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[Metallica93]

Discuss the moral implications of your decision and why you felt another one was immoral.

I think the Catalyst brought up some interesting philosophical topics ("Organics seek perfection through technology. Synthetics seek perfection through understanding."). However, between the Paragon "Control" and "Destroy" options, I chose the latter.

Destroy: Saving organic life at the cost of EDI and the geth. A case can be made to say that both were considered "life" (the geth more so than EDI because of the Reaper 'upgrades'), but I didn't become a Spectre to save synthetics. Not that I'm taking a cold-hearted approach because Legion's death was tragic (he even referred to himself as "I"), but it was a necessary sacrifice, in my mind. Terrible, but necessary. Plus, I felt as if I just put hundreds if not thousands of civilizations to rest. I'm sure Javik approved.

Control (Paragon): Felt like this was more beneficial to the galaxy and was the "second best" ending, but at the cost of Shepard. An organic that transcended what it means to be organic. He'll never die. That's a moral line I couldn't cross.

Refusal: The game focused around the construction and use of the Crucible. It was a beacon of hope because it was our only hope. Not to use it was, in my mind, a death sentence for the advanced civilizations of the galaxy. Not to mention that the decision would just be pushed off onto another cycle in 50,000 years.

[JasonShepard]

Control
Full details behind the decision are in the sig, but the short and long of it is this: My Shepard couldn't make sacrifices.

He knew that this was a weakness, he knew that sacrifices would sometimes be necessary to hold off future risk, but he could never do it. There were advantages to this 'weakness' - he got everyone out of the Suicide Mission alive, he kept Kirrahe alive, he pulled off Geth-Quarian peace, he got a reputation as a peacemaker - but there were downsides too. Balak killed more people after Bring Down the Sky. Rana Thanoptis did some damage. The Rachni Queen got captured and used by the Reapers.

Was Control a mistake? Ultimately, I don't think so. There was too much promise in the Geth-Quarian-cooperation for me to undo it, and I don't think a man that is unable to sacrifice others would be the type to restart the cycles.


The only ending I'd label as morally incorrect is Refuse. Sacrificing the entire galaxy for your own principles... there's just too much to lose. Unless you genuinely believe that The Galaxy can beat the Reapers while suffering less casualties than picking Destroy,  then I cannot agree with you picking Refuse. And if you do believe that, then I want to know what gave you that impression.

Destroy and Synthesis are both justifiable - they are just endings that I would never pick.

Modifié par JasonShepard, 27 avril 2013 - 03:32 .

[Hadeedak]

So just let me say before I begin, every ending has its pluses and minuses.

Control's my favorite. It's simply by the numbers. I'm fascinated with the idea of AI, brain transfer, the difference between man and machine, and a lot of the ideas it raises. I also favor preserving the most diversity and knowledge. I've never liked the "Man is not meant to know such things" stories. I rather found them insulting to our experiences with science. I like the imagery of it. I tend to enjoy heroic sacrifice in my epics, so there's that. And all in all, I just feel good about it.

I also like destroy. Kind of. I hate the side effects, but I admire pragmatism.

Like synthesis just fine. I'm not so sure about "Boink, everyone's part robot now", but I do like a lot of the ideas brought up in it. But I was raised on a steady diet of Asimov stories. So that is not surprising.

Refusal. Idealism to the extreme. I'm not sure about it. There's such a thing as giving up too much to stick to your guns. Also, you're pretty rude to the dude who kind of just saved your life and is offering to save the whole galaxy, up to the point of letting you flat out kill him in two endings, if you just shoot him in his holographic head. Though it's a fair reaction, since it's his fault we're in this mess.

[Wayning_Star]

I spose OP, that I figuratively considered the one choice that works the best, most efficient. The morals are not provided, as this is all in the far fetched future, had no idea what 'moral' to assess those that I couldn't encounter. Realistically. So I approached it surrealistically. Used that trusty Wide Brush.

[KaiserShep]

I made my Shep somewhat ruthless. Regardless of anything, her objective of eradicating the reapers was going to be met.

[Gewehr_fr]

I'll make it short:

Destroy: Necessary sacrifice. Machines that practiced genocide over billions years needs to be destroyed. Galaxy free to choose its own future. Already proved with Geths and Quarians that killing everyone isn't the only way.

Control: Too risky. No control over what the AIshep would become and which "solution" it's gonna come up with. Genocide machines still around and watching over the galaxy.

Synthesis: Eww. Too little information. If inevitable no need to force evolution on everyone. What the hell is gonna happen to the reapers from capital ships, to husks and banshees ? Will they get jobs as shop keepers and babysitters ?

Refuse: Stubborn idealism. Anderson chose the wrong person to save the galaxy.

[Hadeedak]

That being said, I'm not sure if it's Shepard or me. My control Shep-prime, for example, wasn't nearly as squishy and with the feelings and science as I am on it. She just wasn't willing to sacrifice anyone else for her failings (as she saw it), so she grabbed the rods to protect everyone. Period. End of story.

My favorite destroyer is a renegade who played close to her belt, always willing to joke, but never hesitating to pull a trigger if someone was in her way.

And my nifty-keenest synthesizer was a nice lady who genuinely believed the best of everyone.... and was totally broken and weary by the end of ME3. She just wanted to rest. She took the fall, hoping that the people she loved would understand that it was the last good thing she could do for them.

My refuser never compromised his ideals. Over anything. Sometimes, he was a bit renegady -- always a my-way-or-the-highway, we're doing this flat up by the book.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

She was scarred by Mindoir, and she did what had to be done. She blamed herself for her parents' death. She got revenge on Torfan. She is an infiltrator. She moves quietly and takes her targets out at a distance or close with a silenced weapon or blade. She gets the job done. Hates batarians. No peace option on Rannoch? Sided with the Quarians. Kiss it goodbye, Starboy. I LIVE!!!!

[Morlath]

I've played through the trilogy with multiple men, women, paragons, renegades and paragades/renagons and by the time each one gets to the Catalyst decision it's pretty much set in stone as to which one they'll pick.

Some of my Shepards refused to control the Geth during Legion's loyalty mission and this means they won't use the Control option. For the same reason they can't justify the synthesis either. Some of my Shepards are ruthless warriors who either Control and Destroy based on how much of an egomaniac they are. And some are so tired of the death and destruction that they choose Syntheses because they can't bring themselves to pull the trigger one more time.

[Argolas]

All choices are immoral. My Shepard chose Destroy because the chance to end the reaper threat once and for all was unique.

[Chardonney]

My Shep - spacer, war hero - all of them, have always been like 95% paragon and 5% renegade, which basically makes them paragon. And I/they always, always picked destroy, without any hesitation whatsoever. Of course, MEHEM made the choosing unnecessary but still, I/they would never ever even consider control or synthesis. *shudders*

Modifié par Chardonney, 29 avril 2013 - 03:37 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Mission comes first, but he'll try and save as many people as possible along the way. Willing to let bad guys go, unless they've done something truly terrible (Like Jacob's father.) Willing to change his views along the way to save as many as possible, hence why he ended up taking control of the Reapers.

[Auld Wulf]

Synthesis

I am my Shepard, it's the way I roll. As such, the reasoning behind is that galactic understanding and the upgrades of Synthesis will do a lot to bring about an era of peace, prosperity, and empathy. Many people live in the moment, or have trouble even seeing as far as dinner tomorrow. For them, Destroy is a fine option. But if you're looking to the far flung future, centuries from now, and the kind of world you're leaving behind? Then Control and Synthesis are the only two options even worth considering.

I chose Synthesis because it would be a reprieve from the people suffering in the galaxy right now. Backups of people would be granted full sentience (Kasumi), synthetics would have full emotional understanding (EDI and the Geth), people would be cured of what ails them in short order (Joker), the Reapers (victims of the Catalyst) will be freed from their slavery and allowed to choose (thus proving they're benevolent creatures), and the galaxy will be on equal footing.

In a Synthesis future, the differences between two people are delimited by personal choice rather than capability. I can do all that you can do, but I choose to do differently. This is a very attractive concept, because the tyranny of nature is that our different levels of capability make us all struggle to be the top dog, Synthesis overrules the biggest despot we've ever known -- nature.

Many writers have written on posthuman societies and the boons of them more eloquently than I could and it's worth reading them. One such example can be found in my signature, right there, ready to read. We have to push past the impossible and transcend beyond our limitations rather than being bound by stagnation and nature.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

  Cool thread. Here's my entry...


Philosophy:
-- Speak softly and carry a big stick.
-- At some point, the rules are meant to be broken.
-- "Enemies and ego are not as important as loved ones." (thanks Thane)

Ending: Synthesis.

[Lebanese Dude]

An Alliance soldier who did everything he could to unite the races of the galaxy. Time and time again he insisted he was just like everyone else. He always admitted to not being able to do everything himself. He could not have survived this long without the help of his allies.
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He wasn't egotistical enough to assume that his thoughts and viewpoints were necessarily always the right thing.He was influenced time and time again by those around him. He could never control. He could never enforce his or someone's will on others. He would only desire that others will forge their own paths, always remembering the sacrifices that he and AI would have to do to ensure ANY life's continued existence in the Milky Way, free of all outside interference.
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He didn't assume to understand the reapers like TIM. He didn't assume to understand the intent of the Catalyst. He did know that he had originally set out to do one thing and it was to destroy the reaper threat and save everyone he possibly could. 
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He was just an Alliance solider.

Ending: Destroy

Modifié par Lebdood, 29 avril 2013 - 04:13 .

[Galbrant]

Spacer, Sole Survivor,
Believes strength in unity.
Doesn't believe in a no win scenario.
Doesn't respond well to threats or attempts on her life.

Chose Refuse: Catalyst doesn't make any sense everything it says contradicts my experiences and knowledge. Sounds more likely it's trying to kill me which is true for Control and Synthesis. Not willing to betray her friends and allies on a illogical machine that has the capability to indoctrinate. Also falls in line what my Shepard beliefs... well we all know how it turned out. Big Middle finger from Bioware from not choosing it's Copy and pasted Deus Ex Endings.

Destroy: The most appealing of it's offer. It gets the job done... but she broker peace between the Quarians and the Geth finally. Legion sacrifice would have been in vain. A tempting offer... but there is no telling what damage it would do to those who have synthetic implants or the Geth software inside Quarians ships and suits. But it all still requires trust of a cold calculating monster.

Control: Spent 99% of the game telling TIM it was impossible got him to kill himself.... Only to have it possible? Bull@#$% How this is a valid option is inane. After all evidence pointing this was an impossibility.... I am suppose to believe this? Not to mention it allows the Reapers to continues it's insulting existence and I am suppose to kill myself to control them? Nope out of the question Not going to be some kind of space stalin.

Synthesis: It's obvious the little brat wants this.... and it's his perfect solution to everything... turning everything in the galaxy a synthetic organic hybrid. Sounds like Borg talk. His explanations doesn't make sense. Nothing in the game foreshadow this was a possibility. Stills have those evil abominations living and this effectively change all life in the galaxy... Not sure to what extent... but Don't want to find out just incase this is some kind of caucasian Borg assimilation trick.

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So in conclusion.... Don't do the right thing kids... or you're going to get @#$% in the &^$! Where in the hell is the Xbox MEHEM mod!? Wish I could buy a used PC version of this game....

[webhead921]

F*** the police. Destroy those reapers.

[dreamgazer]

Which one?

[Auintus]

Colonist, Sole survivor
Strong supporter of second chances, saved Wrex, Rachni queen, spared Aresh, batarians on Omega...damn near everyone actually, for better or for worse. Made peace on Rannoch. Chose personal beliefs over opinions of others.

Synthesis: Ideal choice. Harvest ended, galactic advancement, made peace with synthetics, recovered data of harvested races.
Control: Next best, still able to defend the galaxy, harvest ended. Able to intervene in almost any conflict.
Destroy: A necessary sacrifice, if not for other options. Harvest ended. Would not choose as long as another option was available.
Refuse: Throwing a hissy fit and quitting. Not an option.

[Hazegurl]

MEHEM Destroy. The crucible scientist built the weapon to kill reapers nothing more and nothing less and they did a fine job. Shep's crew is the best in the galaxy and there is no way they would leave him to die so they did what they do best which is pull my boy out of the fire.

In-game ending Destroy, My Shep has been making sacrifices throughout this entire game and he knows that the well being of one person(EDI) or just one race(Geth) is not enough to keep this thing and its killer machines alive. They must go so that the galaxy can be free. Sadly he is accepting the aid of a reaper in one form but to kill the reapers he will take a chance and whatever fall back that may come.

Control and Synthesis are endings I would never pick for a canon ending. He's not there to be the leader of the reapers and he's not going to lose himself and become like the illogical piece of reaper shyt that was talking to him and he sure as hell don't want to die to help the reapers achieve their goal, evolution will happen on its own when we are ready for it. Good bye reapers.

[Steelcan]

My canon, Thomas Shepard, Earthborn, Ruthless. Tends renegade.

Main Ending: Destroy

My Shepard is at his core a man who gets the job done, not necessarily elegantly or in a way that endears him to people, but there's no arguing with his results. He is disillusioned with both the Council and the Alliance after the Reaper threat is ignored and resolves to do what he has to in order to stop them. This has lead to some of his more questionable actions, sacrificing the workers on Zorya does haunt him a bit, despite his own reasonings for why he had to do it. However, despite his icy demeanor to many other people, he grows close to his crew, but he never allows himself to become too entangled in their affairs. He lets people sort out their own problems, unless they could affect him in which case he intervenes.

He is also much more likely to rely on his own experiences than what others tell him. This makes him reject what the Catalyst tells him about the nature of organic/synthetic conflict. He believes that organics have progressed to the point where we don't need to fear synthetics. He Destroys the Reapers without a second thought. He later regrets that EDI died as well, but it isn't too concerning for him. He set the galaxy free from their meddling and wholeheartedly believes it will be a brighter future.

Second Choice: Control
My Shepard has a definitive pro-human streak in him, and he is wholeheartedly in support of Cerberus's goals. He regrets that they are now his enemy, but still maintains his pro-human outlook. Not to say that he is anti-alien, he just wants to look out for humanity. He sees Control as the ultimate power grab, and he finds it very enticing. Ultimately he resists because he does not want to lose that connection to he rest of the galaxy.

Synthesis and Refuse are right out for him. He would see Refuse as nothing short of choking at the last second. He didnt hesitate to destroy the Alpha Relay, he didnt hesitate to kill the geth, and he didnt hesitate to save the CB. Refuse is just counter to everything he has fought for. He may sympathize with its sentiment, but the ultimate "f-u" to the Reapers is thirty paces and a thermal clip away.

Synthesis is just nonsense wearing the guide of science fiction. He rejects it as necessary and isn't willing to force that change on so many people.

[Cainhurst Crow]

90% paragon, so a neutral good guy with a few instances of evil here and there, becasue he wasn't afraid to punch a man in the face if he deserved it.

[M74]

Moral justification: What type of person was your Shepard?

He was a jerk - portrayed as such because of intentionally or unwillingly bad story writing.

[AlanC9]

Galbrant wrote...


Chose Refuse: Catalyst doesn't make any sense everything it says contradicts my experiences and knowledge. Sounds more likely it's trying to kill me which is true for Control and Synthesis. Not willing to betray her friends and allies on a illogical machine that has the capability to indoctrinate. Also falls in line what my Shepard beliefs... well we all know how it turned out. Big Middle finger from Bioware from not choosing it's Copy and pasted Deus Ex Endings.

Do you mean that your Shepard believed the galaxy would win without the Crucible? Or that she believed it was better to lose than to win with the Crucible?

Modifié par AlanC9, 29 avril 2013 - 06:31 .

[Mr.House]

A woman doing her job and doing whatever it took.