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[MerinTB]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

HoonDing wrote...

With Kickstarter around, CDPR is no longer relevant in the RPG genre. Then again, neither is BioWare or any other AAA developer.

Ha! I think you are DRASTICALLY overstating things. 

Kickstarter is great and amazing, but it is not going to kill the AAA game industry, just like YouTube, Netflix or Hulu hasn't killed the TV or movie industries. They have changed it, for sure... but they never will kill the giants of their industries. Not unless some very huge changes happen. 

Kickstarter is a game changer, yes.  It is NOT the death knell of publishers or studios, however.  I'd actually argue that it is a god-send for both, even if they themselves won't realize it.

[dreamgazer]

Galvanization wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

I love Witcher threads. The overreaction and butthurt from CDPR fans and BioWare stalwarts alike is hilarious.

Definitely can't say I disagree there. +100 tbh.

[Jonathan28]

Roflbox wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I am less than impressed with their marketing for this new game. It's sexist (Robo girl in a submissive pose, bloodied and wearing a slip is the only female they have revealed..) and offensive. And I am bored to death of the Cyberpunk setting being milked EVERYWHERE

This is pretty offensive.

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Sweet jesus these women are fine. I am struggling to see what is offensive about this video. 

Some of the guys in the video are weird, they are still playing DA:O even when those girls are around. This is the sort of situation where alot of men, myself included,  would act as if I had been forced to come to this event by my geeky friend. 

Who by the way does not actually exist, It's just a form of damage limitation.

Modifié par Jonathan28, 28 avril 2013 - 05:34 .

[LPPrince]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

HoonDing wrote...

With Kickstarter around, CDPR is no longer relevant in the RPG genre. Then again, neither is BioWare or any other AAA developer.

Yep, that was my reaction. Much better than my smiley.

[Jonathan28]

Fandango9641 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I am less than impressed with their marketing for this new game. It's sexist (Robo girl in a submissive pose, bloodied and wearing a slip is the only female they have revealed..) and offensive.

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[In Exile]

It's amazing how well run their PR machine is. They've tapped into player's rage very well.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Who cares about what is or isn't sexist, the real question should be can we still play as a nomad or not? And whether net runners can still have their awesome cyberspace battles or not?

[dreamgazer]

In Exile wrote...

It's amazing how well run their PR machine is. They've tapped into player's rage very well.

Especially with their crowd-riling balk at multiplayer. 

[In Exile]

bEVEsthda wrote...
Instead of looking at various fan-groups of teen-cultures as the potential customers (despite these groups' obvious lack of financial strength for games), regarding the customers like some kind of insects, a population to be studied to understand what kind of sugar they like, CDR seem to just assume that their audience is mature, reasonably intelligent and educated. CDR, Valve and Bethesda do that. Seems to work for them.

Bioware seemed to do that too, in the past. But now, we get Flemeth redone as a milf-Final-Fantasy-witch.
What does this say about what has happened to Bioware? And will they find a way to get back into shape?

They did? Which game? KoTOR? JE?

[Jonathan28]

In Exile wrote...

It's amazing how well run their PR machine is. They've tapped into player's rage very well.

All the former BW fans were going to have to go somewhere. 

[Jonathan28]

In Exile wrote...

bEVEsthda wrote...
Instead of looking at various fan-groups of teen-cultures as the potential customers (despite these groups' obvious lack of financial strength for games), regarding the customers like some kind of insects, a population to be studied to understand what kind of sugar they like, CDR seem to just assume that their audience is mature, reasonably intelligent and educated. CDR, Valve and Bethesda do that. Seems to work for them.

Bioware seemed to do that too, in the past. But now, we get Flemeth redone as a milf-Final-Fantasy-witch.
What does this say about what has happened to Bioware? And will they find a way to get back into shape?

They did? Which game? KoTOR? JE?

Flemeth looks more like a Gilf.

EDIT:I have no idea why i quoted your post without replying to your question. BW haven't really treated their customers like their mature and intelligent have they? Maybe in times past, but in things like the ME series, I have always had this feeling that the writers assume I'm a moron who can;t see through their attempted smokescreen. Especially in ME3, I've always wanted to know who wrote the Genophage Arc in that game, because the pathetic attempt at trying to emotionally manipulate me into feeling sorry enough for the Krogan to cure the genophage rubbed me up the wrong way, especially with the poorly disguised strawman aka the Dalatrass. 

Did the writer have the personal view that the Genophage must be cured? Because if they did then they should NOT have written that Arc, their bias is shining through. I have honestly never felt so insulted in my life. 

Modifié par Jonathan28, 28 avril 2013 - 05:55 .

[Addai]

Zanallen wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The big difference here is that CDPR is a small company with passionate people who are not only game developers, but also gamers. That in combination with the fact that they're not owned by a mega-corporation (like EA) means they aren't "just a company who exploits the current situation".

This part is all wrong. Please fact check statements.

How is this wrong?  They're part of a larger media group, but still own all of the game development arm themselves.  One of the developers of TW2 told us here that four people did the writing for the game, then turned around and did the cinematic design for it too.

That said, CDPR should not be lionized, even by its fans (of which I am one).  Marcin Iwinski defended always-online with monetization here and said it was inevitable.  So yeah.  If they screw up, they'll pay the price in fan loyalty like any other company.

Modifié par Addai67, 28 avril 2013 - 05:59 .

[slimgrin]

Addai67 wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The big difference here is that CDPR is a small company with passionate people who are not only game developers, but also gamers. That in combination with the fact that they're not owned by a mega-corporation (like EA) means they aren't "just a company who exploits the current situation".

This part is all wrong. Please fact check statements.

How is this wrong?  They're part of a larger media group, but still own all of the game development arm themselves.  One of the developers of TW2 told us here that four people did the writing for the game, then turned around and did the cinematic design for it too.

That said, CDPR should not be lionized, even by its fans (of which I am one).  Marcin Iwinski defended always-online with monetization here and said it was inevitable.  So yeah.  If they screw up, they'll pay the price in fan loyalty like any other company.

He's not defending always online there, he's saying it's inevitable, and that if you're going to do it, make the experience worthwhile for the customer. So he cites D3 as a succesful example, and from a business standpoint he's right. But it's not their way of doing business. As I said earlier, releasing CP 2077 and TW3 with no DRM is a first, and to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if they rethink that strategy.

People need to remember that CDPR doesn't speak as a unified voice, they don't have any PR protocol in place, so you get a wide range of opinions from them. Sometimes I disagree because they have f*cked up on occasion. But I disagree with the cynicism in this thread claiming CDPR's philosophy is only to butter up their fans. Partly, yes it's marketing, but they also back it up with action. They really are a bunch of gamers running a company, all the way up to Iwinski, an active gamer himself. It's not like he came over from Mattel and thought he'd try his hand in the games industry; it's his passion.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 avril 2013 - 06:59 .

[The Antagonist]

Nice. Too bad their games suck though.

[The Heretic of Time]

Zanallen wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

The big difference here is that CDPR is a small company with passionate people who are not only game developers, but also gamers. That in combination with the fact that they're not owned by a mega-corporation (like EA) means they aren't "just a company who exploits the current situation".

This part is all wrong. Please fact check statements.

My statements are factual and correct. But if you feel I made a mistake or got my facts wrong, by all means, feel free to prove me wrong.

[Maverick827]

Jonathan28 wrote...

All the former BW fans were going to have to go somewhere. 

Please do.

[The Heretic of Time]

slimgrin wrote...

But I disagree with the cynicism in this thread claiming CDPR's philosophy is only to butter up their fans. Partly, yes it's marketing, but they also back it up with action. They really are a bunch of gamers running a company, all the way up to Iwinski, an active gamer himself. It's not like he came over from Mattel and thought he'd try his hand in the games industry; it's his passion.

This. +1

Also. amazing video. I haven't seen it yet. Thanks for sharing. I advice everyone else to also watch that video.

[In Exile]

Addai67 wrote...
How is this wrong?  They're part of a larger media group, but still own all of the game development arm themselves.  One of the developers of TW2 told us here that four people did the writing for the game, then turned around and did the cinematic design for it too.

The part where they're not owned by a mega corporation, I imagine. 

slimgrin wrote...

But I disagree with the cynicism in this thread claiming CDPR's philosophy is only to butter up their fans. Partly, yes it's marketing, but they also back it up with action. They really are a bunch of gamers running a company, all the way up to Iwinski, an active gamer himself. It's not like he came over from Mattel and thought he'd try his hand in the games industry; it's his passion.

I don't think CDPR is 'buttering up' fans, in the sense that they're dishonest. They're very clearly designing games with the core internet echo chambers in mind and using that satisfaction as a launching platform to gather good word-of-mouth for their games, and are trying to hit a sweet spot where their development arm is profitable in what is the typical range of a succesful AAA title this generation, i.e., low millions sold. 

But their rhetoric is clearly targeted to take advantage of the unrest. It's not just about designing games a certain way - it that everyone knows that you're designing games that way and why you're doing it, to create a narrative that leads the fans to relate with the company. 

Which - again - is totally laudable. But it's still a business model. 

[billy the squid]

Zanallen wrote...

Don't forget that they also have the backing of one of the largest publishers in Europe and GOG. That certainly helps. They are basically the Polish Valve.

Really? As I remember it they had their issues with Capcom removing the DRM from TW2, their deal with THQ fell through, obviously, and they are a distributor and publisher of digital software in central EU, rather than a sole games publisher. 

While GoG is precisely that Good old Games. It's a nice platform, but something the size of steam? It's not. And it's limited by the type of games and whether publishers will allow games with no DRM on there.

It's also a privately owned company. Like Valve.

Not entirely sure what point you were trying to make there. What they have done is cleverly capitalised on the resentment against companies like Ubisoft, EA and Capcom, which is rife all over the net, by doing the exact opposite. And it's not simply PR, they have actually delivered on their word, so far. The former companies have that wonderful habit of spinning out a pack of lies, half truths and being flat out obtuse in seeing the issues they create. Hence millions jump ship to get their RPG fix somewhere else, it's the way the markets work. 

[slimgrin]

@ Inexile

I think their game design philosophy and marketing are two different things. They just make the kind of games they want, unhindered by publisher input. We've all heard certain devs complain about this aspect of the industry, Brian Fargo and Sven Vinke come to mind. On whether their rhetoric is taking advantage of gamers or helping their stance, I tend to favor the latter.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 avril 2013 - 11:30 .

[Morroian]

zeypher wrote...

Yup, i hate it when people use BS like sexism to defend their preferred company, when we know bio does use sexism to sell their games as well. Double standards much? or just plain hypocrisy.

Morrigan isn't in a submissive pose in that pic.