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#26
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I literally just got back from seeing it. I've stayed away from this thread to avoid spoilers, so I'm kind of surprised at all the negativity. As stated in the title, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers.

The movie definitely deviates from the comics, but that's been the case since the first movie and all the other Avengers movies (Thor being an alien should REALLY put everyone into the mindset that the comics should only be seen as a reference material at this point).

That being said, I thought the fact that Tony was outside of his suit most of the movie was a good change of pace. Going from Avengers, which had Iron Man and company blasting through an army of space warriors and taking down a starship armada, it was going to be impossible to top the level of action there. So having both Tony and Rhodey dealing with problems without their suits (and being vastly outclassed in many cases) was a welcome change of pace.

I loved the Mandarin switheroo. I was wondering how they were going to explain the character and do it justice and by stripping it down to nearly nothing, it was quite poetic. 

Yes, the army of suits at the end was a little contrived (Jarvis was out of commission and couldn't summon them is a passable excuse, but definitely a lampshade) but it was still a cool scene. After all, it makes sense that Guy Pierce would have a small army of super soldiers, since if every military amputee was given the chance at not only getting their limbs back but also getting super powers, there would be no shortage of volunteers. So a small army needs to be countered with a small army.

After all, if just Iron Man and War Machine (I won't use the Iron Patriot monicker) were needed to take down dozens of these super soldiers, then why, exactly, would Guy Pierce be a hard target to take down? Which is needed, of course. A super hero movie without a "boss" fight at the end just isn't a super hero movie, now is it? But, instead, if a dozen or so suits were all fighting, this doesn't diminish the other super soldiers to TOTAL mook status, so it all evens out.

I am confused by people saying they were bored. I feel like this game had more action (and more heart) then the first two movies. It honestly played out more like a Bond movie than the previous Marvel movies. I did think the wrap up at the end was a little too quick and "Tony Stark is smart and everything is fixed," so I can definitely see the criticism there. It was the like the scene in Iron Man 2 where he is told an element is impossible to synthesize... two minutes later, he uses a laser to make it. Right.

My real complaint is the lack of tie in to the overall Avengers universe. In an attempt to carry on the Avengers Shawara humor in the end scene, we see a similar one with the Hulk being Tony's therapist, which didnt really even come close to being a similar punch line. Every movie in these series has include some kind of foreshadowing, but this movie had none. It truly is a standalone film, which isn't the best course, given how integrated the whole series is becoming.

Ultimately, I'd say its better than 2, nearly as good as 1 (for me) and still a must see for anyone who likes the Marvel/Avengers movies.

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 04 mai 2013 - 09:03 .


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I was never bored during it, and yeah I do think it had a lot of heart.

To add something, I think Ben Kingsley should have played Killian... with the exact same tone and charisma he brought to the Mandarin role. I think that would have been the best way.

Killian, as acted, just sort of comes off as a petty crazy idiot... similar to what happened in IM2.

The Mandarin fake out wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't the more intriguing better acted character.

And yes it is better than 2 and nearly as good as 1.

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I was disappointed by the Mandarin twist. And Iron Patriot was Norman Osborn last time I checked.

It wasn't exactly a bad movie though. I'm more excited for Thor now anyway.

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Just got back from seeing it, thougrally enjoyed it no complaints. Sure there were a few problem but nothing that can't be hand waved. In my opinion.

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Poor show really. The twist with the Mandarin was nice, and a surprise. Guy Pierce and the super soldiers being able to physically take on Iron man was good, the cloak and dagger twist was fine. Certain aspects were good. But other than that, the film tended to devolve into, look at the shiny shiny, and I got bored.

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Some Geth wrote...

I was never bored during it, and yeah I do think it had a lot of heart.

To add something, I think Ben Kingsley should have played Killian... with the exact same tone and charisma he brought to the Mandarin role. I think that would have been the best way.

Killian, as acted, just sort of comes off as a petty crazy idiot... similar to what happened in IM2.

The Mandarin fake out wouldn't be so bad if he wasn't the more intriguing better acted character.

And yes it is better than 2 and nearly as good as 1.



See, I really liked the fact that the Mandarin was manufactured to play on people's fears of terrorism. And the fact that it was made up to hide the reason for the explosions, instead of them being deliberate attacks.

It was never really explained how, exactly, the Excellis was addictive, which was a bit of a problem, honestly. And the supposed ability to unlock the brain's potential (which, by the way, is totally flubbed, considering that the work was originally done in PLANTS... which, as we know, don't have brains) felt a little like a wasted opportunity. 

But, still, I liked having Ben Kingsley as a fake villain, but I agree that Guy Pierce caught a case of the "crazy-evil-itis" at the end, which made his character more flat than it could have been. But I did like the fact that it was just a corporate cover up to make money. That seemed to resonate more with me as a brilliant plan than just random fanatical terrorism. 

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Yeah my problem is the more interesting villain (in performance, appearance, intimidation factor, apparent motivation, mystery, and vendetta against Tony) was replaced by a lesser one. It'd be kind of like if an hour into Dark Knight Joker left the film to be replaced by one of the ordinary mobsters in a suit.

The twist itself isn't bad, but the tradeoff in villains is meh. Mandarin could also have been everything he appeared and been stopped earlier, or upstaged/killed/sold out by the underling... rather than just being a joke. Same surprise twist in the villain switch, but without instantly destroying all the credibility and interest of the original threat.


But hey, I still like the movie so whatever.

Modifié par Some Geth, 04 mai 2013 - 09:28 .


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If this had been called Lethal Bang Bang 3 it would be a brilliant buddy cop extravaganza. But as an adaptation of Extremis, Director of SHIELD, and Five nightmares, it was mind numbingly bad. Still a good buddy cop film, but a terrible Iron Man film.

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Some Geth wrote...

Yeah my problem is the more interesting villain (in performance, appearance, intimidation factor, apparent motivation, mystery, and vendetta against Tony) was replaced by a lesser one. It'd be kind of like if an hour into Dark Knight Joker left the film to be replaced by one of the ordinary mobsters in a suit.

The twist itself isn't bad, but the tradeoff in villains is meh. Mandarin could also have been everything he appeared and been stopped earlier, or upstaged/killed/sold out by the underling... rather than just being a joke. Same surprise twist in the villain switch, but without instantly destroying all the credibility and interest of the original threat.


Like the terrorist leader was killed by Obidiah in the first movie? That could have been cool. I also really thought the gum chewing super soldier (don't remember them ever saying his name?) was really starting to question the direction Guy Pierce was going for a little bit there... but then he just kept true on the merciless, psychotic henchman role. Which might have been an interesting development, but not a deal breaker for me. 

Overall, I liked it. Worth my $10.

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Also, I was confused by one thing... did Pepper keep her super powers? The ending said Tony "fixed" her, but did it did the negative side effects and keep all the good ones? Or was the Excellis just successfully removed from her?

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Yeah I agree.

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Well I like to ignore source material in it's entirety, when I judge a film, I judge it on it's own merits.
By that standard this is a good Ironman film, in the Ironman film series.

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I will admit though, as much as I hate this movie for butchering my favorite iron Man arcs, Trevor Slattery is my idol. I always dreamed of seeing the Mandarin as a washed up drug addicted English actor. So in that regard I commend Shane Black and his enormous ego.

Also @Fast Jimmy: The way I interpreted the ending is that he removed Extremis from Pepper and then modified it and implemented it on himself, giving him a healing factor (thus making the hole that would be in his chest after getting the reactor reoved a moot point) and the ability to control the Iron man armor mentally without any outside apparatus (like he did in the comics).

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Twist sucked; liked it a bit better than IM2, overall not as much as 1st one though tbh.

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Also @Fast Jimmy: The way I interpreted the ending is that he removed Extremis from Pepper and then modified it and implemented it on himself, giving him a healing factor (thus making the hole that would be in his chest after getting the reactor reoved a moot point) and the ability to control the Iron man armor mentally without any outside apparatus (like he did in the comics).


Hmmmm. I could see that being the case, but if so, they definitely just glazed over those facts.

Oh, well, I guess that's why there is going to be another Avengers movie, right?

Modifié par Fast Jimmy, 04 mai 2013 - 10:08 .


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I loved the whole Trevor part. It really got me and made me laugh. Elsewise, the film was pretty good on the whole, better than 2 (not hard really) and I'm not sure about it being better than 1. A hard decision truly.

I hope RDJ comes back to Iron Man, as in I hope he successfully negotiates the new contract. I'd be so sad if he went.

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I just wish they hadn't used Guy Pearce because you already know he'll be the bad guy.

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OdanUrr wrote...

I just wish they hadn't used Guy Pearce because you already know he'll be the bad guy.


Actually, because of the comic arc, I assumed Killian would just be one of the characters there but not the bad guy. I wasn't really expecting it until the film really got going.

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Ghost Lightning wrote...

Also @Fast Jimmy: The way I interpreted the ending is that he removed Extremis from Pepper and then modified it and implemented it on himself, giving him a healing factor (thus making the hole that would be in his chest after getting the reactor reoved a moot point) and the ability to control the Iron man armor mentally without any outside apparatus (like he did in the comics).


It was pretty clear he removed it from Pepper but I don't think they implied he used it on himself, IMHO the character arc of the film was getting Tony to the place where he was prepared to take the risk on having an operation. 

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KvT Resurrect wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

I just wish they hadn't used Guy Pearce because you already know he'll be the bad guy.


Actually, because of the comic arc, I assumed Killian would just be one of the characters there but not the bad guy. I wasn't really expecting it until the film really got going.


I would have preferred that he helped Tony defeat the Mandarin somehow.

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Morroian wrote...

Ghost Lightning wrote...

Also @Fast Jimmy: The way I interpreted the ending is that he removed Extremis from Pepper and then modified it and implemented it on himself, giving him a healing factor (thus making the hole that would be in his chest after getting the reactor reoved a moot point) and the ability to control the Iron man armor mentally without any outside apparatus (like he did in the comics).


It was pretty clear he removed it from Pepper but I don't think they implied he used it on himself, IMHO the character arc of the film was getting Tony to the place where he was prepared to take the risk on having an operation. 


I feel you. I was just going off the wording he used in his voice over. He said he did some tinkering with it and "figure 'Why stop there?'". I thought that meant he altered it like he did in the comics, but that's probably just wishful thnking.  

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I find it to be a good movie. I find Iron Man 1 to be the best of the films still, but I did enjoy Iron Man 3.
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It's alternate universe Iron Man. Never really happened. Unlike the comics, which... really happened.

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Well Shane Black loves setting his movies during the holidays.

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Are they going to do the whole 'Iron Man Model 30 (Extremis Armor)' for a future title, if it happens?