and culture. It was hinted they never went back into space, up till that point, and that they knew all these people where out in the Universe but had no idea what it would look like now with all the time that passed.

My own conspiracy theory was that the genderless child was to grow up to be ME4 protagonist before ending was retconned.

Now with EC it has no real place in the narrative and would have worked better if they changed background to being on Earth or something like that.

Modifié par kobayashi-maru, 29 avril 2013 - 08:56 .

[Dubozz]

 Deus Ex ending was not enough so they add a little Starcon2 ending.

[PsyrenY]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

 Essentially all cultures sent back to low tech beginnings, like Tuchanka, and having to start again.

Even without EC I saw no reason to think that this was the case, particularly with Control and Synthesis where we have Reapers at our galactic beck and call. Not to mention that Sur'kesh wasn't yet invaded, so the Salarian infrastructure should be largely intact. Even pre-EC, we saw the Reapers taking off rather than falling over dead, and of course our own tech (particularly the Geth) still existed too.

kobayashi-maru wrote...

The 10,000 year later stamp was essentially saying while all this was occurring in the galaxy the crew of the Normandy where stranded on a planet where they built there own civilisation and culture.

This is completely impossible - the Normandy crew in ME3 is what, a dozen people? 20? And we didn't know anything about the planet either, heck we still don't. It could be a dextro-world. There was no reason to think they were even the same planet.

kobayashi-maru wrote...

Now with EC it has no real place in the narrative and would have worked better if they changed background to being on Earth or something like that.

The whole point of the planet was NEW - new hope, new beginnings, new Eden, new galactic landscape. Landing somewhere familiar - like Earth - would have totally undermined that.